Sunlit Uplands
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Well... Boris is trying to out-spend & out-borrow every labour government since the 1970’s.
It’s probably all too confusing for her.
I'm not sure. Abbott quitting now just doesn't add up.
She gave us this, which I will always appreciate:
Plus she looked like Thulsa Doom, which was also amusing
Plus she looked like Thulsa Doom, which was also amusing
She was only ever twenty four hours from Thulsa.
I'd love to think there's some grand plan going on here and it's all just bluster to sort a deal, but today's announcement that we're withdrawing from the European Arrest Warrrant treaty and not seeking access to their systems just seems nuts. Is it just for the sake of it or what? I suppose the upside is I could just sell a load of smack and then hide out on the costa del sol for the rest of my life like back in the good old days.
The North-South drug trade will really take off.
The other thing to note is the UK and Ireland never had access to the Schengen Information System , so that's no change for the UK.
Ireland is getting SIS access this year. I know the solicitors in the EAW section in the State Solicitors office are shitting themselves about it. They do 500 EAW's on average a year. I did a few when I did on call stints a few years ago. The way someone gets picked up on an EAW is typically by accident i.e. they do something else to come to the attention of the Guards, they're arrested and then the Guards do some checks and find the outstanding EAW.
They've been told in year one of SIS access they can expect to have 20,000 EAW's to deal with. Because they will be provided with a list of each and every offender or wanted suspect in the Country.
And Woland wonders why I think the free movement directive is a pile of shit. 20,000 criminals are wandering around Ireland that would be refused entry were they not EU nationals.
Ireland is getting SIS access this year. I know the solicitors in the EAW section in the State Solicitors office are shitting themselves about it. They do 500 EAW's on average a year. I did a few when I did on call stints a few years ago. The way someone gets picked up on an EAW is typically by accident i.e. they do something else to come to the attention of the Guards, they're arrested and then the Guards do some checks and find the outstanding EAW.
They've been told in year one of SIS access they can expect to have 20,000 EAW's to deal with. Because they will be provided with a list of each and every offender or wanted suspect in the Country.
And Woland wonders why I think the free movement directive is a pile of shit. 20,000 criminals are wandering around Ireland that would be refused entry were they not EU nationals.
Visa systems cut that out so it doesn't need to be dealt with at the border. People usually have to provide a certificate confirming their lack of a criminal record - people won't be able to travel to the UK at all if they have a criminal record. Then you also don't have to deal with the bullshit asylum claims by people refused entry at a port.
You've already got the largest paedo groups outside the Catholic church and are still refusing to release the report into those gangs. You've got the largest Albanian gangs outside Albania and Italy.
Don't sell yourselves short, you're doing great on the criminal front already.
For Ireland - SIS access will only frustrate the immigration officers at the boarder. They're already fed up of allowing criminals into the country because of the free movement directive.
Albanians and the paedo gangs you're on about aren't in the EU. We could have kept them out already, but for whatever reason, didn't. Maybe it's because migration is needed for the nation to grow, is constantly shown to be essential to our most important industries, has a net benefit at the treasury, and immigrants are no less likely to commit crime than UK natives - so we should have systems in place to monitor stuff, instead of fucking it all off and ending up with the worst of all worlds.
The Albanians all have false Italian documents and avail of free movement on them. Sometimes via Ireland and over the border.
The paedo gangs are a result of visa policy in respect of former colonies. And most were second generation I think , weren't they ?
Doesn't that undermine a lot of the globalist arguments about integration over time etc ?
That's exactly my point. Have systems in place at ports of entry to keep bad guys out. Instead, we're just binning everything we already did have on criminal cooperation.
And yeah we could do more with welfare etc even now while we're still kinda in the EU, not that it would have helped with Albanian gangs or grooming gangs, and not that it will help in those kinda cases after brexit either.
And yeah we could do more with welfare etc even now while we're still kinda in the EU, not that it would have helped with Albanian gangs or grooming gangs, and not that it will help in those kinda cases after brexit either.
I don't think you understand the full extent of the free movement directive. You're not permitted to refuse entry to a European because they have criminal convictions. You have to allow them in, wait until they're convincted in the State and then fight an uphill battle to remove them - a country has to show they present an ongoing threat to the public, not simply has a past conviction.
And the UK didn't have that info before and post Brexit has another way to deal with it.
Free movement is not limited on the way you think either because the Directive allows a person to bring anyone from anywhere in the world provided they are a qualifying family member. That's why all of Ireland's free movement litigation involves UK nationals bringing in half of Pakistan - which is where your paedo gangs come from. We now have them on a smaller scale because of the Free Movement Directive.
And the UK didn't have that info before and post Brexit has another way to deal with it.
Free movement is not limited on the way you think either because the Directive allows a person to bring anyone from anywhere in the world provided they are a qualifying family member. That's why all of Ireland's free movement litigation involves UK nationals bringing in half of Pakistan - which is where your paedo gangs come from. We now have them on a smaller scale because of the Free Movement Directive.
You're right, I'm talking about people who have warrants out for their arrest and not just any old criminals. I do remember our papers going nuts because there were 5000 EU criminals roaming the UK streets a few years ago. But last week it was revealed we never told the EU that 75,000 British criminals are living there. So it seems we're doing ok on balance there too.
Why we wouldn't share this data is beyond me. Why we're stopping cooperation is even less understandable.
Why we wouldn't share this data is beyond me. Why we're stopping cooperation is even less understandable.
Not Italy?
I am told that [Boris] Johnson’s response when presented with inconvenient truths is to cover his ears and hum the national anthem until the bearers of the bad news go away. One of the things that gets him humming most loudly is the hard evidence that falling back on WTO rules would decimate Britain’s professional services businesses.
Home Office top man Philip Rutnam basically calling out Priti Patel to be a vicious bullying Tory twat in his resignation speech. Who’d have guessed ? Maybe she can get one of her 8m economically inactive to take his job. How she’s even back in government after the Israel shit is a disgrace.
So is this Priti Patel bitch getting the boot or what then? Seems to be closing in on her now with others coming out of the woodwork with history with her. Philip Rutnam (he's a sir so possibly in the peado gang) is going to sue for constructive dismissal by the looks of it.
She might do I guess. The govt has launched an inquiry because if there is a complaint about the ministerial code then that is what has to happen.
Important to look at the full picture really though. I mean, Priti Patel might well be a bully for all we know, but equally Rutnam might just not have been very good at his job.
The opposition is calling for Patel to go, or be suspended or whatever, because that is what oppositions do. They will call for cabinet ministers to go for any reason that they can find. When the Tories were in opposition they did this as well. They also know full well what the process is for dealing with complaints, which is to refer it to the cabinet office.
Interesting also that when a Tory minister (Patel) is accused of bulling the Labour response is that she should be sacked or suspended immediately even before any case is heard, but when a speaker who they like is accused of bullying (Bercow) he should be elevated to the House of Lords to sit alongside some of his accusers, but I guess that is politics for you as well (and yes, you'd easily find the same kind of double standards elsewhere)
Yeah, but he's a sir so possibly in the peado (sic) gang
I didn't even know where to start with that one, so I didn't.
