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Sunlit Uplands

Yay, we handled the virus worse than everyone else but we're now #1 at vaccinations, woohoo

Yeah but the failings didn't really have much to do with Brexit. Unless I'm mistaken? It seemed like totally independent incompetence to me.

But the differential success of the vaccine programmes have plenty to do with Brexit.
 
Yeah but the failings didn't really have much to do with Brexit. Unless I'm mistaken? It seemed like totally independent incompetence to me.

But the differential success of the vaccine programmes have plenty to do with Brexit.
Aye - Same Morons, different shit.

I don't see how any country could benefit from subscribing to the bloc model for distributing medicines etc, Purchasing sure, i'm sure many of the financially fucked EU states are glad to have their sugar daddies buy them but at what cost RE: Supply chain?
 
The reason was probably to show a face of unity.

As for the supply chain, I don't know if any one country sources all of the ingredients for the vaccine within its own borders. So they probably went down that route in case one country tried to shut its borders or something. I dunno.
 
Germany has started buying it’s own vaccine supply recently so not what the jurisdiction is on each EU country buying it themselves anyway.


But on paper does look like vaccine has been advantage UK but we still need actual numbers from our pound shop AZ vaccine to make sure it does protect the critical mass as it was intended. The trials weren’t conclusive, for all it’s worth, it could be as effective as being injected with water but hopefully not obviously.

No excuse for some of the muted threats from EU though, doesn’t show then on a good side for now though...
 
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Meanwhile India are providing their vaccines for free to poor countries (they have two of them, and three more in the pipeline, with barely any production issues, they're just getting on and making them, amazing almost as if there is a thing called engineering, dark arts if you ask me). Funny how when you have a growing economy and an electorate that rejected socialism, you end up in a position of actually being able to do socialist things for those less fortunate, instead of talking about doing them whilst making tony blair thumb gestures to convey how serious you are about the words coming out of your mouth.
 
Germany has started buying it’s own vaccine supply recently so not what the jurisdiction is on each EU country buying it themselves anyway.


But on paper does look like vaccine has been advantage UK but we still need actual numbers from our pound shop AZ vaccine to make sure it does protect the critical mass as it was intended. The trials weren’t conclusive, for all it’s worth, it could be as effective as being injected with water but hopefully not obviously.

No excuse for some of the muted threats from EU though, doesn’t show then on a good side for now though...
We were never given the chance for autonomy regarding covid vaccinations were we ? Was either join the bloc or fuck off , so we did what Johnson's quite adept at doing and fucked off
 
Only 5k Japanese have died ? Mental, did they do things massively differently from us in the covid world or was the culture of face masks and sanitation already promoting lifestyles which helped stem Covid?
 
Appaz they got fucked by Sars so they took it very seriously from day one. Also, it's likely that they've had a cold there that generated an antibody response similar to that needed for this. For example Vietnam and Taiwan have had basically zero cases, and it can't be explained simply by lockdown.
 
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It's fair comment that the EU have fucked up massively with vaccine stuff. They've been slow to approve the vaccines and triggering that Article 16 thing made them look like clueless whoppers. Vaccine rollout is about the only thing the UK government has done well in the last decade. Not sure it qualifies as a sunlit upland of Brexit though. Aren't we doing well due to Brexit despite the fact we've got the highest death rate of any country over 20m people in the world. Not quite skipping down Lollipop Lane is it ? Japan, an island nation, has twice the population of the UK, higher population density and only 5700 deaths.

Meanwhile, news today that Boris' much vaunted UK-US deal isn't going to happen anytime soon. Probably why we're desperately asking to be able to join the Pacific free trade pact thing despite not having a Pacific coast
 
If people are celebrating the impact of Brexit by how well our vaccine roll out is going then shame on them. As Sunny pointed out. All those deaths and billions wasted on contracts and for what?
 
I don't think anyone would say that because we have so far rolled the vaccines out in a much better way than the EU then that means any negative aspects of Brexit go away.

The absolute pigs ear the EU have made (again, so far) of it does give something of an insight into the bureaucratic and actually rather unpleasant way in which they can behave. You can understand therefore why anyone who has argued this is now using this as an example.

As I say though, this alone doesn't make the success or otherwise of Brexit an open shut case. Time will absolutely tell on that. It adds weight to the argument that the EU is a bureaucratic mess, and it is a situation where we have done better without being involved with that, but it doesn't alone prove that not being involved is a good thing on all issues.

Technically, by the way, I am pretty sure we could have gone our own way whilst still being a member of the EU. We wouldn't have done though and I am sure it would have been made very difficult. The difference in supply chains seems very unlikely to have been allowed.
 
