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Pre Match - Everton (H) - PL - Sun 16:30

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Ref watch regarding the Gordan/Matip penalty incident.

DERMOT SAYS:
"I think it's an on-field decision - the referee has to make this decision. There's an arm on the shoulder, there's no doubt about that, and he goes down. I think they get tangled up.

"The referee is really clever because he doesn't make an instant decision. If you look at him, he knows it's a big decision, and he almost runs it through, gives himself time and makes his decision.
"On that basis, it has to be his call, There's no point throwing to VAR because you can't say the referee has made a clear and obvious error because he has thought it through so much.
"I'd have gone with my gut reaction. I thought it was a penalty first, but when I saw it again, I wasn't convinced. It was a little bit too theatrical, the way he [Gordon] went down. He went down too easily for me so if I had gone to the screen, I would've stuck with no penalty.
"They [the referees] have a threshold of 'is there enough [contact] to give a penalty'. They didn't think it covered the threshold. It has to be Stuart's call, not anyone else."
 
On a tactical note, the organised chaos of our 4-2-4 after the changes worked pretty well.

I like how we swap to 4 upfront, they seemed to all readjust without getting in the way of each other. It’s almost like they spend hours on the training ground preparing for it 😉 when required.
 
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But failed professional footballer and ex celebrity big brother contestant Jamie O'Hara claims it was a stonewall penalty!

I just don't know who to trust anymore
I've figured out that Jamie and the rest just make up shit to rile up fans and have them call in. I'm surprised that he can say that shit with a straight face.
 
I've figured out that Jamie and the rest just make up shit to rile up fans and have them call in. I'm surprised that he can say that shit with a straight face.
He wasn't even on a call in! He was covering the match on sky sports news the mad fucker
 
Ref watch regarding the Gordan/Matip penalty incident.

DERMOT SAYS:
"I think it's an on-field decision - the referee has to make this decision. There's an arm on the shoulder, there's no doubt about that, and he goes down. I think they get tangled up.

"The referee is really clever because he doesn't make an instant decision. If you look at him, he knows it's a big decision, and he almost runs it through, gives himself time and makes his decision.
"On that basis, it has to be his call, There's no point throwing to VAR because you can't say the referee has made a clear and obvious error because he has thought it through so much.
"I'd have gone with my gut reaction. I thought it was a penalty first, but when I saw it again, I wasn't convinced. It was a little bit too theatrical, the way he [Gordon] went down. He went down too easily for me so if I had gone to the screen, I would've stuck with no penalty.
"They [the referees] have a threshold of 'is there enough [contact] to give a penalty'. They didn't think it covered the threshold. It has to be Stuart's call, not anyone else."
It's the fact Gordon steps clearly across Matip which causes the contact which does it for me, no pen the right call.
 
It is karma and poetic justice rolled into a fat spliff.
Gordon dives quite a lot - that is what you get.
 
Carragher was saying it was a stonewall penalty for the push in the back by Matip while Gordon claimed it was a penalty because his foot was stood on.
I wish they could agree what the actual foul was.
#JoelMaTrip should be trending on twitter
 
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It's the fact Gordon steps clearly across Matip which causes the contact which does it for me, no pen the right call.
If that was Salah, we'd have said he earned the right to step in front by using his pace and was 'shielding the ball'. He doesn't have to allow Matip a clear path to the ball.

Get the tints off.

I said yesterday it was a 50/50. If it was given no chance VAR overturns it. At that time I hadn't seen Matip stand on Gordon's foot.

Sorry, for me you can't stand on feet regardless of accidental or not.

In isolation the ref got that wrong, it should have been given.

However, there was constant shithousery from Everton who got what they deserved in the end. Nothing.
 
BBC MOTD 2 showed 2 different angles on the foot being stood, one with Gordon who seems to step on Matip and another way around. Wasn’t conclusive was their take away.
 
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Thats optics. Matip is still standing on Gordon on that picture. Look at it closely. Would have been clearer if they were wearing different colour boots.

Gordon's foot is planted on the grass.

That was from MOTD analysis, on that freeze frame Matip foot has landed but Gordon’s was yet to land but as I said, on another angle it was other way around.
Either way, it wasn’t conclusive for me enough to give it plus Gordon is a diving twat so crying wolf didn’t help his case. Something for him to learn from… in the championship next season…
 
That was from MOTD analysis, on that freeze frame Matip foot has landed but Gordon’s was yet to land but as I said, on another angle it was other way around.
Either way, it wasn’t conclusive for me enough to give it plus Gordon is a diving twat so crying wolf didn’t help his case. Something for him to learn from… in the championship next season…
It's just a quirk of the frames. Zoom in you'll see it's the other way around.

Gordon's foot is the one landed and Matips toe is pointing up.

I'm not saying Everton deserved anything. I'm just saying 'be better'. By saying it wasn't conclusive is something I'd expect from the Fume or the Bitters if it was against them.
 
It's just a quirk of the frames. Zoom in you'll see it's the other way around.

Gordon's foot is the one landed and Matips toe is pointing up.

I'm not saying Everton deserved anything. I'm just saying 'be better'. By saying it wasn't conclusive is something I'd expect from the Fume or the Bitters if it was against them.

Not sure what optics you are on about from the zoom but I see it as I described. just go and watch of MOTD 2 it’s on Iplayer. They show both angles IIRC.

It’s not fume to say it’s not conclusive, it’s not something I would have given whether for us or against them. For e.g. thought the penalty for Nunez against Van Dijk was “more” a pen. It’s not about being better, I just don’t see it as enough for a pen with all the context as above.
Anyway, just my opinion and that’s on a day later review. Ref had only a second to review.
 
Lampard's claptrap about the penalty that never was. Just both players going hell for leather with Gordon going down after he feels contact.Gordon had already dived early on when he threw himself over after Nabby hardly touched him.

Cheap attempt at distraction from being in bottom 3. Pillock.
 
Not sure what optics you are on about from the zoom but I see it as I described. just go and watch of MOTD 2 it’s on Iplayer. They show both angles IIRC.

It’s not fume to say it’s not conclusive, it’s not something I would have given whether for us or against them. For e.g. thought the penalty for Nunez against Van Dijk was “more” a pen. It’s not about being better, I just don’t see it as enough for a pen with all the context as above.
Anyway, just my opinion and that’s on a day later review. Ref had only a second to review.
Sweet jesus.. you are doing the exact thing you accused Froggy of doing a week or so ago.

I agree with you that it 'looks' on first instance that it looks like Gordon steps on Matip on 'that' angle.

However, due to frames per second and resolution. Something that Frogfish coincidently is an expert on. Its just a quirk.

If you zoom right in, you can see the full outline of Gordon's leg.

Matip is standing on Gordon.
 
Sweet jesus.. you are doing the exact thing you accused Froggy of doing a week or so ago.

I agree with you that it 'looks' on first instance that it looks like Gordon steps on Matip on 'that' angle.

However, due to frames per second and resolution. Something that Frogfish coincidently is an expert on. Its just a quirk.

If you zoom right in, you can see the full outline of Gordon's leg.

Matip is standing on Gordon.

Ok again this is becoming rather personal. Let’s chill dude. Wasn’t initially aimed at you anyway.

Regardless of it being penalty or not, the zoom I attached was Matip foot first landed, Gordon foot in air. Matip foot is bigger, apparently 30cm according to google, smaller foot is Gordon’s.
I’m not disagreeing on another angle disapproving that because I think I seen that on MoTd too. Was just saying how difficult it’s to make the decision for the ref even with all this.
 
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