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There is no way we're selling 7-8 senior players and some of those mentioned are clearly not in the club's 'sell bracket' even if fans speculate they are.

Who could go this Summer of those mentioned? If this season has proven anything it's that quite a few of these players are valuable squad members that can keep us in the fight for more trophies than in previous seasons under Klopp.

Phillips : Fo sure.
Gomez : No chance. We need 4 high quality CBs and Joe has that rare ability of being more than adequate at RB too. Until Bradley progresses in that respect he is indispensable because we won't be buying a better backup RB.
Milner : seems we are giving him a one year extension (as Klopp has mentioned) on lower wages. No issue with that even though I wouldn't.
Firmino : still has a lot to offer with the workload we have. Not going anywhere.
Mane : see Bobby.
Origi : Yes it's time for him to go, Milan?
Minamino : staying
Jones : staying,
Ox: Gone
Keita : staying
Kelleher : staying. We are not going to weaken our squad by loaning/selling.

Salah : I would hate, hate , hate to lose him but if he's not going to re-sign, and the club won't give him what he deserves, then we need to cash in. We can't afford to lose £70-100m.

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Dybala on a free?
Midfielder, to replace the place vacated by Ox., definitely a 1st team challenger and not a squad filler.

That's it.
 
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Phillips - I think once Bournemouth are promoted, they'll pay 15-20 million.
Gomez - agree, unless we get a serious bid.
Milner - agree, he's important for the squad
Firmino - 50/50 imo. If he wants to go and Barca are actually interested, we may move on from him.
Mane - we'll keep
Origi - He's gone. Time for him to try and play regularly.
Minamino - I actually think we should keep but he'll move imo to bring in more funds.
Jones - 100% stay.
Ox - if we get an offer, gone.
Keita - we'll lose him on a free I think so one more year
Kelleher - unless we get a monster bid, will stay imo.

Salah - fair ... Hope a new contract is agreed.

I think we'll have one big signing and maybe a back up right back ... that's it really.
 
Phillips - Depends on how much we want. We won't get £15m. Closer to half that now.

Gomez - Important for the home grown quota. Unless we bring another in, he may not get his wish this summer.

Milner - Depends if he wants to go back to Leeds. The returns are definitely diminishing. But what a pro.

Firmino - Most likely to keep from the 3 amigos IMO.

Mane - Opposite of Salah.

Origi - Out of contract, so yeah. Gone.

Minamino - I think he stays.

Jones - 100% stay.

Ox - I want him to go, which probably means he stays.

Keita - He stays.

Kelleher - 100% stay, Klopp has already confirmed.

Salah - if he signs a new contract, I think Mane is gone. If he doesn't, I could see him being offered to clubs in Spain, Bayern and PSG. And Mane extending instead.
 
I think Gomez and ox are nailed on to go tbh. No way Gomez is happy to stay and be 4th choice in world cup year.

Origi is off sadly, Phillips is off. I think klopp will keep bobby, unless we get a huge bid.

I also think milners off, which would be a mistake. Last hurrah with Leeds, and maybe come back in the future in coaching capacity.
 
I can't see a world where our net of sales/purchases is more than 2 out - we have seen this season how important a full squad is and I bet we'd rather keep a few fringe players in case of eventualities than sell for profit.

There are some that look likely for seeing one out one in e.g. Ox out, Carvalho in. Origi out, Origi out (diaz in - which was brought in early) etc.

Gomez & Ox have the most sale value of those we don't play much. Who knows what will happen with Mane/Firmino but they would both command a decent fee given we aren't desperate to sell.
 
Brizzle said:
Agree with this - if Bournemouth go up I think they will spend money on Nat as they know he knows the pace of the PL and will need him in their squad (if not starting).
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Yup, hoping for 15 million from them ... though honestly, I watched Newcastle vs Everton, and he's miles better than the Newcastle CBs. They should buy him ... if they want to have a proper leader from the back.
 
Origi is off

Gomez will ask to leave I reckon

Ox should be sold

Phillips is off

Neco could be off when Fulham gets promoted


Keep the rest.
 
We've got some big decisions to make this summer and I hope that we do make them rather than kick the can down the road.

The futures of Salah, Mane and Firmino need sorting out. We can't let them all leave on a free next summer (if that's when their contracts expire).

The midfield is in need of some work and we need a right sided Tsimikas unless we judge Neco to be good enough to trust with more than the odd cup game.
 
Chamberlain and Phillips I think are the dead certs to leave.

Salah business needs to be sorted out this summer. We would be crazy to not accept a high bid.

Gomez is 50/50.
 
