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The reason we are talking about his family not being here is because he's losing games. He needs to start winning games or his family will be doing an ange.

Its entirely possible that the smartest bit of planning in the whole thing was not fucking up his kids academics and home life for a gig that lasts under 2 years.

He's never really looked to impose himself on the club with his personality like other managers. Not even talking like klopp. He's very much not a manager in the sense that I understand it, like he isn't trying to be the leader of Liverpool.
 
The reason we are talking about his family not being here is because he's losing games. He needs to start winning games or his family will be doing an ange.

Its entirely possible that the smartest bit of planning in the whole thing was not fucking up his kids academics and home life for a gig that lasts under 2 years.

He's never really looked to impose himself on the club with his personality like other managers. Not even talking like klopp. He's very much not a manager in the sense that I understand it, like he isn't trying to be the leader of Liverpool.
But if you have doubts about your longevity, at a club likes ours where the average stint is more than 2 years, along with riding last seasons wave of success and goodwill - with your children having completed their studies….this summer was the perfect time.

What does that tell the wider group around him? Players, coaches etc….”not sure this is gonna work out lads so I’m keeping my family at arms length from my career”

That’s just not sustainable, he’ll have needed his family last night.
 
But if you have doubts about your longevity, at a club likes ours where the average stint is more than 2 years, along with riding last seasons wave of success and goodwill - with your children having completed their studies….this summer was the perfect time.

What does that tell the wider group around him? Players, coaches etc….”not sure this is gonna work out lads so I’m keeping my family at arms length from my career”

That’s just not sustainable, he’ll have needed his family last night.

Yeah, and they'll have needed him at various times?

I just think this gig either miraculously functions with him being the first Liverpool technocrat head coach, or it probably doesn't and the best long term choice in the whole affair is his family not coming over.
 
Yeah, and they'll have needed him at various times?

I just think this gig either miraculously functions with him being the first Liverpool technocrat head coach, or it probably doesn't and the best long term choice in the whole affair is his family not coming over.
With respect, that is the worst choice.

A job like this requires full commitment. It’s not a hit and hope, it’s literally what will define his career.
 
Yeah, and they'll have needed him at various times?

I just think this gig either miraculously functions with him being the first Liverpool technocrat head coach, or it probably doesn't and the best long term choice in the whole affair is his family not coming over.
If they needed him, might it not make sense to be close to him?

Unless of course I misunderstand and his wife is the bread winner in their family?
 
There's not any one thing or solution, because we're mostly shit across the pitch, but if if had to prioritise anything, it's the defensive structure. Start with reducing the number of goals we're conceding before we worry too much about the attack. I don't think that necessarily means huge personal changes, bar maybe dropping Salah and Mac Allister, but a shift in approach from the manager. Watching Arsenal players sprinting back to get every man behind the ball against Fulham to protect a lead was in stark contrast to us. I could also do with VVD offering some fucking leadership and instructive coaching on the pitch rather than whinging and crying any time he has to do something.

I'd be asking Jones to replicate what Wijnanlum used to do. Just maintain possession, work hard and cover gaps. He also has the technical ability to not fuck something up every 2 or 3 actions, which many of this team currently lack. I was far from wowed by Frimpong's RW performance, and seeing him live gave me loads of doubts about him, but at least he'll get back, and rapidly, too. Maybe Wirtz can also find a home there, but it would take Slot to find his balls and start dropping, or at least rotating Salah.

-------------------Marma--------------
----Bradley--Konate--VVD------Robbo---
---------------Grav----Jones---------------
-------------------Szobo-------------------
---Frimpong-----Ekitike-------Wirtz/Gakpo

We're way better than this, but we required a reset that was supposed to come during the international break. To put in the same type of bullshit performance, again, against our most hated rivals, at home, was beyond disappointing from all involved. We just need to get back to basics and stop acting like we're the defending champions that don't need to earn the right to play, stop acting like that a last-minute goal is inevitable, and take some pride in gaining a clean sheet.
 
You misunderstand what’s important mate….

What? Winning bread?

He just needs to win games, if he doesn't they all be together soon enough.

I agree that I prefer the traditional idea of a manager whose family is integrated into the city, but if your kids were 17 when you started, I am not shocked that hasn't happened.
 
Drop Salah. Isak a bench player until fully fit. Macca dropped for wirtz.

Anything else is just slot being a fucking idiot.

This season should have been the slow dropping of Salah so we can plan long term. He's started like a bin fire so it should be easier to take him out

But we won't

As slot has no other ideas.

I'm terrified Salah did was Suarez didn't, and now we've kept a manager who isn't right
 
Sure, but it does not appear clear what Slot's ideas are.
You could even start doubting if he himself knows, as he is not playing to the strengths of the squad he has.

