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rurikbird

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When games are coming thick and fast, we don't always quite appreciate what we are witnessing. So maybe now during this International break is a good time to take a look at Sadio:




This is some Ronaldinho-level shit. He might not quite match Salah on goal contribution numbers (although it's getting closer), but there is no one in the team – and, possibly, in all of the Premier League – who terrifies, tortures and bamboozles opposition defenders more. Once you're isolated against him with the ball at his feet, you're pretty much left hoping he's going to miss or screw up the move himself – but there is nothing YOU can proactively do to stop him. The harder you try, the more foolish he will make you look. That's what's amazing about Mane – as he gets more clear and efficient with finishing chances, he continually becomes better and better. He's not peaked yet and we can't even guess where that peak lies. His own efficiency is his only limit.

And on a related note, I think the biggest reason for Klopp's success at improving his players comes from his strength as a person – an ability (and most importantly a willingness) to see deeply into each individual, taking the time to truly understand them and not settle for an easy stereotype. If there is one thing in common between Salah, Mane and Firmino is that all three are quite unique in their combination of qualities; none of them remotely fits any "type" of player we commonly see in the game. Another manager could (and in fact other managers did) miss some of these qualities while being preoccupied with their own tactical ideas and whatnot – they could see Salah as just another speedy winger, Bobby as just a flamboyant playmaker, Sadio as too unpredictable and erratic to build the attack around. Klopp saw far more and with patient coaching remade three £30M attackers into three £100M+ ones.
 
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He’s been our best and most valuable player since the CL semi final against Roma Imo.

Absolutely love him.

My favourite player.
 
Spurs supporting friend of mine was at the game in Singapore .. said Mane was the best player on the pitch.
 
Our front three are so damn good in their own unique way, it's almost like someone's created them in FM Editor.

I wholeheartedly agree with what I think was your implied conclusion, I think Mane is yet to fully peak, and he's going to become the best of the lot. Even though we're all evangelising over him, I still feel his improvement has gone somewhat under the radar, he's outrageously efficient, and scores such a devastating array of goals, and you can see he's still on an upward trajectory.

Is there a better wide forward in the world right now?

Is there a better team in the world right now?

Nope, enjoy this all lads, what a time to be alive.
 
Mane is playing even better than we could have imagined. The competition with salah is bringing out the best of him. He has everything, the turn of pace from a standing start is amazing and now he is banging in the goals and can still do the defensive work.

Real were quoted 200 million for him in the summer, at this rate it will be hard to keep him if a silly offer comes in.
 
Mane is playing even better than we could have imagined. The competition with salah is bringing out the best of him. He has everything, the turn of pace from a standing start is amazing and now he is banging in the goals and can still do the defensive work.

Real were quoted 200 million for him in the summer, at this rate it will be hard to keep him if a silly offer comes in.

He's always scored goals, really. Last season he just scored more.
 
He is unplayable at times. Monster of a player. I once thought he'd try move on if Madrid came calling but he's paid handsomely, he's adored by the fans / managers and we just won the European Cup. Let's win the league this year.
 
He is unplayable at times. Monster of a player. I once thought he'd try move on if Madrid came calling but he's paid handsomely, he's adored by the fans / managers and we just won the European Cup. Let's win the league this year.
Players like Mané just want to play at the highest level.
 
He's the mane man. (Sorry)

He went slightly underratedfor a long time because of Salah but it's clear he's just as much, a force for our success.
 
And on a related note, I think the biggest reason for Klopp's success at improving his players comes from his strength as a person – an ability (and most importantly a willingness) to see deeply into each individual, taking the time to truly understand them and not settle for an easy stereotype. If there is one thing in common between Salah, Mane and Firmino is that all three are quite unique in their combination of qualities; none of them remotely fits any "type" of player we commonly see in the game. Another manager could (and in fact other managers did) miss some of these qualities while being preoccupied with their own tactical ideas and whatnot – they could see Salah as just another speedy winger, Bobby as just a flamboyant playmaker, Sadio as too unpredictable and erratic to build the attack around. Klopp saw far more and with patient coaching remade three £30M attackers into three £100M+ ones.