Gomez will be gone as long as a stupid offer comes in. Villa, Newcastle will no doubt get in a bidding war.
 
keniget said:
We've got some big decisions to make this summer and I hope that we do make them rather than kick the can down the road.

The futures of Salah, Mane and Firmino need sorting out. We can't let them all leave on a free next summer (if that's when their contracts expire).

The midfield is in need of some work and we need a right sided Tsimikas unless we judge Neco to be good enough to trust with more than the odd cup game.
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All sounds a bit Arsenal with the forwards. We need to choose wisely with who stays, with the data, the finances and no sentiment. I don’t think we can afford 2 or 300k passengers should they sharply decline.

I’ve really enjoyed this newly found forward depth, i hope we don’t lose it in the first possible transfer window
 
Karius, Adrian, Ben Woodburn, Ben Davies, Ox, Div, Neco - have all seen their last season
Mini and Gomez will have appreciated in value, in my view the club should cash in. Milner should hang his boot. Kieta should be sold too, just unreliable.
 
bluebell said:
Karius, Adrian, Ben Woodburn, Ben Davies, Ox, Div, Neco - have all seen their last season
Mini and Gomez will have appreciated in value, in my view the club should cash in. Milner should hang his boot. Kieta should be sold too, just unreliable.
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So just the 11 players then?
 
I think we have too many midfielders, while too few of them are of the required quality\reliability. I would do major surgery in that area and if 3-4 unreliable midfielders need to be sold to accommodate a couple of good ones, so be it.

How is Nate Phillips doing at Bournemouth? Are the fans happy with him?
 
rurikbird said:
I think we have too many midfielders, while too few of them are of the required quality\reliability. I would do major surgery in that area and if 3-4 unreliable midfielders need to be sold to accommodate a couple of good ones, so be it.

How is Nate Phillips doing at Bournemouth? Are the fans happy with him?
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They're 4 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss with him starting at CB. 6 points clear in 2nd place (automatic promotion) and 2 games in hand.
Looks like they'll get that 2nd spot and clinch promotion at this rate. 10 games to go.

Dont know if the fans are happy with him, but Whoscored have him at 7,00 average rating from those games with 5,2 averaged clearances and 4,3 averaged headers won.
Doing his job I reckon.
 
rurikbird said:
I think we have too many midfielders, while too few of them are of the required quality\reliability. I would do major surgery in that area and if 3-4 unreliable midfielders need to be sold to accommodate a couple of good ones, so be it.

How is Nate Phillips doing at Bournemouth? Are the fans happy with him?
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Chelsea have 11 recognised and experienced midfielders. City have 9, United have 7 and Arsenal have 7. We currently have 8 (not including youngsters from the U21). How many do you suggest we consolidate to for 63+ games a season (plus the inevitable loss of at least 2 maybe 3 at one time to injuries caused by playing so many games)? 4 out and 2 in reduces us to 6. That number is clearly not viable whilst no team can expect all of their midfielders to be at (or even close to) the same level of proficiency.

If you mean we are hanging onto players e.g. Milner when we should be more ruthless and bringing in better / younger players then I agree to an extent. However the usual names that would come up in this conversation because of their injury records (even if those injuries were caused by massively reckless challenges or Covid) are Thiago who has an incredible winning record when he plays - so even if that's in just half of our matches (it'll likely be close to 40 by season's end) it gives us a greater chance of winning those matches.
Keita (we have few better pressers, ball winners) and, Hendo & Fabs aside, our other midfielders are youngsters (Jones, Elliott, not inc. Morton from U21) and Ox. (who almost everyone is in agreement on). So who are these players you'd replace ? And for whom? Because you are sounding a bit like Bluebell here.

Personally I'd like to see Millie out for Bellingham and Carvalho in for Ox. But that's it. We can not afford a reduction in the number of our midfielders. Six?! Come on Rurik.
Improving overall quality is a worthy aim but a reduction in the numbers is clearly not desirable nor feasible when we are currently playing more games than any other team in the league/europe.
 
