So we're on the hunt for a new manager

[keniget]

You began the post with a conclusion that was bordering on being the right one. Our attackers weren't good enough. Our attacking play wasn't good enough.

You want to get back to having a strong centre (although it's unlikely to be as strong as it was then given that we had three world class players in the middle) all the whilst ignoring that our attack is so much less productive than it was then when the worst of our problems was Riera.

It's not about buying one super talent like Messi. It's about making sure that the attacking unit as a whole can score goals and win us games. Providing our current attacking unit a solid base from which to play is great and all but if that attacking unit is fundamentally broken, how much use are you going to get out of that solid base?

It's like buying a chef that can't cook a £100,000 kitchen and expecting gourmet food. It's not going to happen. You're still going to get the same old shit food.

 

[Bernard Redmond]

And where did we finish?

In 08/09 we lost the title because we failed to break lesser teams down. How many times under Rafa did we see us camped in the oppositions half and fail to get the three points?

We've seen that happen enough under Kenny this season.

The only thing id say about that was in that year we were much more tougher to break down and more organised tactically! If it serves me right we lost out cause we had two draws home and away against Stoke that year and had ligitimate goals disallowed in both games, 2 wins and we would of been level on points

 

[scousemouse]

FIRST POST.

Im a long time lurker back from kraptalk days.

Im shaking mad at some of our fans.
were is the humility? why are some fans spouting "sack kenny" so easily?

Is that what we are about? if so were no better than chelsea fans or city fans.

HOW you win things is more important than the winning. if we had an abramovitch and 11 johnny foreigners id never bother watching us again. we might as well spray paint the manchester city team red.

It matters that kenny is manager...to me .. a scouser ... who saw us win god knows what during his time as manager and we went about it the right way. It matters because he was at all 96 funerals. it matters because he makes US decent.

It matters that we have scousers in the team.
It matters we go about things the right way.

Now all you armchair foreign fans giving it "sack kenny" despite him getting our first trophy in 6 years AND against the odds can F off as far as im concerned. You make us no better than man utd fans or cheleas for that matter.

yes our league position wasnt the best but im ready to let kenny be manager for at LEAST another season because he deserves it and not just off the back of this season.

If fergie is on kennys back and the press have been lined up against him from the start than should make us back him more.

if all that matters to you fickle bunch of cretins that want him gone is champions leauge football at the cost of our clubs moral character i give in. ill walk off and never go to another match again. my tickets will be best off in the hands of some out of towner that knows better.

 

[Wizardry]

I'm utterly mystified as to where this idea that a deep lying CM is going to be the answer has come from. I truly can't get over it. KHL posted a proposed lineup the other day and I think the only change was replacing Lucas with Martinez. I said it then and I'll say it again - seriously??? What???

Our issue is the game intelligence, movement and guile to break a team down up top; the front 5 or 6 (depending on how you want to play) are where our issues lie. If Lucas has the ball 10 yards from our own area..... . Can that! If Jay Spearing has the ball 10 yards out from our own area he's going to hit one of our players with a pass IF our players have smart enough movement to provide him with that option.

I'm no huge fan of Adam but a significant part of his failing in midfield should be laid at the feet of those who were in front of him. They didn't give him the options needed to get the ball forward often enough cause the movement isn't there; the players don't get themselves into good enough positions often enough. People point at Maxi scoring goals when he plays. Why? Have a look at the goals he scored. How many of them were with him all on his own? He gets into good positions, he makes clever runs and finds himself in space. Without him there about the only player up front we had doing that was Suarez and it's pretty easy to handle when there's only one.

We don't need Messi (though someone like him would be nice) to ghost past 5 players; we just need players who are smarter both on the ball and off the ball. But if they do it back at our penalty box it offers us nothing.

I'm not having a direct shot at Neil here but it just seemed the way he was describing the CM he wants as though they were a DM who had to sit and shield the defense. Not only is our defense pretty much sorted but a deep lying CM is so far away from our priority it's practically out of sight.