Well said, so true - thats why I chuckle when I see Emery and Manchester United trying so obviously to copy us at the moment. No matter how hard you try you need a manager like Klopp, maybe if you clone him...But until Man Utd and Arsenal either get their own successful strategy no amount of trying to replicate what Liverpool have done lately will work without Klopp. Hopefully there isnt a massive exodus when Klopp leaves that will be a sad day. I imagine once Klopp retires for good he will get a statue erected at Anfield, next to the Origi one lol
 
Well said, so true - thats why I chuckle when I see Emery and Manchester United trying so obviously to copy us at the moment. No matter how hard you try you need a manager like Klopp, maybe if you clone him...But until Man Utd and Arsenal either get their own successful strategy no amount of trying to replicate what Liverpool have done lately will work without Klopp. Hopefully there isnt a massive exodus when Klopp leaves that will be a sad day. I imagine once Klopp retires for good he will get a statue erected at Anfield, next to the Origi one lol

If he brings home a title and another CL he will get one I think.
 
Premier League top scorers in 2019 across all competitions
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[article]PSG captain Thiago Silva says Liverpool ace Sadio Mane deserves to be mentioned among the Ballon d'Or contenders.

Last Thursday in Singapore, Brazil and Senegal played out a 1-1 draw - with Thiago Silva impressed by Mane. The Reds attacker featured in the game, winning Senegal's penalty, which was duly converted by Famara Diedhiou before the break.

It was a performance from Mane which only reinforced the opinion Thiago Silva has of the Liverpool forward.

He told Sky Sports via Maxifoot, "Sadio Mané is a world class player. He is almost perfect.

"He moves very fast, controls the ball well and is very intelligent in his movements."


Now 36, Thiago Silva has faced some of the game's greatest ever strikers and is well positioned to judge where Mane stands amongst today's elite.

And the defender has no doubts the Senegalese hero deserves to not only be on the Ballon d'Or dais - but to actually win it.

Thiago Silva added: "With what he has achieved this year, I think he deserves to be in the discussion for the Ballon d'Or."
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The evolution of Sadio Mané, from Liverpool 'flop' to an era-defining signing for Jürgen Klopp

A detailed and comprehensive analysis of how Liverpool became one of the world's best players

By
Stephen Drennan
  • 06:00, 17 OCT 2019
LIVERPOOL FC NEWS
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It is becoming increasingly difficult for Liverpool to maintain the worst-kept secret in football: Sadio Mané is one of the best players in the world.
Mané shared his first-ever Golden Boot for the previous Premier League campaign with fellow Africans Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang and Mohamed Salah. The trio all notched 22 goals during the campaign, although many have pointed out that Mané's achievement stands out from the rest as his total was unaided with penalties, while Salah converted three and Aubameyang scored four.
Mané recently finished in fifth place in ‘The Best FIFA Men's Player’ awards. The eventual winner, Lionel Messi, voted for the Senegalese international as his #1. Cesc Fàbregas also recently took to Twitter, to state that Mané is one of the ‘top 3 players in the world and has been for a while’.

Meanwhile, in Madrid, Eden Hazard’s lacklustre start to life in the Spanish capital has seen reports resurface that Liverpool’s #10 was Zinedine Zidane’s actual top transfer target in the summer. Mané was wanted to rebuild an ageing Real Madrid and provide some much-needed energy and pace to their forward line.
On the back of winning a major trophy, it seems Mané is finally receiving universal praise and recognition for his talent. However, this is far removed from sentiments when Liverpool were in the process of signing him just three summers ago.

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A collection of comments following Sadio Mané's signing for Liverpool
At the time, opinions on the £30million ($38.5million) man considered him to be an over-priced Theo Walcott, no better than Jon Walters, and seemingly a shoo-in before even kicking a ball in red for ‘flop of the season’.

While such takes look absolutely laughable now, it does raise an interesting question: Were such people just blind to the obvious, likely due to the many cognitive biases which impair human judgement? Also, to what extent has Mané evolved to become a world-class footballer under the tutelage of Jürgen Klopp at Liverpool?

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(Image: Craque Stats)
The image above shows the shot density map for Mané’s first season in English football, in 2014/15, with Southampton. It only reflects his efforts from open play, as this better reflects shot choice and positions taken than set-pieces.
As can be seen, he had a tendency to take shots from anywhere. Ideally, there would be fewer shots from wide angles and long distances as possible, but Mané's attempts fitted this criteria.