Well, Slot's had a huge influx of new players to fit into the squad, quite a few of whom came for big money and aren't likely to react well to not being played, so I'm not surprised he's still learning about them and about how best to combine them. That was always going to happen.

Nor do I have a problem with not being able to summarise Slot's ideas in a snappy phrase or two. On the contrary, IMO the whole idea of "identity" is massively overemphasised nowadays. I want my club's manager to look (a) at the resources at his disposal and (b) at whom we're up against from game to game, then design our approach to each game around those two things. If you start from the idea that you need an "identity" to live up to, you end up with Ange.
 
What? Winning bread?

He just needs to win games, if he doesn't they all be together soon enough.

I agree that I prefer the traditional idea of a manager whose family is integrated into the city, but if your kids were 17 when you started, I am not shocked that hasn't happened.
And just how does he win games? He needs his coaching staff to believe in his vision and execute it.

He needs his players to invest the hard yards in that vision too.

How does he do that when he can’t even sell it to his own family?

He has a tough day like yesterday, he needs those guys around him…helping him, no good man is an island. They reinvigorate him, remind him of who he is….this is basic stuff, the fact you don’t see it…tells me one of two things, you either don’t have a family around you, or understand the value of that network.

Either way, you’re wrong.
 
When you pay absolutely top dollar for something you need it to work and straight away. Otherwise you could have gone elsewhere and worked on something to build as part of a project. You don’t buy the most expensive house in the world and expect to do shit loads of work on it.

I completely agree on the family part.
That's a bit simplistic mate. Real life doesn't work that way. You see it in business every day - CEO X is hired because of his success in another industry. He/She still needs to find the ropes in the new position. I can see all of the newbies are in that position but with very little support from some of the established players (which would make their integration so much easier) who are under-performing and all over the place this season.
 
The reason we are talking about his family not being here is because he's losing games. He needs to start winning games or his family will be doing an ange.

Its entirely possible that the smartest bit of planning in the whole thing was not fucking up his kids academics and home life for a gig that lasts under 2 years.

He's never really looked to impose himself on the club with his personality like other managers. Not even talking like klopp. He's very much not a manager in the sense that I understand it, like he isn't trying to be the leader of Liverpool.
i don't see that and we have zero idea of what he's like behind the scenes so there is a LOT of supposition in that statement.
 
That's a bit simplistic mate. Real life doesn't work that way. You see it in business every day - CEO X is hired because of his success in another industry. He/She still needs to find the ropes in the new position. I can see all of the newbies are in that position but with very little support from some of the established players (which would make their integration so much easier) who are under-performing and all over the place this season.
It’s an excuse. Why didn’t any of these need time to settle in?

Suarez
Sturridge
Torres
Alonso
Mascherano
Couthinho
Mane
Salah
Alison
Van dijk


And so on. Top players come in and show it. They also didn’t have their roles in a structure changed from where they were.
 
He has a tough day like yesterday, he needs those guys around him…helping him, no good man is an island. They reinvigorate him, remind him of who he is….this is basic stuff, the fact you don’t see it…tells me one of two things, you either don’t have a family around you, or understand the value of that network.

Either way, you’re wrong.

His whole family needs that. His two kids have had a more normal end to their schooling without fucking up their entire friend network and academic pursuits. I'm sure it's been hard on their parents but I think it makes some basic sense. I don't really know what they are doing now enough to evaluate what makes sense. You don't seem to need to know anything to make judgments about people.

I do have a family very much around me, I've got the nit shampoo to prove it. Only I'm not with my family right now because I'm helping my mum try to keep my dad out of hospital as he withers into nothingness. Do you see how stupid it is to try to evaluate someones family life or the decisions they are making when you don't know anything about them?
 
There's not any one thing or solution, because we're mostly shit across the pitch, but if if had to prioritise anything, it's the defensive structure. Start with reducing the number of goals we're conceding before we worry too much about the attack. I don't think that necessarily means huge personal changes, bar maybe dropping Salah and Mac Allister, but a shift in approach from the manager. Watching Arsenal players sprinting back to get every man behind the ball against Fulham to protect a lead was in stark contrast to us. I could also do with VVD offering some fucking leadership and instructive coaching on the pitch rather than whinging and crying any time he has to do something.

I'd be asking Jones to replicate what Wijnanlum used to do. Just maintain possession, work hard and cover gaps. He also has the technical ability to not fuck something up every 2 or 3 actions, which many of this team currently lack. I was far from wowed by Frimpong's RW performance, and seeing him live gave me loads of doubts about him, but at least he'll get back, and rapidly, too. Maybe Wirtz can also find a home there, but it would take Slot to find his balls and start dropping, or at least rotating Salah.

