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Well, it's been as dry as a granny's cunt on here recently, so let's analyze our favorite rivals start to the season, shall we?

- 6 pl games played, one loss yet already top of the table. Traditionally, they're slow starters, but this year is their best start to a campaign for ages.

- Rock solid defence and an attack that's hardly looked short of an idea going forward.

- Giggs and Scholes look 18 again - and that cunt Rooney is looking an easy bet for Player of the Year.


Ronaldo and Tevez departures were supposed to put an end to my misery - not cause some kind of renaissance within the team. Last season, they looked utterly toothless when Ronaldo was out, so far this season, they look like they don't remember who he was.


People questioned whether Ferguson had lost his marbles.....I admit, I underestimated his ability to motivate a pretty ordinary team on paper.

Who will laugh last?
 
I'm not really sure it matters who they buy or sell any more, I'll still have a pound on them to win it. Someone tell me I'm wrong.

Please.
 
They looked absolutely awful luckily beating Brimingham 1-0
They looked absolutely awful well beaten by Burnley 0-1
They looked absolutely awful for 60 mins against Wigan before Wigan pressed the self-destruct button.
They were outplayed by Arsenal for 60 mins before United had a man sent off and they suddenly found 2 gears.

They have looked superb against Spurs & Man City but again struggled to overcome Wolfsberg in the CL.

I have seen every one of their matches bar Wolfsberg so far this season : they have definitely got more points than they deserve and I still don't see them lasting the course (as I said earlier I don't expect Giggs & Scholes to last the season without copious amounts of rest and in that case their replacements are just not good enough) unless they buy well in January.

Despite our slow & stuttering start if Aquilani helps to solidify our midfield and Agger our defence we have every chance this season.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36235.msg956154#msg956154 date=1254496848]
They looked absolutely awful luckily beating Brimingham 1-0
They looked absolutely awful well beaten by Burnley 0-1
They looked absolutely awful for 60 mins against Wigan before Wigan pressed the self-destruct button.
They were outplayed by Arsenal for 60 mins before United had a man sent off and they suddenly found 2 gears.

They have looked superb against Spurs & Man City but again struggled to overcome Wolfsberg in the CL.

I have seen every one of their matches bar Wolfsberg so far this season : they have definitely got more points than they deserve and I still don't see them lasting the course (as I said earlier I don't expect Giggs & Scholes to last the season without copious amounts of rest and in that case their replacements are just not good enough) unless they buy well in January.

Despite our slow & stuttering start if Aquilani helps to solidify our midfield and Agger our defence we have every chance this season.
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Agree with all of that. They have not been convincing at all in most games. Getting Agger back will be important and am looking forward to seeing Aquilani.
 
they'll be there or thereabouts, that much is obvious, but their best player right now is a 36 year old left winger.

i think they're papering over the cracks to some degree.
 
They have the winning habit. We ourselves benefited from that in the glory days when, man for man, there were sometimes equally good teams out there.

There's no question they'll be in the mix, but like some others here I don't think they are as strong as they were. If they hadn't had Ronaldo last season we'd have won the league. It's up to us to go on out there and finish the job this time around.
 
United looked shite for large chunks of last season, and struggled but managed to win the EPL still
 
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=36235.msg956161#msg956161 date=1254497370]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36235.msg956154#msg956154 date=1254496848]
They looked absolutely awful luckily beating Brimingham 1-0
They looked absolutely awful well beaten by Burnley 0-1
They looked absolutely awful for 60 mins against Wigan before Wigan pressed the self-destruct button.
They were outplayed by Arsenal for 60 mins before United had a man sent off and they suddenly found 2 gears.

They have looked superb against Spurs & Man City but again struggled to overcome Wolfsberg in the CL.

I have seen every one of their matches bar Wolfsberg so far this season : they have definitely got more points than they deserve and I still don't see them lasting the course (as I said earlier I don't expect Giggs & Scholes to last the season without copious amounts of rest and in that case their replacements are just not good enough) unless they buy well in January.

