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Remedies

He thoroughly deserved his yellow yesterday but he was covering their left back when it happened. Who should’ve been someone else’s man. He was then on a final warning because the ref fell for a dive.

It seems there is a low bar to book Bradley. You see others get nothing whereas Bradley gets a yellow.

What else is helping neither right back is they don’t get 90 minutes. How are they meant to get match fit or sharp without games.
Nah. Bradley's Yellow was entirely necessary - the ball had already gone FFS when he continued on with his fouling (after being fouled but that's besides the point). It was petulant and stupid. Just get on with the game.

Ref. didn't fall for a dive - he caught him and you can see the way Bradley walked quietly away he knew he'd caught him. He was lucky.
 
It might sound daft, because we feel like we're playing so shite, but we really aren't far from clicking. We have such a strong squad and i think on each of the losses our xg is significantly higher than our opposition. It was yesterday.
Agree. We are close. It will come the more the players integrate and become accustomed to their new team mates.
He was rightly hailed as a tactical genius last year with multiple half time tweaks doing the business. Feyenoord fans eulogised over his tactical acumen when he left them. Slot is (at least) the 3rd member of the team stinking the place out and he needs to get a fucking grip.
Slot is also adjusting to the new players he has at his discretion. He also needs to find out how best to put this jigsaw puzzle together and how best they will work with each other. He'll make mistakes (as he did yesterday) but I can absolutely give him that time - he's earned it.
 
The simplest remedy is to stop giving the ball away; to stop passes behind players, instead of in their stride: to stop trying to play through balls where there is no space.

These are simple things that are currently hard and allow teams to counter and score with ease.

More repetition; more familiarity with each other; more fitness; and, less being stupid will go a long way.

No need to entirely reinvent the way we play.
 
I would have though it obvious that Mo in particular and the whole team in general are missing a certain player at right back but I'm not sure what the remedy is for his absence.
 
I would have though it obvious that Mo in particular and the whole team in general are missing a certain player at right back but I'm not sure what the remedy is for his absence.

I don't think that's particularly true. If Trent was still here everyone would just be identifying him as the basic problem as he got run at all day.
 
I don't think that's particularly true. If Trent was still here everyone would just be identifying him as the basic problem as he got run at all day.
He's not playing for Liverpool any more yet his replacements are also getting run at all day with seemingly at least equal success
 
Jonathan Wilson just wrote about this very topic:

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It’s not a crisis, not yet, but Liverpool’s run of three defeats in a row is reason to take stock. It’s true that the two league games in that run were both lost via last-minute winners, and that in isolation these three games could be explained away relatively easily. But context matters, and the truth is that while Liverpool won their first five league games of the season, they did not play well in them.

New players are struggling to settle and Arne Slot’s rejig of the formation has not really worked, while a number of regulars look out of sorts. Last season Liverpool won the league playing extremely controlled soccer, making 2-0 almost a trademark scoreline, establishing their lead and then running the clock down. This season there has been none of that, no sense of playing within themselves. They’ve been extremely open through midfield and most of their wins have come through late goals. There’s been an unexpected wildness to them, almost as though Slot is going through his transition a season late.

Introducing any new player to a side is fraught with potential issues. The player has to learn their environment and their teammates have to get used to them. Even in the best cases, dropping a new player into a functioning side will lead to a slight short-term drop-off. Liverpool avoided that last summer by signing only Federico Chiesa. Adding five new players, as they did this offseason, means a lot of disruption. And, of course, this is a squad dealing with the tragic loss of Diogo Jota. Mohamed Salah’s on-pitch tears after the final whistle of the opening game of the season were a reminder that this is a club in mourning. Soccer keeps going, as it must, but the impact of Jota’s death is unpredictable and may be felt for a long time yet.

At first it seemed the biggest tactical problem was the switch from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1 to accommodate Florian Wirtz as a central creator. The balance given by a central trio of Ryan Gravenberch, Alexis Mac Allister and Dominik Szoboszlai was gone, not helped by the fact that Mac Allister still doesn’t quite seem back to his best after a muscle injury, while Wirtz is yet to settle. But in recent games, Slot has returned to last season’s trio, switching back to 4-3-3, and many of the same problems have remained. Liverpool’s centre-backs keep being isolated, a situation exacerbated by Ibrahima Konaté’s loss of form.

So what has changed? Why isn’t the centre-back pairing and midfield three that were so effective last season suddenly functioning? The answer is twofold. First, Liverpool’s press has stopped working as it once did. The 2020-21 season, in which Liverpool finished a distant third to Manchester City, offers a warning of what happens when that misfires. Second, and more intriguingly, new full-backs Miloš Kerkez and Jeremie Frimpong are very different from Andy Robertson and Trent Alexander-Arnold.

