Teams that changed managers
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I can't see how this opinion can be proven it seems conceptually unproven and factually incorrect.
You can't 'equalize all other factors' (except in a controlled experiment) and there has been no analysis I'm aware of as to whether a team fares better with or without a manager. I can only think of the anecdotal evidence of caretaker managers which, as you'd expect, is a random business of successes and failures.
Factually, points total needs to cover all games or it has no significance in a value judgment.
I think an expensively assembled group of players with no manager would be disorganized and unlikely to meld into a team of it's own accord.
And the others:
Southampton - Adkins 23 points in 22 games. Pocchetino 16 games, 18 points.
Tottenham - sacked Harry after finishing 4th with 69 points. Appointed AVB, they finish 5th with 72 points.
Liverpool - 8th with 52 points under Kenny, spent significantly in the windows and finished 7th with 61 points under Rodgers.
West Brom - 10th with 47 points under Hodgson, 8th with 49 points under Clarke.
Swansea - 11th with 47 points under Rodgers. 9th with 46 points under Laudrup.
Aston Villa - 16th with 38 points under McLeish, 15th with 41 points under Lambert after spending 20m net.
Is there any coincidence that these new managers have brought the best out of certain players and/or made some splendid signings and have done considerably well/set records despite the different difficulties faced? Tottenham (Bale) Liverpool (Suarez, Coutinho, Sturridge), West Brom (Lukaku), Swansea (Michu), Aston Villa (Weimann, Benteke)...
rosco thinks he's the karl marx of football.
Harry Redknapp on promoted club's British managers.
Yep, right up their harris.
I think it is true that with any given group of players, changing the manager will not have a terribly great effect between one season and the next. But this completely ignores a few key points:
(1) Managers determine the players that will be bought or sold. It's an inextricable part of the job. They determine the profile of players that the club scouts for, the style of play and usually have a direct say. They also attract players or chase them away with their reputation / personality and man-management. Over a transition season this is not apparent but over a long period the influence of a manager is tremendous. The Arsenal and Man Utd are imprinted with Ferguson / Arsene.
(2) Managers may not be able to turn a group of poor quality players into a CL team, but things like thrash-talking, tactics, subs, motivational talks, training, set pieces etc do affect games sufficiently to earn or lose a few points. Those few points are crucial to teams vying for the league position or relegation. It's why Mourinho is so sought after. It's just that little edge he has. To say that it doesn't matter is like saying goalkeepers or right backs don't matter. Of course it bloody matters.
Which brings me to:
(3) The reason why you don't see managers changing the fortunes of teams much in the EPL is because by and large the managers in the league aren't all that different. They are like goalkeepers. Goalkeepers don't make much difference because all the EPL goalkeepers are of the requisite standard. Try installing one of these Shebby Singh types and you'll see the difference.
(1) Managers determine the players that will be bought or sold. It's an inextricable part of the job. They determine the profile of players that the club scouts for, the style of play and usually have a direct say. They also attract players or chase them away with their reputation / personality and man-management. Over a transition season this is not apparent but over a long period the influence of a manager is tremendous. The Arsenal and Man Utd are imprinted with Ferguson / Arsene.
(2) Managers may not be able to turn a group of poor quality players into a CL team, but things like thrash-talking, tactics, subs, motivational talks, training, set pieces etc do affect games sufficiently to earn or lose a few points. Those few points are crucial to teams vying for the league position or relegation. It's why Mourinho is so sought after. It's just that little edge he has. To say that it doesn't matter is like saying goalkeepers or right backs don't matter. Of course it bloody matters.
Which brings me to:
(3) The reason why you don't see managers changing the fortunes of teams much in the EPL is because by and large the managers in the league aren't all that different. They are like goalkeepers. Goalkeepers don't make much difference because all the EPL goalkeepers are of the requisite standard. Try installing one of these Shebby Singh types and you'll see the difference.
So I hear Harry's a racist now...
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