Don't know where to put this but Paul Dacre to be made chairman of Ofcom. Hahahaha. The Tories aren't even trying to hide their fascism any more.
 
Appaz they got fucked by Sars so they took it very seriously from day one. Also, it's likely that they've had a cold there that generated an antibody response similar to that needed for this. For example Vietnam and Taiwan have had basically zero cases, and it can't be explained simply by lockdown.

I wouldn't be surprised if the cultures around wearing masks have a huge role in it too (in Japan). Even before a lockdown is announced I bet the whole population is masked up which makes a significant reduction to the R number. Do that early and you're laughing.

They just need to stop the pesky germy Europeans etc. flying in now.
 
First bit of excitement at Larne Harbour ever.
Interesting that the PSNI don't seem to think that there is any involvement of Loyalist paramilitaries in the threatening of customs officials and the intimidating graffiti.
If this campaign continues I suspect that that the DUP will end up having paint on their hands.
 
Interesting that the PSNI don't seem to think that there is any involvement of Loyalist paramilitaries in the threatening of customs officials and the intimidating graffiti.
If this campaign continues I suspect that that the DUP will end up having paint on their hands.


I mean... it’s probably my sister that’s been doing the wall painting because she’s bored... or something.

DUP are a little too mainstream for most of the Larne nutters.
 
I mean... it’s probably my sister that’s been doing the wall painting because she’s bored... or something.

DUP are a little too mainstream for most of the Larne nutters.
TUV is on the up according to the latest opinion polls.
The hardcore DUP support seems to be leaking that way.
The shitstorm created by the EU over article 16 has been a god send to them as they try and dig themselves out of the hole of their own making
 
Teething problems...

“The volume of exports going through British ports to the EU fell by a staggering 68% last month compared with January last year, mostly as a result of problems caused by Brexit, the Observer can reveal.

The dramatic drop in the volume of traffic carried on ferries and through the Channel tunnel has been reported to Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove by the Road Haulage Association after a survey of its international members. In a letter to Gove dated 1 February, the RHA’s chief executive, Richard Burnett, also told the minister he and his officials had repeatedly warned over several months of problems and called for measures to lessen difficulties – but had been largely ignored.


In particular he had made clear throughout last year there was an urgent need to increase the number of customs agents to help firms with mountains of extra paperwork. The number now, around 10,000, is still about a fifth of what the RHA says is required to handle the massive increase in paperwork facing exporters.

Burnett told the Observer that in addition to the 68% fall-off in exports, about 65%-75% of vehicles that had come over from the EU were going back empty because there were no goods for them to return with, due to hold-ups on the UK side, and because some UK companies had either temporarily or permanently halted exports to the EU. “I find it deeply frustrating and annoying that ministers have chosen not to listen to the industry and experts,” he said.

Michael Gove arrives at 10 Downing Street
Michael Gove. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
Contact with Gove had been limited and had achieved little over recent months. “Michael Gove is the master of extracting information from you and giving nothing back,” he said. “He responds on WhatsApp and says he got the letter but no written response comes. Pretty much every time we have written over the last six months he has not responded in writing. He tends to get officials to start working on things. But the responses are a complete waste of time because they don’t listen to what the issues were that we raised in the first place.”
 
I'm no fan of the government, but having worked specifically on 'transit outbound', there's capacity & staff to deal with it.

I was in charge of one team who had done training for two months to be ready to deal with it. There's thousands of trained staff waiting to do them, most now working tax & covid support work whilst they await the normal level of exports to resume.

Now why they aren't exporting, I don't know, if I were to guess I'd say very few know the new procedures, which is down to the government, but mostly down to the fact the deal was agreed so late that the relevant departments couldn't write their guidance until very late.

Add homeworkers, furloughed staff & Christmas leave, & I think loads of firms will only just be getting to grips with it all now.
 
How ironic that our gammony flavoured Brexiteers continually moaned about EU bureaucracy and we ended up leaving only to be landed with absolutely shit loads of bureaucracy. Absolutely laughable. Biggest con job ever but, hats off to them, they sold their snake oil effectively to just enough of the nation even though there appears to be fuck all benefits at all so far. Oh hang on, yeh we're managing to get our vaccine out quick which we likely could have done anyway. Where the fuck are the sunlit uplands??
 
Speaking of Gammons

Interesting Read..

Remember Lord Digby Jones who in 2016 reassured people that a vote to leave the EU would not result in a single job in Britain being lost. ??

What the list reveals is not only his ignorance of British industry but a similar ignorance about the very nature of how the single market and the customs union works.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/the-digby-jones-index/
 
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