We want clever players up front with Suarez and Gerrard who will create room for themselves and each other; they'll make good runs for the players behind them and each other.

You add two of them to our front 6 along with Suarez and Gerrard - you've got enough, IMO, to make the top 4.

This team crushed pretty much all before them second half of last season; the difference between then and this season was the movement and game intelligence between then and now. I'm not saying these two players are going to be easy to find but that's all we need. We forget the mancs for the moment and focus on 20 points; that's what separates us from a rubbish season and the CL. After that we can make the necessary tweaks. Maybe one of them will be a deep lying CM, maybe one will be in defense but it certainly isn't the tweak we need in this transfer window.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

We wouldn't have won an awful lot without Johnny Foreigner players. But I agree with some of your sentiment.

 

[doctor_mac]

FIRST POST.

Im a long time lurker back from kraptalk days.

Im shaking mad at some of our fans.
were is the humility? why are some fans spouting "sack kenny" so easily?

Is that what we are about? if so were no better than chelsea fans or city fans.

HOW you win things is more important than the winning. if we had an abramovitch and 11 johnny foreigners id never bother watching us again. we might as well spray paint the manchester city team red.

It matters that kenny is manager...to me .. a scouser ... who saw us win god knows what during his time as manager and we went about it the right way. It matters because he was at all 96 funerals. it matters because he makes US decent.

It matters that we have scousers in the team.
It matters we go about things the right way.

Now all you armchair foreign fans giving it "sack kenny" despite him getting our first trophy in 6 years AND against the odds can F off as far as im concerned. You make us no better than man utd fans or cheleas for that matter.

yes our league position wasnt the best but im ready to let kenny be manager for at LEAST another season because he deserves it and not just off the back of this season.

If fergie is on kennys back and the press have been lined up against him from the start than should make us back him more.

if all that matters to you fickle bunch of cretins that want him gone is champions leauge football at the cost of our clubs moral character i give in. ill walk off and never go to another match again. my tickets will be best off in the hands of some out of towner that knows better.

A lot of people who are backing Kenny to the hilt on here are 'foreigners', alright Mr Scouse super fan? There are scousers on the site who want Kenny gone, btw.

Way to come on and alienate loads of people who actually share your opinion.

 

[John McGovern]

Is Johnny foreigner referring to Riise?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

FIRST POST.

Now all you armchair foreign fans giving it "sack kenny"

Welcome to the site scousemouse, and a good first post bar a few issues.

One has created a problem for me ... I'm in the 'Keep Kenny' corner, I'm also in the 'armchair foreign fan' corner. Where do you wish I stay?

 

[scousemouse]

We wouldn't have won an awful lot without Johnny Foreigner players. But I agree with some of your sentiment.

im not aginst foreign players mate. i just think WE LFC and fans should be a cut above.
Now is the time to show our class as a collective or we will lose something bigger than a champs league place.

Kenny hasnt had a chance yet. andy carrol was bought injured and let down by newcastle. like ur bird had just left you ..it takes time to get ur head right. hell be an absolute monster for us.

kenny and suarez were sttiched up over the evra crap.
The fa and the press out for a chunk. the press were already primed for an attack on kenny too.
I wouldnt skake a grasses hand either. and in an interview after i think kenny alluded to the point he was a grass too (something about dealing with it in house).

you all make me laff. the torres love in from day one when it was obvious hed chip off if the clouds came.

why does kenny not deserve the patince and support afforded to benitez?

 

[25_05_05]

Scouser? - tick
Wants Kenny gone? - tick

 

[OLD_Lewy]

hang on, you've gotta be a foreinger to want kenny gone? jesus.......

 

[scousemouse]

We wouldn't have won an awful lot without Johnny Foreigner players. But I agree with some of your sentiment.

