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The Do-Over

I don't have any issues with the sales we've made. Diaz is the only one you can make a case for but if we didn't want to extend on the terms he wanted and / or he wanted to go, the deal was as good as it was going to get and it made sense rather than letting him go on a free.

My priorities were striker, wide forward, midfielder and a central defender.

I did say during the summer that given the striker market was so poor and overpriced, it was perhaps worth keeping our powder dry and waiting to see what's what in 12 months time. I think Ekitike has proven to be a good buy even at the exhorbitant price we paid but Isak always seemed like a risk for me given his injury record. Pace, skill and versatility always seem like winning attributes to me in an attacker - I would've looked for someone with that profile to give us options.

As for midfield, again said at the time, but it was a risk going into this season with an unbalanced group.
 
do we even need hindsight really.

i wouldn’t have sold diaz, i’d have extended him with the intention to push him off to saudi in a couple of years. i wouldn’t have signed wirtz or frimpong. i wouldn’t have signed isak after we landed ekitike. i would have paid extra for guehi and been very interested in mbuemo and perhaps joao pedro. i also would’ve made a big attempt at wharton, failing that possibly reijnders.
 
Maybe I'm a dickhead but I thought Kerkez and Wirtz and Frimpong were the best young players in the world who happened to be available. I didn't know about Ekitike and I wasn't sure about Isak, but I thought at the start of the season we had some great players in the squad. I still think that's the case. I'm repeating myself. I'm getting old so I guess I should get used to it.
 
my finger is getting further off the pulse as i’m getting older too but frimpong imo was an easy get, we’re a club who loves a clause or player that wants to come. anything to avoid bidding up.

wirtz was never the one in germany for me, he’s clearly a good player but i’ve never thought it would translate that well into the pl. musiala was the one you’d want for that money but i doubt bayern sell him.
 
Well none of them played tonight anyway. Slot seems to want some public flagellation. I wish he'd just get bummed in a dungeon by a witch like any normal higher functioning forty something.
 
Well none of them played tonight anyway. Slot seems to want some public flagellation. I wish he'd just get bummed in a dungeon by a witch like any normal higher functioning forty something.
slots doing so well i didn’t even bother watching tonight
 
Maybe I'm a dickhead but I thought Kerkez and Wirtz and Frimpong were the best young players in the world who happened to be available. I didn't know about Ekitike and I wasn't sure about Isak, but I thought at the start of the season we had some great players in the squad. I still think that's the case. I'm repeating myself. I'm getting old so I guess I should get used to it.
Kerkez and wirtz I was elated over. Frimpong I was hopeful for but playing in a 343 is different to a 443 so was expecting a mixed bag for a good fee. I always wanted Ekitike. Isak I was alright providing it didn't impact other business.

Problem is we've lost the link players in the squad. Trent, Diaz, Elliott, all excellent at stretching play and finding space. Wirtz is the only one of the new signings who might be able to do that, as Frimpong never gets played in by Salah, kerkez is actively ignored by gakpo.
 
slots doing so well i didn’t even bother watching tonight

I'm trying to create a worm with code that will not only turn all the electric and connectivity off in my postcode but will close down the traffic grid and arrange a tornado so there will be no possible way I can watch the football on Saturday.
 
I'm trying to create a worm with code that will not only turn all the electric and connectivity off in my postcode but will close down the traffic grid and arrange a tornado so there will be no possible way I can watch the football on Saturday.
probably just as easy petrol bombing the nearest substation or gouging your eyes out.
 
Maybe quotes like the last one from slot is why Hitler remained safe from time machines. People can't stay focused.
 
Someone needs to do over Slot.

Not literally in case someone thinks I’m justifying some Dutch folically challenged hatred.
 
Kerkez and wirtz I was elated over. Frimpong I was hopeful for but playing in a 343 is different to a 443 so was expecting a mixed bag for a good fee. I always wanted Ekitike. Isak I was alright providing it didn't impact other business.

Problem is we've lost the link players in the squad. Trent, Diaz, Elliott, all excellent at stretching play and finding space. Wirtz is the only one of the new signings who might be able to do that, as Frimpong never gets played in by Salah, kerkez is actively ignored by gakpo.
Yeah what is with that 'ignore Kerkez at all costs' thing from Gakpo? He doesn't do it to Robbo probably because he knows Robbo would rip him a new arshole if he did. But surely the coaching team tells him to use the wide overlapping player on occasions? Surely they don't tell him to cut in and shoot every single time? I don't get it.
 
