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Sunlit Uplands

The good news is that she plans to throw herself off a tall building on her first day.

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Why did you reply? You'll just encourage him.

There was no reply pending. I do hope the extent of the emotional damage caused by the thought of me replying was not too severe. Lord knows you must have much else to worry about in these times. Good luck.
 
There was no reply pending. I do hope the extent of the emotional damage caused by the thought of me replying was not too severe. Lord knows you must have much else to worry about in these times. Good luck.
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Other than being able to quickly sort out vaccines for COVID there hasn't been one single, tangible benefit for leaving. Even the Telegraph are struggling to scape the barrel and find something.

We're sleep walking into a recession and it's likely the effects will be longer lasting than those in the Euro zone. The amount of paperwork for seeking the EU has doubled, buyers of UK products are sending them back due to further charges at the door stop, the lories backlog are a shit show of bad management, the free trade deals we've signed elsewhere are having a minimal impact due to them being thousands of miles away and it cost stupid money to ship goods there, the UK is well on the path to being broken up.

A significant percentage of this country were used and lied to so, all so Johnson could achieve his end goal of becoming Prime Minster.

The Tories are refusing to even mention Brexit is a factor on the economy tanking, Labour offer no alternative on the issue. Starmer is on record saying Johnson signed a awful deal, but he'll do his best to make it work rather than having the balls to offer a real alternative or make any compromise with the EU.

Brexit is like when a dog shits in the corner of a dinner party. Brexit is the shit. The Tories are the dog, both responsible but unwilling to admit fault, and Labour are the overly polite guests, refusing to say anything as the stench of shite fills the air and floods their nostrils.

What a mess.
 
Other than being able to quickly sort out vaccines for COVID there hasn't been one single, tangible benefit for leaving. Even the Telegraph are struggling to scape the barrel and find something.

We're sleep walking into a recession and it's likely the effects will be longer lasting than those in the Euro zone. The amount of paperwork for seeking the EU has doubled, buyers of UK products are sending them back due to further charges at the door stop, the lories backlog are a shit show of bad management, the free trade deals we've signed elsewhere are having a minimal impact due to them being thousands of miles away and it cost stupid money to ship goods there, the UK is well on the path to being broken up.

A significant percentage of this country were used and lied to so, all so Johnson could achieve his end goal of becoming Prime Minster.

The Tories are refusing to even mention Brexit is a factor on the economy tanking, Labour offer no alternative on the issue. Starmer is on record saying Johnson signed a awful deal, but he'll do his best to make it work rather than having the balls to offer a real alternative or make any compromise with the EU.

Brexit is like when a dog shits in the corner of a dinner party. Brexit is the shit. The Tories are the dog, both responsible but unwilling to admit fault, and Labour are the overly polite guests, refusing to say anything as the stench of shite fills the air and floods their nostrils.

What a mess.
Starmer can't say anything else really. The country isn't on its knees enough to beg the EU for a way back. Therefore the majority would probably vote to leave again. Therefore for Starmer to say anything else prior to a GE, is an open goal for the Tories.
 
I'm referencing the purchase of vaccines, not the development. The EU had to bulk buy and distribute fairly among the member states, which took time and put the UK a month or so ahead.
Which is also covered by that webpage, and also not true.

What about the EU?

Countries in the EU have agreed to work together in their approach to dealing with the pandemic
In June, the European Commission called for a “common strategy” between member states and proposed a “central procurement process” for purchasing vaccines.
In October, it said it was “imperative that member states follow a common vaccination strategy for vaccine deployment [...] Coordination at EU level is required to align our efforts, to ensure and to show solidarity, and to best ensure the full functioning of the internal market, good public health management for Covid-19 matters and beyond, and the protection of all EU citizens no matter where they live.”
If the UK was not leaving the EU, the country may have chosen to follow this “common strategy” and move at the same pace as other members. However, it is not a legal requirement. The EMA has said it plans to make a final decision on whether to authorise the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine by 29 December at the latest.
 
They were able to vaccinate the population much quicker than Europe, that's surely indisputable. If they were in the EU that wouldn't have happened.

It's entirely disputable. By reading the document I just posted.

We were under no obligation to follow the EU purchasing strategy.

We were still under the transition agreement and were following EU laws when we did our vaccine purchasing, so the EU law did not slow us down.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/covid-vaccine-decisions-brexit

"As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones."
 
Starmer can't say anything else really. The country isn't on its knees enough to beg the EU for a way back. Therefore the majority would probably vote to leave again. Therefore for Starmer to say anything else prior to a GE, is an open goal for the Tories.

This.

Although - if Truss becomes PM at least she can’t attack Starmer for campaigning for Remain - because she also did, do the issue might be detoxified slightly.

Starmer’s best line of attack is to get the Tories to explain the benefits and try to explain what’s causing problems if it’s not Brexit - with the only alternatives being the 2 things they’re championing as getting right - COVID & Ukraine.
 
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