Despite that, his shooting metrics are still very impressive. If we consider the elite goalscorers in Europe last season as being those who scored at least ten non-penalty goals in one of the top-five European Leagues, this group of 61 forwards average:
At 22 and playing predominantly as a wide forward, Mané’s underlying numbers suggest he was already an elite finisher with a lot of potential for growth given his age and erratic shot map.
- 23.2% of their shots being blocked
- 43.1% of their shots being on target (SoT %)
- 40.5% of those shots on target being converted (SoT Conv. %)
- 47.0% of their big chances being converted (BC Conv. %)
- 0.37 expected goals per 90 (xG)
- 0.40 goals per 90

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Moving forward two years, to the end of his debut season for Liverpool in 2016/17, there was a clear evolution in his shot locations. It now appears in a nice funnel shape, extending outwards from goal. The low-probability density clusters - both from wide angles and outside the box - are almost entirely gone.

Most of his underlying metrics have subsequently improved. While slightly more shots are being blocked, he is achieving a higher percentage of his shots on target. Those shots on target are being converted at a rate of almost 12% above average. However, he only has 11 non-penalty goals as reward. That number is enough to have him amongst the top ten goalscorers in the league, but still a long way off world-class end product. He is clearly on the right path 24 years old, which is the start of footballers’ ‘peak’ physical years, during which they typically have the most productive years.

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Another two year leap, this time to the 2018/19 campaign, revels last season's shot map; it shows an exceptional evolution into a ruthless finisher, with shots in a very tight central cluster in front of goal, and a greater number of shots from point-blank range inside the six-yard box.
The reward for the evolution of his shot process is made clear by the numbers, as he clocks in 21 goals from open play. He is outperforming the averages for an elite forward by roughly 10% in SoT% (shots on target), SoT Conv % (shots on target conversion) and BC Conv % (big chance conversion). Mane’s big chance total has risen from ten in 2016/17 to 23, taking up better goal scoring positions, and being closer and more central to the goal.

Perhaps the clearest indication of this refining process is in the average xG per shot, which essentially tells us the probability of him scoring on average from every shot he takes. This metric has grown from 0.15 after his first season at Southampton in 2014/15, to 0.18 after his first season with the Reds in 2016/17. Now, it is at 0.20, having completed his evolution into a 20-goal-a-season forward and Golden Boot winner.
Mané was averaging 6.0 shots per goal in open play in his first Southampton season. He only required 3.6 shots per goal in the last season, achieving an improvement of 65.8%.

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Analysing his underlying numbers for each of his five full seasons in English football side-by-side, one thing that stands out is the amount of football he was able to play last season. Since his arrival at Liverpool, Mané’s seasons have been interrupted by the African Cup of Nations, suspension and at least one injury per season. An uninterrupted 2018/19 saw him play nearly ten full games extra in terms of minutes.
On reflection, it appears many people were sleeping on Mané back when Liverpool signed him. He was the first player signed in the Klopp era at Anfield for more than £6million. In many ways, this makes him an era-defining signing for Klopp’s Reds.

It is also the deal that finally put some respect on the name of sporting director, Michael Edwards. A hatchet job written in some areas of the press, shortly after Rodgers was sacked, saw his stock fall to an all-time low with a large section of the club’s fanbase. Today, Edwards and his team are now considered to be the pioneers of using analytics in top-level football to scout and acquire players, and the blueprint many clubs wish to emulate.
The ability to see impressive underlying numbers, as well as a clear path to pushing them from elite to world-class, is becoming a recurring theme at Anfield with Mohamed Salah, Virgil van Dijk, Alisson Becker and now Mané receiving recognition as being amongst the very best in the world. Perhaps by the end of the season, the likes of Andy Robertson, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Fabinho and Roberto Firmino will all be held in similar esteem on the back of another major trophy – or two.
All data and graphics used in this article are provided by @CraqueStats

Notes on metrics used in the article:
P90 – Per 90’s played. This is all minutes played divided per 90 mins, so whilst a player can be listed with 30 appearances if he only plays 10 mins in each game this would show as 300/90 = 3.33 (ie the equivalent of 3.3 games)
xG - Expected Goals. In layman’s terms, xG is the probability that a shot results in a goal. This calculation is based on numerous in-game variables with pitch location being the most influential. For example, a tap-in from a yard out could result in an xG of 0.95: in other words, 95 times out of a 100 it results in a goal. These individual shot probabilities are often aggregated for an overall assessment.
NP – Non-Penalty. Penalties are often removed in analytics as they are rare, high scoring probability events that can skew analysis.
OP - Open Play, ie. excludes penalties, corners, free-kicks etc.SoT - Shots on Target.
SoT% – percentage of all shots that are on target
SoT Conv % - percentage of all SoT that result in goals
 
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