Ask yourself what is it you actually support?
what drew you to liverpool fc?

was it our humility and class our tradition?
or ist it just glory hunting for the sake of it?

I dont care if we finish tenth or get relegated as long as im supporting a club that doesnt sell out its principles. im not selling my soul.

After city won the title the tv interviewed ther *captain*
"what does it mean to the fans after so long?"

HE DIDNT F**KING KNOW!!!!

thats damned poor.

 

[scousemouse]

Scouser? - tick
Wants Kenny gone? - tick

born after 1985 - TICK

 

[doctor_mac]

I think Scousemouse is Ryan, trying to discredit the Kenny supporters from the inside.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

haha this guys amazing, i was getting bored of this forum with no glock, this should make it more fun

 

[Insignificance]

It is amusing to see people using every scenario happened as an evidence that it will happen to us.

Chelsea sacked their manager and saved their season!!! (We did the same last year didn't we?). So sacking Dalglish will win us the FA Cup next season autmatically?

Juve sacked the manager and won the league!! It will be interesting watching Aston Villa next season?

Alex Ferguson needed 6 years!!! So we just fired rafa the year before he would win it??

Things happen in football. i am convinced that stability is needed and it takes some times for ideas to work. if it is laying deep, pressing like a team like Rafa wanted, we were not really good at it until some time. The pass and move kenny likes will take some time as well. i am not convinced we have the right players to play pass and move like we did towards the end of last season. Then we were a beauty to watch... But a few adjustments to the squad and I am convinced we can make it click.

 

[Sunny]

FIRST POST.

Im a long time lurker back from kraptalk days.

Im shaking mad at some of our fans.
were is the humility? why are some fans spouting "sack kenny" so easily?

Is that what we are about? if so were no better than chelsea fans or city fans.

HOW you win things is more important than the winning. if we had an abramovitch and 11 johnny foreigners id never bother watching us again. we might as well spray paint the manchester city team red.

It matters that kenny is manager...to me .. a scouser ... who saw us win god knows what during his time as manager and we went about it the right way. It matters because he was at all 96 funerals. it matters because he makes US decent.

It matters that we have scousers in the team.
It matters we go about things the right way.

Now all you armchair foreign fans giving it "sack kenny" despite him getting our first trophy in 6 years AND against the odds can F off as far as im concerned. You make us no better than man utd fans or cheleas for that matter.

yes our league position wasnt the best but im ready to let kenny be manager for at LEAST another season because he deserves it and not just off the back of this season.

If fergie is on kennys back and the press have been lined up against him from the start than should make us back him more.

if all that matters to you fickle bunch of cretins that want him gone is champions leauge football at the cost of our clubs moral character i give in. ill walk off and never go to another match again. my tickets will be best off in the hands of some out of towner that knows better.

Firstly. Welcome to the site. Secondly tone the insults and aggression down mate or you wont be here long. I'm a scouser but I don't subscribe to the OOT rhetoric at all. We want our club to compete and be successful globally but don't want the fan base that makes that happen to support them ? Sorry, don't get that at all. Liverpool Football Club has it's roots and identity in the city and the local fans yes but it's not their exclusive right to support the club. If you want a big club you need a big fanbase that reaches beyond the confines of the City of Liverpool. I welcome OOTers. I welcome them to our club and I welcome them to our city as should be the way of the people of our city.

It's nice to have scousers in the team yes and it's good to have some local identity in there but the most important thing is we have the right players in the team. Calling foreign fans armchair is also out of order when it can cost some of them to come and watch one game more than we locals spend in a season and I know plenty who've done that. Australia, Malayasia, Canada, America even Ireland several times a year. It costs money to do that, real money.

Yes, it matters that we go about things in the right way and that something we've lacked this season even under Kenny.