£75M for Kerkez and Frimpong looks like bad business. The Kerkez interest I can understand but I'm not sure what anyone saw in Frimpong, apart from pace.
If Isak was able to play every week, I'm sure he'd be fine. But if the whole season is going to be niggling injuries like it is now, that would be a disaster.
Wirtz we just have to keep playing and hope it changes for him. Can't approach it any other way with that outlay.
 
£75M for Kerkez and Frimpong looks like bad business. The Kerkez interest I can understand but I'm not sure what anyone saw in Frimpong, apart from pace.
If Isak was able to play every week, I'm sure he'd be fine. But if the whole season is going to be niggling injuries like it is now, that would be a disaster.
Wirtz we just have to keep playing and hope it changes for him. Can't approach it any other way with that outlay.
Frimpong is unfortunately not used as often as he should on the wing in our attacks. If only Salah could cut inside with the intention of releasing Frimpong on the overlap, we might be seeing him impact games far more than he has been. Kind of the same story on the other side of the pitch, where Gakpo ignores Kerkez's overlaps. But yes, they have been underperforming. Hopefully things can change for the better soon.
 
£75M for Kerkez and Frimpong looks like bad business. The Kerkez interest I can understand but I'm not sure what anyone saw in Frimpong, apart from pace.
If Isak was able to play every week, I'm sure he'd be fine. But if the whole season is going to be niggling injuries like it is now, that would be a disaster.
Wirtz we just have to keep playing and hope it changes for him. Can't approach it any other way with that outlay.
Apart from Ekitike they all look like bad business.
 
Guehi in instead of Isak. If we had to go for Isak after tapping him up (or whatever we did to make him go on strike), go back in January.
 
My hot take is that our signings were fine.

Not perfect, but a good coach could definitely deal with the gaps at LW and CB and still win the league.
 

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It was during Liverpool’s Premier League title celebrations at the five-star Municipal Hotel in the heart of the city last May that an extraordinary summer of transfer activity kicked off.

The two men who devised it, Fenway Sports Group CEO of football Michael Edwards and sporting director Richard Hughes, peeled away to close a deal that appeared not only smart but set the tone for a flurry of moves that led to the inevitable declaration: Liverpool had won the window and would blow away the opposition.

Having initially been offered less than £1m by Real Madrid to sign Trent Alexander-Arnold in time for the Club World Cup, the pair extracted a fee (and savings in wages) that was 10 times that much. Those details were disputed by Madrid, who claimed it was half that – for a player who was out of contract a few weeks later and could walk away for nothing.

It also confirmed that Edwards and Hughes, who go back more than 20 years having first met at Portsmouth FC, were the axis of power at Anfield. They will define the post Jürgen Klopp-era at Liverpool more than head coach Arne Slot. And that means they should also come under scrutiny given the current crisis.

When the Alexander-Arnold deal was announced, Liverpool seamlessly confirmed the signing of Jeremie Frimpong by triggering his £29.5m release clause at Bayer Leverkusen. The fans’ reaction was euphoric.

The brief was that Frimpong, who it was said Liverpool had been aware of for 15 years, was not a like-for-like replacement but provided a versatile option for their entire right flank. Especially with Mohamed Salah going to the Africa Cup of Nations this season.

When Frimpong was followed from Leverkusen by his close friend Florian Wirtz the excitement grew even further
and what Liverpool captain Virgil van Dijk had declared would be a “big summer” was under way. In a comment that now feels incredibly relevant Van Dijk also added: “So we all have to trust the board to do the right job.”

The question now – and with the focus so sharply on Slot’s future after nine defeats in 12 games and the worst run of results in 72 years (when Liverpool were relegated) – is whether that board has delivered and whether that trust was, actually, misplaced?

Of course the focus is on Slot. How can it not be? Can he arrest the slide? Can he survive? Not if this continues. That is logical. The head coach, the manager, is always the first one to pay the price as he is the frontman, the one paid to get the best out of the squad, the one who is the easiest to change.

We are in unprecedented territory. Champions have mounted terrible title defences before, and not least in recent history with Leicester City and Chelsea. But never in these circumstances.