-------------------Marma--------------
----Bradley--Konate--VVD------Robbo---
---------------Grav----Jones---------------
-------------------Szobo-------------------
---Frimpong-----Ekitike-------Wirtz/Gakpo

We're way better than this, but we required a reset that was supposed to come during the international break. To put in the same type of bullshit performance, again, against our most hated rivals, at home, was beyond disappointing from all involved. We just need to get back to basics and stop acting like we're the defending champions that don't need to earn the right to play, stop acting like that a last-minute goal is inevitable, and take some pride in gaining a clean sheet.
Hate that right side, I'd prefer :

-------------------Marma--------------
----Bradley--Konate--VVD------Kerkez---
---------------Grav----Jones---------------
-------------------Wirtz-------------------
---Szobo --------Isak ------- Ekitike

Ekitike clearly has the ability to beat people, Szobo to control a ball far better than Mo., also he can beat people with his quick control and body swerves and he'll track all the way back to our goal line if necessary. Wirtz is in the position Slot wants him to be and he covers as much ground as Szobo. Pointless changing Kerkez for Robbo who gets slagged off for his pace/errors every time he takes to the pitch now.

To change it up after 70 mins bring Gakpo on to the RW and push Szobo inside.

There's a lot of good pressing in that front 4.
 
It’s an excuse. Why didn’t any of these need time to settle in?

Suarez
Sturridge
Torres
Alonso
Mascherano
Couthinho
Mane
Salah
Alison
Van dijk


And so on. Top players come in and show it. They also didn’t have their roles in a structure changed from where they were.
That's even more simplistic. Most were coming into a structure set in stone. There was little to adjust to (bar new team mates) for most of them. Wasn't Salah average in his first season? I may be mis-remembering. Not sure about the other strikers.
 
I know someone who has done that. Miserable cunt that lived on a giant empty estate sitting alone with his laptop in a giant glass conservatory.

Yeah the only really fucking wealthy mate I've got is now the most miserable isolated person I know.
 
That's even more simplistic. Most were coming into a structure set in stone. There was little to adjust to (bar new team mates) for most of them. Wasn't Salah average in his first season? I may be mis-remembering. Not sure about the other strikers.
They are footballers who have played football for 20 years. All of those came in and still played a tune for us. They all came in and lifted us a level or two from the off.
 
His whole family needs that. His two kids have had a more normal end to their schooling without fucking up their entire friend network and academic pursuits. I'm sure it's been hard on their parents but I think it makes some basic sense. I don't really know what they are doing now enough to evaluate what makes sense. You don't seem to need to know anything to make judgments about people.

I do have a family very much around me, I've got the nit shampoo to prove it. Only I'm not with my family right now because I'm helping my mum try to keep my dad out of hospital as he withers into nothingness. Do you see how stupid it is to try to evaluate someones family life or the decisions they are making when you don't know anything about them?
So you do understand the value of family….

You would then conclude how important it is to have that closeness in proximity.

From ‘92-‘95 - I had the reverse situation to Arne, my dad got a job in The Netherlands working for Nike as a project manager….we as a family followed him, best days of my life. We took that challenge on as a team, as a family. We picked each other up as we fell, we supported one another. Then when we started winning, it was the families success.

I feel for Arne, as he goes home every night to an empty pad.
 
Well, Slot's had a huge influx of new players to fit into the squad, quite a few of whom came for big money and aren't likely to react well to not being played, so I'm not surprised he's still learning about them and about how best to combine them. That was always going to happen.

Nor do I have a problem with not being able to summarise Slot's ideas in a snappy phrase or two. On the contrary, IMO the whole idea of "identity" is massively overemphasised nowadays. I want my club's manager to look (a) at the resources at his disposal and (b) at whom we're up against from game to game, then design our approach to each game around those two things. If you start from the idea that you need an "identity" to live up to, you end up with Ange.

That’s really not what I meant. More in a practical sense than an identity sense.
For me, albeit a bit simplified,it seems he doesn’t set us up according to the resources we have, which is the first rule of management in my book.
 
So you do understand the value of family….

You would then conclude how important it is to have that closeness in proximity.

From ‘92-‘95 - I had the reverse situation to Arne, my dad got a job in The Netherlands working for Nike as a project manager….we as a family followed him, best days of my life. We took that challenge on as a team, as a family. We picked each other up as we fell, we supported one another. Then when we started winning, it was the families success.

I feel for Arne, as he goes home every night to an empty pad.

How old were you when you moved to the Netherlands.
 
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