The education of Trent

[rurikbird]

I think this will be an ongoing theme this season – Trent is at an age when he's no longer a world-class young phenom, he needs to find the successful transition to a mature world-class player and one of the leaders of this team – a very different thing mentally, a different kind of pressure. There will be bumps in the road, like we're possibly seeing now, but there is no one better than Klopp to guide him as a player and a person.

 

[Bradley]

Love Klopp.

Be great to go for pints with, he'd be a good laugh and then offer sage advice on your woes.

 

[Hansern]

Sadly this thread will be a magnet for Trent cant defend posts.

 

[Markeh]

Sadly this thread will be a magnet for Trent cant defend posts.

we should put him in midfield

 

[mark1975]

Sadly this thread will be a magnet for Trent cant defend posts.

It probably will be if he continues to not be able to defend. I'd say that's fair game.

 

[Squiggles]

Klopp made a reference to not all the players believing they could win against Newcastle and had hauled off Robertson and Trent early, so I wonder if that comment was aimed at the fullbacks. I do hope Trent doesn't fall into the trap of thinking his quality and distribution means he doesn't have to work his arse off every week.

It's been a mixed start for him this year, but the red card of Nunez has muddled up the set ups a bit, which have caused disruption, and he's still learning to play with Elliott to an extent, so there's some caveats there.

 

[rubans]

Trent’s lucky he doesn’t have Jose or Conte as manager.
Klopp will sort him out, back to basics pls…

 

[KopRed]

I wonder whose decision it is, for him to cut in all the time. He doesn't have a left foot.

We are lacking wing play on the right with Salah cutting in as well.

 

[Woland]

He thinks he's Stevie Me all of a sudden. It's fucking us up.

 

[Hansern]

We lost control of the game when we swapped full backs today.

 

[Zlate]

We lost control of the game when we swapped full backs today.

Terrible tactical decision

 

[Delinquent]

We lost control of the game when we swapped full backs today.

It was a bizarre double substitution really. Tsimikas was playing well and if Klopp wanted to bring Trent off then the obvious way to do that was to bring Matip on and push Gomez out wide (which is ultimately what he ended up doing when he realised that Milner at right back might cost us the game). Really don't know what Klopp was thinking.

 

[Woland]

Yeah we'd just started to kick on, and Milner is far too slow there, but there's no hiding that there's something wrong with the way Trent is playing. Salah is all on his own down the right and he's the one getting the stick.

 

[Hyena]

He needs serious competition

 

[tomasjj]

He needs serious competition

Pick up scraps from sinking leicester - Justin

 

[rurikbird]

We lost control of the game when we swapped full backs today.

Strange one from Klopp. We looked well on course for a win until Trent and Tsimikas were subbed.

 

[RedStar]

If the point of taking Trent off for Milner was to teach him a lesson it backfired on Klopp in spectacular fashion. Milner is not a viable RB option anymore unless we are 3 goals up. He cannot play a high line. Which means Trent is all but guaranteed to play every game. So the best hope we have is that Klopp or someone else sits him down and tells him straight, his attitude and work rate are not good enough. He's coasting through games rather than influencing them. We've got to hope he plays himself into a bit of form, he tends to do better with Matip alongside him

 

[jan]

Lots of shit underperformers and no shows in the team this season but nobody has annoyed me more than him

Wish we had an alternative that's not a 40 years old Milner because he needs a benching and getting told he's supposed to be a right back, not some Gerrard-Beckham hybrid who can afford to just pop out around the pitch and try out various hollywood passes which rarely find a teammate

 

[binomial]

When is Ramsay back?

If he’s as good as Patterson is now, I wouldn’t mind him starting and maybe use Trent off the bench for a few games in midfield?

I think by the time his career is over he’ll be 1 of very few who can say they’ve made it through the ranks at Liverpool and gone on to make 300…400+ games for us….and maybe the only 1 that’s done it who’s gone on to win the Prem.

 

[rubans]

Patterson isn’t good though, he’s been good at being aggressive and holding position defensively but that won’t be enough for a modern full back.
Unfortunately we brought an injured RB but hopefully decent in the long term.

 

[Tinto]

Strange one from Klopp. We looked well on course for a win until Trent and Tsimikas were subbed.

Replacing both fullbacks against Newcastle improved us. But the difference was that we were struggling and needed the change.

We were well on top yesterday and didn’t need the subs.

 

[rurikbird]

Replacing both fullbacks against Newcastle improved us. But the difference was that we were struggling and needed the change.

We were well on top yesterday and didn’t need the subs.

Yes, it's an interesting lesson – when something works, you're tempted to do it again, which can lead to problems if you didn't fully think through why it worked that time.

 

[Frogfish]

Strange one from Klopp. We looked well on course for a win until Trent and Tsimikas were subbed.

Horrendous performance. Typified by his desperate attempts to foul that missed by a mile.

 

[Frogfish]

If the point of taking Trent off for Milner was to teach him a lesson it backfired on Klopp in spectacular fashion. Milner is not a viable RB option anymore unless we are 3 goals up. He cannot play a high line. Which means Trent is all but guaranteed to play every game. So the best hope we have is that Klopp or someone else sits him down and tells him straight, his attitude and work rate are not good enough. He's coasting through games rather than influencing them. We've got to hope he plays himself into a bit of form, he tends to do better with Matip alongside him

We've maybe been stymied a little by Ramsay being injured from Day 1. It's likely he'd have been getting minutes if not and he's far far pacier than Milner. Hopefully he's fit again soon and can provide a competent sub for when Trent needs bringing off/resting.
The way Trent's been playing this season we don't need Ramsey to be anywhere near Trent's usual level to be useful.

 

[Fabio]

I'd start Ramsay the second he's fit

 

[MomoWASright]

I'd start Ramsay the second he's fit

He’s in training

 

[Hansern]

Yes, it's an interesting lesson – when something works, you're tempted to do it again, which can lead to problems if you didn't fully think through why it worked that time.

Think Klopp had one eye on the Napoli game on Tuesday as well

 

[mom]

Klopp made a reference to not all the players believing they could win against Newcastle and had hauled off Robertson and Trent early, so I wonder if that comment was aimed at the fullbacks. I do hope Trent doesn't fall into the trap of thinking his quality and distribution means he doesn't have to work his arse off every week.

It's been a mixed start for him this year, but the red card of Nunez has muddled up the set ups a bit, which have caused disruption, and he's still learning to play with Elliott to an extent, so there's some caveats there.

I get the point about quality and distribution but the worrying thing is that even that’s not there at the moment. He’s been poor all round for me this season. You can forgive a game or two maybe, but whatever is going on with him needs addressing. Certainly doesn’t seem to be arrogance as he doesn’t seem in a positive place at the moment.

 

[Squiggles]

Think Klopp had one eye on the Napoli game on Tuesday as well

I think that's it and suspect the fullbacks minutes have been decided in advance for this period with the conditioning coaches.

We can debate the toss about the rights and wrongs of it, but I doubt its a bold tactical decision from Klopp and more about preserving legs.

I'd have thought the fullbacks cover more ground and make the most sprits, so require more protection.

 

[binomial]

He’s in training

Where've you heard this?