Despite our slow & stuttering start if Aquilani helps to solidify our midfield and Agger our defence we have every chance this season.
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Agree with all of that. They have not been convincing at all in most games. Getting Agger back will be important and am looking forward to seeing Aquilani.
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I think that makes me more depressed.

They are convincing.

Agger is still on the table and, lets face facts, he's a centre back not Marco Van Basten.

Aquilani best be a much better than Xabi otherwise WTF? Can't see it.

Mmmm, great...
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36235.msg956170#msg956170 date=1254497790]
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=36235.msg956161#msg956161 date=1254497370]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36235.msg956154#msg956154 date=1254496848]
They looked absolutely awful luckily beating Brimingham 1-0
They looked absolutely awful well beaten by Burnley 0-1
They looked absolutely awful for 60 mins against Wigan before Wigan pressed the self-destruct button.
They were outplayed by Arsenal for 60 mins before United had a man sent off and they suddenly found 2 gears.

They have looked superb against Spurs & Man City but again struggled to overcome Wolfsberg in the CL.

I have seen every one of their matches bar Wolfsberg so far this season : they have definitely got more points than they deserve and I still don't see them lasting the course (as I said earlier I don't expect Giggs & Scholes to last the season without copious amounts of rest and in that case their replacements are just not good enough) unless they buy well in January.

Despite our slow & stuttering start if Aquilani helps to solidify our midfield and Agger our defence we have every chance this season.
[/quote]

Agree with all of that. They have not been convincing at all in most games. Getting Agger back will be important and am looking forward to seeing Aquilani.
[/quote]

I think that makes me more depressed.

They are convincing.

Agger is still on the table and, lets face facts, he's a centre back not Marco Van Basten.

Aquilani best be a much better than Xabi otherwise WTF? Can't see it.

Mmmm, great...

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His equal would improve us.
 
Once a team has won a title a few times it really can keep chugging away even when the squad gets weakened. Take Kenny's last two seasons: a pretty poor team, in comparison to what went before. It won the title largely because of the sheer professionalism of some very confident pros (and the mediocrity of the opposition), and even when Kenny left the team was still over-performing in terms of its position in the league. That's why I've never really subscribed to the 'it's hard to win it but it's harder to win it again' adage. You don't fall from the top, you slide, slowly, like a Bond villain hanging by his steel fingertips from the edge of a cliff. So, no, I'd never expect the mancs to be anywhere other than close to the top until spring time, even with a worse team than they've got now. There's just too much accumulated experience and expertise for a rapid and dramatic decline.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36235.msg956175#msg956175 date=1254498142]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=36235.msg956170#msg956170 date=1254497790]
[quote author=Biggus Dickus link=topic=36235.msg956161#msg956161 date=1254497370]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36235.msg956154#msg956154 date=1254496848]
They looked absolutely awful luckily beating Brimingham 1-0
They looked absolutely awful well beaten by Burnley 0-1
They looked absolutely awful for 60 mins against Wigan before Wigan pressed the self-destruct button.
They were outplayed by Arsenal for 60 mins before United had a man sent off and they suddenly found 2 gears.

They have looked superb against Spurs & Man City but again struggled to overcome Wolfsberg in the CL.

I have seen every one of their matches bar Wolfsberg so far this season : they have definitely got more points than they deserve and I still don't see them lasting the course (as I said earlier I don't expect Giggs & Scholes to last the season without copious amounts of rest and in that case their replacements are just not good enough) unless they buy well in January.

Despite our slow & stuttering start if Aquilani helps to solidify our midfield and Agger our defence we have every chance this season.
[/quote]

Agree with all of that. They have not been convincing at all in most games. Getting Agger back will be important and am looking forward to seeing Aquilani.
[/quote]

I think that makes me more depressed.

They are convincing.

Agger is still on the table and, lets face facts, he's a centre back not Marco Van Basten.

Aquilani best be a much better than Xabi otherwise WTF? Can't see it.

