The old band is back together

[Hansern]

View: https://x.com/JamesPearceLFC/status/1788962499376922938


View: https://x.com/JamesPearceLFC/status/1788966331557064903

Pedro Marques, who will report to Ward, is regarded by Edwards as an industry leading expert in player development, career pathways, coaching methodologies and performance analysis. [
@JamesPearceLFC
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[Fabio]

very exciting stuff

Bizarre how they all fucked off til klopp went mind

 

[rurikbird]

Yeah, this pretty much confirms what we all suspected: there has been a huge rift behind the scenes between Klopp/Lijnders and Edwards/Ward and the data guys, which led to that part of the staff all leaving. Our best recruitment happened when they were working together, so you could say the club suffered because of that rift.

 

[Farkmaster]

Or they left because they were riding a high and management leave jobs constantly to make more and more money. Then they all didn't achieve any remarkable success doing anything else and they are back now on improved terms with new fancy titles, additional layers of management, talk of portfolios and all that nauseating shit.

 

[rurikbird]

View: https://twitter.com/AnfieldSector/status/1788965135186375108

 

[HC]

Yeah, timing is very coincidental.

I can't imagine Klopp to be a difficult character to work with though , if he can motivate and collaborate fucking idiot footballers then I'm pretty sure he can work with some business intelligence X football nerds

 

[rurikbird]

To be fair, the skillset to motivate those under you is not the same as being able to work as part of a structure, where someone might overrule you. Klopp seems pretty reasonable in comparison to many other managers of his generation - even Rodgers was much worse at power-sharing despite being half the coach Klopp is. But on some matters of principle, clearly they simply couldn’t agree.

 

[King Binny]

No smoke without fire I guess. Don't think its vs. Klopp (only), more like the ppl around/under him (too) - Lijnders, Kornmayer etc.


Jan 2023

Pep Lijnders influence proves it is not just Jurgen Klopp pulling strings at Liverpool

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www.telegraph.co.uk

Feb 2023

Liverpool: How Jurgen Klopp's Reds have been hurt on the pitch by a 'brain drain' off it

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www.skysports.com

 

[rurikbird]

No smoke without fire I guess. Don't think its vs. Klopp (only), more like the ppl around/under him (too) - Lijnders, Kornmayer etc.


Jan 2023

Pep Lijnders influence proves it is not just Jurgen Klopp pulling strings at Liverpool

Jürgen Klopp’s No 2 is playing an increasingly important role in Liverpool’s transfer business

www.telegraph.co.uk

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Feb 2023

Liverpool: How Jurgen Klopp's Reds have been hurt on the pitch by a 'brain drain' off it

Sky Sports News senior reporter Melissa Reddy takes a look at the factors behind the scenes at Liverpool that are contributing to the Reds slump; There has been a steady brain drain, categorising Liverpool not just as a team in transition but a club in one

www.skysports.com

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Yeah, definitely. The source of the conflict could easily be someone else (Kornmeyer has been mentioned before as someone “difficult to work with) and one thing we know about Klopp is that he’s intensely loyal to his “team.”

 

[Hansern]

To be fair, the skillset to motivate those under you is not the same as being able to work as part of a structure, where someone might overrule you. Klopp seems pretty reasonable in comparison to many other managers of his generation - even Rodgers was much worse at power-sharing despite being half the coach Klopp is. But on some matters of principle, clearly they simply couldn’t agree.

I wonder if part of this is the new Global strategy that FSG are taking. Multi club ownership is certainly something Klopp wouldnt like.

 

[bluebell]

I think

Yeah, timing is very coincidental.

I can't imagine Klopp to be a difficult character to work with though , if he can motivate and collaborate fucking idiot footballers then I'm pretty sure he can work with some business intelligence X football nerds

I heard it was more the fitness coach and Pep who created the rift, and Klopp sided with them.
Klopp can be bastard too, remember he and Pep's predecessor had a big bust-up

 

[mark1975]

Pinched..

Fully expecting Edwards to bring back Buvac and Mamadou Sakho at this point

 

[rubans]

Without the right manager/coach to glue this all together, it will all be silos. Before Klopp, we didn’t have any one calling out how amazing our recruitment so let’s hope all this works because all these circle wanking at the lab from data scientists could easily unravel rather quickly.

 

[jan]

Dunno about you but I'll always be down to get crucified on the vibes over stats hill

 

[Modo]

I haven't really been interested in all the talk about backroom staff, but does this confirm that Klopp was the "problem" all along?

 

[rubans]

Feels like it doesn’t it, this season at times looks like sacrifice for a more strategic future. Hope it was worth the risk, Klopp prob was against the whole MCO and Edwards band from the off soon as he heard wind off it in October. Let’s see about this whole AI bot future.

 

[Bradley]

I haven't really been interested in all the talk about backroom staff, but does this confirm that Klopp was the "problem" all along?

It'll probably take a few years to work out if this new approach is cutting the mustard.