English soccer struggled to understand Alexander-Arnold. As a youth player he had been a midfielder and his gifts were those of somebody who would usually play in midfield. He is arguably the best passer of a ball currently playing for England, which is what led many to argue that he was wasted at full-back, and that he should be used in midfield. Attempts to play him there, though, were unconvincing, as though his years on the right of a back four had somehow rendered him unsuitable for a more central role.

And yet he wasn’t a particularly good defender, at least if that is defined in the traditional way. He wasn’t great at marking, and he was, by the standards of top-level full-backs, relatively easy to dribble past. He is sui generis, which is one of the reasons he has never really looked convincing while playing for England. International soccer, given the lack of time available to coaches, prefers plug-in-and-play footballers, right-backs who play like right-backs.

But Alexander-Arnold has two attributes that Liverpool are severely missing at the moment. His rapid and accurate 30- and 40-yard passes were often what released Salah, but his passing generally was central to Liverpool’s buildup play. Probably even more important, though, was his capacity to invert into midfield, to become an additional holding player alongside Gravenberch. Frimpong, who was a wing-back at Bayer Leverkusen, is a very different sort of full-back. He runs with the ball rather than passing it, and his natural inclination is to go on the outside not the inside. Given Salah wants to cut inside, that may work eventually. But for now, Liverpool are missing both the balance Alexander-Arnold brought and his capacity to unleash Salah, who has had a very quiet start to the season and is yet to forge a relationship with any of the new forwards.

Any side making as many changes as Liverpool will inevitably have teething problems, but what is notable at the moment is that the issue is less the players who are there than one who has left. Alexander-Arnold’s unique range of abilities will not easily be replaced.
 
I rate and defended Trent, probably more than most, more than he defended, for that matter.

I think the only difference if Trent was in, is that he'd be getting blamed more for the same shit happening, and maybe he'd have an assist. That's it.

The players on the pitch that are missing in action are far more impactful than the ones we no longer have on the pitch, but of those, it'd be Diaz.
 
Jonathan Wilson just wrote about this very topic:

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But Alexander-Arnold has two attributes that Liverpool are severely missing at the moment. His rapid and accurate 30- and 40-yard passes were often what released Salah, but his passing generally was central to Liverpool’s buildup play. Probably even more important, though, was his capacity to invert into midfield, to become an additional holding player alongside Gravenberch. Frimpong, who was a wing-back at Bayer Leverkusen, is a very different sort of full-back. He runs with the ball rather than passing it, and his natural inclination is to go on the outside not the inside. Given Salah wants to cut inside, that may work eventually. But for now, Liverpool are missing both the balance Alexander-Arnold brought and his capacity to unleash Salah, who has had a very quiet start to the season and is yet to forge a relationship with any of the new forwards.
That's a pretty poor analysis considering Frimpong has hardly played (only 79' in the PL). So obviously I don't agree with him at all.
 
That's my point.
And my point was that Mo in particular is missing the attacking qualities that Trent brought to the team. That ball down the line for Mo to run onto led to many goals.
I also agree with your point. The fact that other teams continue to attack the right side despite Trent no longer being there seems to indicate that perhaps he wasn't the total cause of the problem.
 
And my point was that Mo in particular is missing the attacking qualities that Trent brought to the team. That ball down the line for Mo to run onto led to many goals.
I also agree with your point. The fact that other teams continue to attack the right side despite Trent no longer being there seems to indicate that perhaps he wasn't the total cause of the problem.
Simplistically, you get past the right back, you have Konate to beat. You get past the left back you're up against Virgil. I think we all know which odds attackers will prefer.
 
Simplistically, you get past the right back, you have Konate to beat. You get past the left back you're up against Virgil. I think we all know which odds attackers will prefer.
That muppet Troy Deeney has come out and said that. You just don’t bother going near Virgil.
 
And my point was that Mo in particular is missing the attacking qualities that Trent brought to the team. That ball down the line for Mo to run onto led to many goals.
I also agree with your point. The fact that other teams continue to attack the right side despite Trent no longer being there seems to indicate that perhaps he wasn't the total cause of the problem.
He was in part as our eyes could plainly see - and the other half of the problem is still there.
 
Maybe 3 players on right side are at fault and left side 2 are problem too with Cody and Kerkez, would it not indicate fundamentally it's not just the players but the system is also at fault and not just it's individual components?
 
Yeah, the system was good when we had a Trent and a Salah, but without Trent, we either need to find a player who is as good at moving the ball, or can handle more defensively, or find another way to use Salah. And I think we might be stuck with the last option, as I don't think Bradley or Frimpong are near being the the answer to the first two options.
 