Mmmm, great...

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His equal would improve us.
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How?
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36235.msg956125#msg956125 date=1254494485]
Please tell me how the fuck Rooney is looking a sure fire bet for payer of the year?
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Are you serious Paddy? He's been absolutely on fire......for club and country. This year, not only is he driving the team on with his raw power and assists, but his goal tally is looking mighty impressive too.

I wouldn't be surprised if paddypower (no pun intended) had stopped taking bets on the cunt to win it already.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36235.msg956154#msg956154 date=1254496848]
They looked absolutely awful luckily beating Brimingham 1-0
They looked absolutely awful well beaten by Burnley 0-1
They looked absolutely awful for 60 mins against Wigan before Wigan pressed the self-destruct button.
They were outplayed by Arsenal for 60 mins before United had a man sent off and they suddenly found 2 gears.

They have looked superb against Spurs & Man City but again struggled to overcome Wolfsberg in the CL.

I have seen every one of their matches bar Wolfsberg so far this season : they have definitely got more points than they deserve and I still don't see them lasting the course (as I said earlier I don't expect Giggs & Scholes to last the season without copious amounts of rest and in that case their replacements are just not good enough) unless they buy well in January.

Despite our slow & stuttering start if Aquilani helps to solidify our midfield and Agger our defence we have every chance this season.
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Sorry Frog, I know you were adamant this was the end in that thread you started a few weeks ago - but as others have stated they played shite for large parts of last season and still won.

GK nailed it with his observations on the Liverpool team from yesteryear.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=36235.msg956212#msg956212 date=1254503033]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=36235.msg956125#msg956125 date=1254494485]
Please tell me how the fuck Rooney is looking a sure fire bet for payer of the year?
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Are you serious Paddy? He's been absolutely on fire......for club and country. This year, not only is he driving the team on with his raw power and assists, but his goal tally is looking mighty impressive too.

I wouldn't be surprised if paddypower (no pun intended) had stopped taking bets on the cunt to win it already.
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He has no assists in the premier league yet. He has 6 goals. Torres has 8.

What's your point?
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36235.msg956176#msg956176 date=1254498153]
Once a team has won a title a few times it really can keep chugging away even when the squad gets weakened. Take Kenny's last two seasons: a pretty poor team, in comparison to what went before. It won the title largely because of the sheer professionalism of some very confident pros (and the mediocrity of the opposition), and even when Kenny left the team was still over-performing in terms of its position in the league. That's why I've never really subscribed to the 'it's hard to win it but it's harder to win it again' adage. You don't fall from the top, you slide, slowly, like a Bond villain hanging by his steel fingertips from the edge of a cliff. So, no, I'd never expect the mancs to be anywhere other than close to the top until spring time, even with a worse team than they've got now. There's just too much accumulated experience and expertise for a rapid and dramatic decline.
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Great post.
 
It all comes to an end sometime mate. I am convinced this season they will not win it - or finish in the top 2 for allthe reasons I've mentioned previously but with the January Transfer Window caveat. If we get our act together and avoid serious injuries to Torres / Gerrard then we will be in that top2 with Chelsea, I've convinced myself of that 😉

Firstly look at the table, we are only 3 points behind them having played largely shite and with players considered squad members at the beginning of the season (Lucas, Insua, Zorba) and missing some players considered 1st teamers for the most part (Aurelio, Aquilani, Agger, Masherano in part). For a team without much depth to our squad those players are a big miss.

Once we switch into gear, which will come once Carra settles down (probably with Agger alongside him), Masherano regains his form and plays regularly giving cover to the defence and confidence to other players to go forward with impunity, Aquilani comes in and Lucas returns to the bench (even though I think he has done quite well in the main) and Aurelio regains form and fitness, I believe we will see us return to the form of the 2nd half of last season - it's not just Xabi we have missed.
 
I said they'd be the team to beat as per usual, as did most people, it's ludicrous to think otherwise.

