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Flanno absolutely couldn't pick up Campbell. He would have left a gap down our left you could steer an oil tanker down. He had to hold his position. Allen needed to get his arse back and Gerrard needed to get closer to Campbell. There is no threat in the space SG is holding.
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Coupled with the fact the back four need to shift across to support Flanagan and cover the gaps.
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just on the this rule where you have to leave the field of play after receiving treatment . It's been driving me mad for years now how badly it is applied . i'm guessing it was introduced to discourage time wasting which is fair enough in that case . But too often it punishes a team who have been wronged against . An opposition player takes your player down with a shocking tackle , concedes a free or pen and maybe is even sent off. Your set piece specialist receives treatment and is then sent off the pitch . He's not allowed to take the pen or free kick as they are never allowed straight back on . it's ridiculous . you have done nothing wrong yet are hindered by the rule .
Now obviously i'm glad it worked in our favour yesterday but i still don't understand why cardiff should be forced to play with 9 men when they did nothing wrong. Injuries are part of the game but the way it is teams are punished for suffering them . The rule needs to allow more common sense and not always force a player off no matter the situation.
Now obviously i'm glad it worked in our favour yesterday but i still don't understand why cardiff should be forced to play with 9 men when they did nothing wrong. Injuries are part of the game but the way it is teams are punished for suffering them . The rule needs to allow more common sense and not always force a player off no matter the situation.
Its all about communication. Flanno wanted Gerrard to pick up Campbell. Had Flanno done that he would given their winger space on the left. To be fair how much of a threat would their winger have been had he got the ball?
They all blamed Flanno afterwards but my original point was that they shared the responsibility for that goal. It wasn't all Agger's fault.
They all blamed Flanno afterwards but my original point was that they shared the responsibility for that goal. It wasn't all Agger's fault.
They had 8 men in the box. 7 outfield players covering 6 of our players. Shouldn't be too hard. The problem was their marking.
Having 2 players on the sideline is just an excuse.
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yeah ok in that case maybe . They did have 2 on skrtel and neither prevented him from winning the header . But hey maybe those two would have allowed them to use someone on the post who would have easily stopped that , it had placement but little power .
anyway my main point was about the rule in general .
Was watching the clip of our goal again - come to think of it, I wonder if it was Suarez's ploy to rile Mendel and create the bit of fracas in the box as the teams were setting up for the corner, so as to confuse their re-organization. Wouldn't put it past him to do something cunning like that. He does what it takes to win. 🙂
The rule is a bit iffy, but like you said its in in place in order stop players from feigning injury.
I also believe its their to keep the game from stalling.
Of course it's unfortunate to have two players out. Mutch got hit in the groin area, its not like you can massage the pain away. He didn't need to get treatment.
The defending when he picked up Campbell average imo.
It was but it's always difficult to defend when a player is coming at you with pace. Also you're a afraid of putting a tackle in considering that you're in the box.
He could have done better.
That part is true - but in that situation, it's best to force them one way ... had he forced him to the side for a shot, likelihood he doesn't score. Skrtel wasn't great too if I remember correctly in coming over. A perfect 'lesson' for many players of why concentration and defending as a unit is so key to stopping opportunities like this.
Flanno had no fault? He gave the ball away cheaply several times, got skinned with ease and looked unfocused.
Yeah he was caught out and could have gotten more help from Allen. But that doesnt change the fact that you should be able to do some basic defending.
He's been excellent this season but he was crap yesterday.
Yeah he was caught out and could have gotten more help from Allen. But that doesnt change the fact that you should be able to do some basic defending.
He's been excellent this season but he was crap yesterday.
As a FB you don't leave an open route for a winger. Had he done that we'd be castigating him, and rightly so. It was Gerrard's job to pick Campbell up, and that's that.
The only players who can really see it 'all' unfolding are Agger and Skrtel. They should be communicating, or fucking screaming, to Flanno and SG who have been pulled out of position slightly, but no communication = opened up. I hate how quiet our CB's are.
Aah, cheers. Just saw the goals and Flanno is at fault aswell imho. Of the two Cardiff players close to Flanno Campbell is the biggest threat. You always want to try and push teams to attack you on the outside.
Gerrard is in nomansland, the backline is to low as Rodgers said at FT and Flanno could be closer to his centre back.
The situation was entirely manageable even when Agger was left one on one with Campbell. What all Modo's pictures don't show you is how Agger got caught flat-footed when Cmapbell squared up to him in the box.
Really average positioning. Just flat-footed, on his heels, and Campbell waltzes to the side of him. Agger had the goal blocked one second, and then couldn't even get close to making a fucking block a second later.
I've lost count of the amount of goals he's been directly 100% at fault for. He's a really really poor defender.
Yah - I've said that he made it far far too easy for Campbell (though Skrtel reacted very slowly to it too - coming over).
Oh, and by the way, half the problem came from the two centre backs being much too deep. Gerrard's positioning was good, it's just that Agg and Skert were too far behind him, leaving not only the gap for Campbell to pick up the ball in, but also time and space for him to turn and run at Agger.
Flanno defending far to wide on the second goal. Agger cant leave the middle... no midfielders would pick up a run in there. Anyway, our defence get far to much stick. Yesterday their mission were to not let in more than five and they managed that one easily 🙂
Exactly. I found it a bit of a lazy commentary on this incident during the game.
WATCH THE GOAL. When the ball is played in, Skrtel has three of their players around him, they get lax and all move away from him. That's not our fault.
THIS all day. Agger at that point, turns like a steam train, and as you point out, within a second, he goes from holding the player up, to being turned and a yard off the pace. He's not within touching distance, after having a significant starting position.
I've made the point before that Agger is a terrible defender. Decent center back because he brings a more "cultured" quality to our back line, but as an individual defender he leaves a lot to be desired.
I would say the second goal was as good of an example of that as any. There's an argument to be made that he should've done better on their first goal as well.
I would say the second goal was as good of an example of that as any. There's an argument to be made that he should've done better on their first goal as well.
Flanagan got caught too wide because there was no one infront of him. People might say the same of Johnson, but he has the fortune of having Henderson who's natural inkling is to cover the wide right and central right areas of the pitch, so the protection is always there. We asked Allen to do the same and he's not as natural at playing that role over on the left, which is why Gerrard was constantly dragged over too. The alarm bells were there early on against United. It's one of the flaws of our otherwise effective diamond formation.
Flanagan's got a whole flank infront of him. If he tucks into the centre more to play as a flat back four, then he's basically looking up the pitch and hemming himself in with two players infront of him. Instead he's trying to press higher but leaving a gap as a consequence, with no protection infront and a centre back who's uncomfortable getting dragged out from his "zone", in Agger.
It needs addressing because it's clearly an issue, and against a side like City or Chelsea, he might get crucified. We're trying to shoehorn players again to accommodate Sturridge AND Suarez upfront, we need to show that flexibility when there are issues like this and give players more protection, or try someone else. He's doing brilliantly, but you could see why Rodgers went for Cissokho's athleticism late on, despite his obvious deficiencies.
Agger was awful. People are blaming Flanagan because he'd made a couple of mistakes earlier on and they'd already decided that the narrative of the match would be that he'd had a bad game.
Don't be silly Gene, when Agger plays we keep clean sheets, dontchaknow.
Funny how how it's always the same typical posters who marvel at any defender who can show a bit of technique, who are the same ones who can't wait to lay into a more industrious, and in this case, homegrown lad. Same with Skrtel for the third goal, I saw him getting blamed entirely for that, despite the fact he was picking up two players while Johnson and Agger were as cumbersome as ever.
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