We have problems all over the pitch at the moment but the midfield often seems to escape criticism, which is sometimes strange to me because it's not that good and / or the balance is off.

This is another problem that - for me - goes back to last season.

The midfield is often MIA both in and out of possession, at least in the tougher games when we're struggling. If we consider the midfield the engine room of the team then the fact that we often struggle to control games, maintain possession well and press effectively should raise wider questions. Yes, there are mitigating factors that we're all aware of but still.

It's interesting to note that we're all lamenting the lack of a pacey forward and the loss of what Diaz gave us an option but one of the reasons that is so noticeable is because our build up play and ability to keep the ball is so fucking awful that we need a player that can just get us out of our own half a lot of the time.

In the summer I wanted a striker, a pacey forward, a midfielder (to compete with Gravy) and if poss, a CB. We prioritised different things and hopefully it works out in the medium to long-term but in the short-term, I'm interested to see if / how Slot fixes this.
 
In the summer I wanted a striker, a pacey forward, a midfielder (to compete with Gravy) and if poss, a CB. We prioritised different things and hopefully it works out in the medium to long-term but in the short-term, I'm interested to see if / how Slot fixes this.
Did we? We got a striker (Isak) a pacey forward (sort of and tricky) in Ekitike and a midfielder to compete with Gravy wouldn't see him on the pitch at the same time - he'd be a replacement for matches where he'd be rested (in effect a replacement for Endo). The CB was an 'if poss', well we tried. I'm not sure we got a lot different to your 'wish list' which was effectively two starters !

We can moan about not getting this or that player perhaps but we got damn near everything on most people's wish lists (2 x strikers, AM, 2 x FBs) and we brought in our ace backup Keeper.

I'm going to keep banging this drum : Macca, Konate and Salah are way off form/fitness and Isak is obviously unfit. I just can't see how any team could come together until those three/four pull their collective fingers out/regain fitness. I don't see that it's got much at all to do with the players we did/didn't buy per se.
 
Did we? We got a striker (Isak) a pacey forward (sort of and tricky) in Ekitike and a midfielder to compete with Gravy wouldn't see him on the pitch at the same time - he'd be a replacement for matches where he'd be rested (in effect a replacement for Endo). The CB was an 'if poss', well we tried. I'm not sure we got a lot different to your 'wish list' which was effectively two starters !

I'm going to keep banging this drum : Macca, Konate and Salah are way off form/fitness and Isak is obviously unfit. I just can't see how any team could come together until those three/four pull their collective fingers out/regain fitness. I don't see that it's got much at all to do with the players we did/didn't buy per se.

Your argument appears to be predicated that we did the best we could. We got a lot of work done but as I've said before, I think our priorities were a little out of whack and were it up to me, I'd have bought differently.

So fundamentally, we just disagree.

As things stand, we're *still* a Gravy injury away from having a completely non-functional midfield Macca or no Macca. Having another midfielder that is more defensive minded gives us a) the ability to rotate and b) the ability to play a double pivot, which who knows, might provide more stability.

Right now our options in midfield - with Macca not really an option - are limited to Jones and Endo, neither of whom are good enough. So we're in a position where we have to play Szobo and Gravy in every game.

I expect we'll sort it out next summer and also buy a pacey wide player as well. I just think we've made things hard for ourselves in the short-term and given that we've signed up Salah for another year and bought Isak for a premium, that's a shame, but hey, I really really hope Slot manages to bring it all together beautifully and we win something this year.
 
Your argument appears to be predicated that we did the best we could. We got a lot of work done but as I've said before, I think our priorities were a little out of whack and were it up to me, I'd have bought differently.

So fundamentally, we just disagree.

As things stand, we're *still* a Gravy injury away from having a completely non-functional midfield Macca or no Macca. Having another midfielder that is more defensive minded gives us a) the ability to rotate and b) the ability to play a double pivot, which who knows, might provide more stability.

Right now our options in midfield - with Macca not really an option - are limited to Jones and Endo, neither of whom are good enough. So we're in a position where we have to play Szobo and Gravy in every game.

I expect we'll sort it out next summer and also buy a pacey wide player as well. I just think we've made things hard for ourselves in the short-term and given that we've signed up Salah for another year and bought Isak for a premium, that's a shame, but hey, I really really hope Slot manages to bring it all together beautifully and we win something this year.

After our PSG defeat, the message in the press was how much Slot was impressed by PSG and their attackers, and that he felt that should be the template for our summer. Based on that, I was thinking our summer outlay will be on polyvalent, pacy, technical attackers and dribblers, who can play on the wing and upfront and interchange positions during the game. We seemed to have spent a lot of money on players who don't fit that model.
 
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