I want Kenny to be given another season to put things right and he HAS made mistakes this year. Sadly I do not think he's going to be afforded that opportunity. That does not take away from what the man has done for this club - through Hillsborough and beyond that. He's always going to be a club legend. Sure there's a few morons who demonstrate some disrespect and seem to take delight in hoping he will go but they tend to act like morons a lot of time anyway, Kenny aside. I know a few scousers like that as well. It's not limited to "johnny foreigner".

I somewhat understand where you're coming from but I don't fall in line with the way your presenting your argument mouse so I'd ask you to think about before your next post please.

 

[livvy145]

I think Scousemouse is Ryan, trying to discredit the Kenny supporters from the inside.

DJS was kicked from EST recently....

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Ask yourself what is it you actually support?
what drew you to liverpool fc?

was it our humility and class our tradition?
or ist it just glory hunting for the sake of it?

Errrrr....... I was born one. I didn't have a choice.

 

[Modo]

Glory hunting ooter fan, huh?

I barely remember when we last won the title. Was about 9 years old then.
So there hasn't been much glory for me during the past 22 years.

 

[scousemouse]

It is amusing to see people using every scenario happened as an evidence that it will happen to us.

Chelsea sacked their manager and saved their season!!! (We did the same last year didn't we?). So sacking Dalglish will win us the FA Cup next season autmatically?

Juve sacked the manager and won the league!! It will be interesting watching Aston Villa next season?

Alex Ferguson needed 6 years!!! So we just fired rafa the year before he would win it??

Things happen in football. i am convinced that stability is needed and it takes some times for ideas to work. if it is laying deep, pressing like a team like Rafa wanted, we were not really good at it until some time. The pass and move kenny likes will take some time as well. i am not convinced we have the right players to play pass and move like we did towards the end of last season. Then we were a beauty to watch... But a few adjustments to the squad and I am convinced we can make it click.

but you will never know if the fickle toss have their way.
the grass is always greener....those fans.

i dont know what people expect? we are competing with billionaire sugar daddy wan*ers. TWO of them. a man utd used to winning.

isnt the idea to get behind your manager whos cv is as good as anyones? hes not taken charge of a successful team and turned us sh1te. give the man some time.

get rid of maxi.
get rid of the aging kuyt.
aurellio - gone

get stiriing promoted and maybe morgan. buy in a midfielder.

follow the buy british formula that MAY give us a tactical advantage over the billionaire tossers when the homegrown player rules come in.

slowly slowly catchy monkey

 

[doctor_mac]

DJS was kicked from EST recently....

I'm pretty sure DJS could spell though.

 

[Sunny]

Ask yourself what is it you actually support?
what drew you to liverpool fc?

was it our humility and class our tradition?
or ist it just glory hunting for the sake of it?

You tend to be attracted to a club at an early age and you're either brainwashed into supporting a club like I do my lad or you seek glory at that age. When you're 5 or 6 you really don't give a shit about humility, class or tradition. You're not showing much humility either.

 

[25_05_05]

If he's here next season so be it. But I think it would only be a stay of execution rather than a show of support from the owners. And at the moment the silence is deafening....

 

[OLD_Lewy]

why would buying british give us an advantage? if anything theyre more expensive to buy

 

[livvy145]

I'm pretty sure DJS could spell though.

Ouch

*leaves thread*

 

[Sunny]

If he's here next season so be it. But I think it would only be a stay of execution rather than a show of support from the owners. And at the moment the silence is deafening....

I really don't think he's going to be.

 

[25_05_05]

hang on, you've gotta be a foreinger to want kenny gone? jesus.......

Goes away to check family tree....

 

[Insignificance]

Glory hunting ooter fan, huh?

I barely remember when we last won the title. Was about 9 years old then.
So there hasn't been much glory for me during the past 22 years.

CL won, FA cups won, UEFA Cups won, League cups won, Glory moments on the way to new CL final, drama on the pitch, drama off the pitch.... Blame the lack of glory on King Kenny.

 

[25_05_05]

I really don't think he's going to be.

Me neither. Just trying to present a balanced view.