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Frogfish said:
Sell them all ! Then we can start again with the obscure players you keep posting with comments along the lines of : 'we should buy this guy' !
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Karius and Adrian are two clamateous keepers who cost the club over £5m per year to keep away from the 1st team
Ben Woodburn isn't good enough would have been sold last year but we had no offers
Ben Davies, he is 60k week, told is a MU fan, isn't any good even for the bench, you want to loan him out again?
Ox last 15m or so of his contract, has had way too many injuries, heard he was like sour lemon after League cup win because he didn't get any mins.
Div is walking for free, he knows he will get minutes elsewhere.
Neco, I don't think he is liverpool standard and he was available for £10m in the summer. If a £10m + offer came in for him I would sell
Ojo, another not good enough was available in the summer for sale, yet no bids
There is 8 player's there none of whom even really impact the 1st team, only 2 are really at best bench warmers.
Milner is 36 keep him and move him to backroom staff
Gomez is a 4th choice CB, and 2nd choice RB. He isn't happy with the minutes he is seeing, and. with his injury record could get worse
Kieta's again injury and his contract ending in 2023 means I would rather sell if an offer came in for 30m plus or renew if the offers are not close.
Mini again if someone was to bid £20m, I would sell.
We need RB cover, and top of my list is Djed Spence.
Nat gets promoted to 4th choice CB
Ward-prowse comes in
along with Ruben Neves.
Guades or Gakpo to take Mini and Div's place. Either one is an upgrade.

What's so unreasonable about this?
 
The midfield is not an area where I see an awful lot of change this summer to be honest. I can see Ox leaving and Carvalho coming in, but that is about it. I guess it is possible that if we get the chance of a big money signing like Bellingham then perhaps Keita or even Thiago might make way, but that probably won’t be planned.

The defence and attack are the areas where we might see more movement, possibly because it is forced upon us.

As things stand, our defence is okay. We have good players in all positions and decent back up. The problem will be if any of them want to leave. We may ultimately have that issue with Tsimikas. I think he will eventually look elsewhere, but I don’t think it will be this summer.

The issue this summer will be Gomez. He won’t want another season like this one. He’s behind VVD, Matip and Konate in the centre and behind TAA at right back, where I doubt he wants to play anyway. I can’t see him being happy with that. So if he goes, we need another centre back and another right back. In theory, we can just keep Phillips and Neco, but I don’t think we will.

Up front, the contracts for Salah, Mane and Firmino will dictate this. I can see all of them staying but I can just as easily see any one of them leaving. Salah looks the most likely to go at the moment, sadly.

If they do all stay then I can see both Minamino and Origi moving on. It’s not as if they are getting many games as the moment, and it’s likely we will see someone like Gordon getting more chances next season too.
 
bluebell said:
Karius and Adrian are two clamateous keepers who cost the club over £5m per year to keep away from the 1st team
Ben Woodburn isn't good enough would have been sold last year but we had no offers
Ben Davies, he is 60k week, told is a MU fan, isn't any good even for the bench, you want to loan him out again?
Ox last 15m or so of his contract, has had way too many injuries, heard he was like sour lemon after League cup win because he didn't get any mins.
Div is walking for free, he knows he will get minutes elsewhere.
Neco, I don't think he is liverpool standard and he was available for £10m in the summer. If a £10m + offer came in for him I would sell
Ojo, another not good enough was available in the summer for sale, yet no bids
There is 8 player's there none of whom even really impact the 1st team, only 2 are really at best bench warmers.
Milner is 36 keep him and move him to backroom staff
Gomez is a 4th choice CB, and 2nd choice RB. He isn't happy with the minutes he is seeing, and. with his injury record could get worse
Kieta's again injury and his contract ending in 2023 means I would rather sell if an offer came in for 30m plus or renew if the offers are not close.
Mini again if someone was to bid £20m, I would sell.
We need RB cover, and top of my list is Djed Spence.
Nat gets promoted to 4th choice CB
Ward-prowse comes in
along with Ruben Neves.
Guades or Gakpo to take Mini and Div's place. Either one is an upgrade.

What's so unreasonable about this?
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a) unrealistic
b) the players you are suggesting as replacements

You have suggested 8 first team squad players (6 exc. Nat & Neco). Whereas this is Klopp's record of moving on 1st team squad players since he arrived :

2016 : 5 out (however we should remember that this was Klopp's first window in the process of remoulding the team)
2017 : 2 out (Lucas & Sakho)
2018 : 2 out (inc Coutinho - where he had no choice and Klavan)
2019 : 3 (at a stretch - Solanke, Ings, Mignolet)
2020 : 2 (Lallana & Lovren)
2021 : 2 (Gini & Shaq.)

Anyone else was periphery at best, U21 or already out on loan.

Don't forget he just last week described this as the strongest squad we've had under him (and I doubt anybody on here would disagree). And yet you want to sell 6 in one Summer and replace them with players that are nowhere near our level (and I include Ward-Prowse as he's not better than what we've got and you'd probably want to sell him after one season).

For the record I can only see 2 squad players moving (3 if Salah doesn't re-new). Ox. and Origi.
 
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