Never when it appeared so harmonious. Never having gone through a summer like this with more than £700m of deals in and out creating such an air of positivity. Liverpool spent £449m, the most ever in one window in the Premier League, and recouped £260m. Liverpool brought in nine players and sold or loaned eight. And such huge overhauls at clubs are rarely easy.
Witness Tottenham Hotspur in 2013-14 after selling Gareth Bale and with Everton in 2017-18 under Farhad Moshiri.

But it was more the scale of the deals, and not just the numbers, that was so stunning. Twice they broke their transfer record with the £125m signing of Alexander Isak following the £116m spent on Wirtz. There was also the £79m for Hugo Ekitike.

Much of this was needed and some of it was, sadly, out of Liverpool’s hands.
There was not just Alexander-Arnold’s decision to leave, having rejected a new contract, but Luis Díaz successfully agitated to go and there was the tragedy of Diogo Jota’s death, the force of which is still being felt and absolutely has to be considered.

But, above all, there was also the sense that having effectively won the league last season with Klopp’s team that Edwards, Hughes and Slot wanted to put their own imprint on Liverpool.

There is no doubt that Slot wanted to evolve Liverpool’s style. He has said as much and hinted they could not carry on like last season when, despite winning the title, they won only 10 of their 56 matches by more than two goals.
For the head coach they did not create enough chances and, in particular, the manner of the Champions League exit to Paris St-Germain hurt.

The coups of persuading Van Dijk and Salah to sign new contracts do not look quite so clever given their current form while also allowing Ibrahima Konaté to go into the final year of his deal has backfired.

His drop-off has been alarming and highlighted even more the failure to sign Marc Guéhi on deadline day.
Although Liverpool will argue that they were unfortunate that Giovanni Leoni then suffered a serious, season-ending injury were they really going to depend on an 18-year-old central defender?

It is said that both Hughes and Edwards, who is in his second spell at Liverpool having been persuaded to return, are good at resisting outside noise.

They will need to rely on that now because, with the benefit of hindsight, it is not difficult to pick apart their transfer business. Isak and Wirtz were the centrepieces of a rebuild but the former arrived unfit and is somehow still unfit and the latter was surely bought to have the team operate around him. But that has not happened. And did they really need to keep pursuing Isak once Ekitike was signed?

Hughes wanted Milos Kerkez, having signed him for Bournemouth, but he does not appear suited to Liverpool’s style. Having another attacking full-back on the other flank in Frimpong has left Van Dijk, now 34, and Konaté exposed, highlighting even more the failure to sign Guéhi.

Last year Liverpool pursued Martín Zubimendi before converting Ryan Gravenberch to be a holding midfielder to great effect, but that is still not the Dutchman’s best position.
Selling Díaz and not signing a replacement appears to be a mistake they will try to rectify in the January window.

It may all still work out for Liverpool. They have still signed good players. The reputations of Edwards and Hughes are extremely high in football; they have proven track records and an impressive body of work to refer to.

But they should also be accountable. Not just Slot. And there is also that nagging question: did the need to change the Liverpool squad become a desire to shape it more in their image and less in Klopp’s? If that is the case then that may be where much of the problem lies.
 
None would miss Edwards and Hughes' roles in all of this.

But take for example the failure to recruit a DM. Slot took the plaudits for improving Grav in that role last season, but this season, he's chosen to have him playing further forward. Jones, Macca and Dom haven't filled that role. I'm not convinced Slot wanted or wants a DM in his system.
 
None would miss Edwards and Hughes' roles in all of this.

But take for example the failure to recruit a DM. Slot took the plaudits for improving Grav in that role last season, but this season, he's chosen to have him playing further forward. Jones, Macca and Dom haven't filled that role. I'm not convinced Slot wanted or wants a DM in his system.
Wanted Zubi, a more playing DM, if you can call him that.
I think we need one. A physical enforcer
 
Nothing wrong with the signings, its the coaching! A better coach would have got alot more out of this squad. This team should not be losing to Forest and PSV at home by 3-0 and 4-1 respectively.
Slot has gone from this;
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I'm still happy with the summer business. I agree with many others on here that Isak was a 'luxury' and we needed Guehi more but all in all I'd say good business.

What we need is someone to glue them together into a coherent team style and shape, which our current coach seems to be incapable of
 
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