You have to remember Ronaldo was an amazingly good attacking player, but defensively he offered nothing at all. Now Utd have 11 players defending when they havent got the ball, last season they had 10. That means more possession, better teamwork & a better ethos, more like Utd of old.

That said, they're still not convincing. The way the top teams perform against each other may may have a larger impact this season as things are so tight & that may well be where they slip up.
 
I would never have predicted our defense to be so shaky but I still think they'll finish third behind us and Chelsea.

I'm not that impressed by them.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36235.msg956217#msg956217 date=1254503805]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36235.msg956176#msg956176 date=1254498153]
Once a team has won a title a few times it really can keep chugging away even when the squad gets weakened. Take Kenny's last two seasons: a pretty poor team, in comparison to what went before. It won the title largely because of the sheer professionalism of some very confident pros (and the mediocrity of the opposition), and even when Kenny left the team was still over-performing in terms of its position in the league. That's why I've never really subscribed to the 'it's hard to win it but it's harder to win it again' adage. You don't fall from the top, you slide, slowly, like a Bond villain hanging by his steel fingertips from the edge of a cliff. So, no, I'd never expect the mancs to be anywhere other than close to the top until spring time, even with a worse team than they've got now. There's just too much accumulated experience and expertise for a rapid and dramatic decline.
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Great post.
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Agreed. It's spot on.
 
the scum last season reminded me of the arsenal unbeaten title run.

all downhill afterwards is what i'm hoping.

they need to rebuild a new team and if the likes of valencia, anderson, berbatov and nani are anything to go by i don't think i'm being too ambitious in thinking one good push and we'll see the back of them for a few years just like arsenal.

there's a huge difference between bringing in new players to a team full of legends and a team led by squad fillers after the legends have moved on or retired.

someone just needs to give them a good hiding and i don't think they'll recover too quick
 
And just who prophisised their collapse?

There's a large difference between recognising that they're just not as strong as last year and proclaiming them finished.

The first part is wholy accurate. The second, nonsense.

As strong as they (always) are, if we win our next three games, WE'LL be top of the league without really hitting top gear yet too... Sign of a good team, that, no?
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=36235.msg956154#msg956154 date=1254496848]
They looked absolutely awful luckily beating Brimingham 1-0
They looked absolutely awful well beaten by Burnley 0-1
They looked absolutely awful for 60 mins against Wigan before Wigan pressed the self-destruct button.
They were outplayed by Arsenal for 60 mins before United had a man sent off and they suddenly found 2 gears.

They have looked superb against Spurs & Man City but again struggled to overcome Wolfsberg in the CL.

I have seen every one of their matches bar Wolfsberg so far this season : they have definitely got more points than they deserve and I still don't see them lasting the course (as I said earlier I don't expect Giggs & Scholes to last the season without copious amounts of rest and in that case their replacements are just not good enough) unless they buy well in January.

Despite our slow & stuttering start if Aquilani helps to solidify our midfield and Agger our defence we have every chance this season.
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I'll now add Sunderland to that list. yeah United have looked fantastic this season and the weaknesses I pointed out in my thread before the season started don't exist :🙂
 
Frog if they were mid table dross your point would be valid. In case you didn't notice, they're
still top - shit form or not.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=36235.msg956729#msg956729 date=1254594697]
Frog if they were mid table dross your point would be valid. In case you didn't notice, they're
still top - shit form or not.
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It is totally valid.

Before the season started I said they were weak in MF and lacking up front and that basically Ronaldo was the difference between them being EPL champions and just another one of the Top 4. I said they will finish 3rd this year ... I stand by all of that. No-one has EVER mentioned mid-table.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=36235.msg956729#msg956729 date=1254594697]
Frog if they were mid table dross your point would be valid. In case you didn't notice, they're
still top - shit form or not.
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Have some patience Terrier, good luck doesn't last all season.
 
I think we all thought 4 points out of the last two matches was highly probable, if not the manner in which they earned them...

This way is better.
 
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