Klopp made mistakes along the way, not calling time on players who had peaked was the biggest (only?) issue. When he did, last summer, he showed he could revitalise the team quickly.

Now it's on these nerds to keep that momentum going, find suitable replacements on the pitch and hope the managers they bring in can deliver.

 

[StevieM]

It'll probably take a few years to work out if this new approach is cutting the mustard.

Klopp made mistakes along the way, not calling time on players who had peaked was the biggest (only?) issue. When he did, last summer, he showed he could revitalise the team quickly.

Now it's on these nerds to keep that momentum going, find suitable replacements on the pitch and hope the managers they bring in can deliver.

The only two we HAVE to replace from the current squad paid very little part of the season - it in Thiago’s case no part.

There’s no major rebuild needed here - a couple of top signings and if Slot is as good a manager as his reputation suggests, there’s no reason momentum should stop.

Momentum stops the minute we start selling a stack of players and then have to bring in and integrate a pile of new players.

I’m pretty sure Edwards will be smart enough to see that.

 

[Irishanfield]

Edwards filling up the backroom staff with his yes men..

If salah stays doesn't thst go against everything he is suppose to belief in and why he got butt hurt and ran away after Klopp went against him and got new deals for hendo and Milner...

 

[MomoWASright]

Edwards filling up the backroom staff with his yes men..

If salah stays doesn't thst go against everything he is suppose to belief in and why he got butt hurt and ran away after Klopp went against him and got new deals for hendo and Milner...

Not really. If Salah got a one year extension with a view to selling next year then I’d expect him to be fine with that. Giving Salah more would be against his whole ethos. So it won’t happen.

If Salah wants more than one year and decides to leave then again he will be cool with that.

 

[StevieM]

Edwards filling up the backroom staff with his yes men..

If salah stays doesn't thst go against everything he is suppose to belief in and why he got butt hurt and ran away after Klopp went against him and got new deals for hendo and Milner...

I don’t think it’s accurate to call the “yes men” - it’s more likely that the reason they’ve developed such good working relationships and output is because they challenge each other.

The main trait that seems to follow groups of “yes men” is they get things wrong, continually. That’s the absolute opposite of what Edwards and his team are like.

Klopp too, would have had a team that questioned - which is why he was so successful.

 

[StevieM]

Also… these are all mostly new roles - there’s no-one being replaced here - the roles being replaced will by Slots team and mostly for roles vacated by people leaving with Klopp.

 

[bluebell]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDvYyRWtOA

 

[Tinto]

When Klopp arrived, he was asked about working with the transfer committee and he said it was all good as long as he had the first say and the final say.

This made sense considering Klopp was the manager and it worked out great.

It does look like Edwards changed his mind about who should be having the final say since he’s only back because he does.

 

[Hansern]

Edwards love Salah, so I doubt it will go against anything for him to offer a 1 year extension etc.

 

[localny]

As a manager grows in power, it's harder for those behind the scenes to do their job. They had no chance in overriding a man like Klopp on signings. They likely thought - if I can't sign the players I'm here to sign, I can't stay. Your rep is on the line. If the club signs a dud you get blamed for it, even if you were against it.

I can see why they left. It's not so much as a disagreement, as resignation to the fact Kloppo had become too strong to overrule

 

[tomasjj]

And his little intense goblin

 

[Champ]

The only two we HAVE to replace from the current squad paid very little part of the season - it in Thiago’s case no part.

There’s no major rebuild needed here - a couple of top signings and if Slot is as good a manager as his reputation suggests, there’s no reason momentum should stop.

Momentum stops the minute we start selling a stack of players and then have to bring in and integrate a pile of new players.

I’m pretty sure Edwards will be smart enough to see that.

I agree mate, but maybe our midfield needs physicality, and also a new approach and formation. We have been conceeding so many goals lately and I don't blame it all on defence alone. It also appears we can't seem to dominate the centre cause holding the ball there requires players that physically can shield the ball or players that have a very good first touch and can dribble.

We seem to have lost to teams with these kind of midfields this season

 

[StevieM]

I agree mate, but maybe our midfield needs physicality, and also a new approach and formation. We have been conceeding so many goals lately and I don't blame it all on defence alone. It also appears we can't seem to dominate the centre cause holding the ball there requires players that physically can shield the ball or players that have a very good first touch and can dribble.

We seem to have lost to teams with these kind of midfields this season

I agree - and Slot is likely to tweak the system to be more defensively sound.

Klopp was all about chaos and disrupting how other teams play (that’s why he has such a good record against City), it it was a high risk strategy and relied on committing, effectively, 7 players to attack and playing very direct - high his high risk/high reward football, mitigated by his excellent coaching, and a group of elite talented footballers that absolutely buy into it.

Slot, I think, will be more about control, short passing to progress and with a more solid defensive base.

In theory, if this group of players take to him, this could actually work really well.

 

[Tinto]

Arne Slot gets on base

Liverpool make their big decision. How much does it matter?

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