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Walcott may not be ideal but I've watched him for a number of years and I have watched Sinclair and Dyer at Swansea regularly too. I firmly believe that Walcott is better than the two Swansea lads. Given the return Rodgers got from Sinclair and Dyer I have to believe that he could utilise Walcott to very good effect for us.
 
I can't understand why people write Walcott off so. He scored 11 goals and made 13 assists last season in the team that finished 3rd in the league. Thats very impressive.
 
Pesam said:
Walcott may not be ideal but I've watched him for a number of years and I have watched Sinclair and Dyer at Swansea regularly too. I firmly believe that Walcott is better than the two Swansea lads. Given the return Rodgers got from Sinclair and Dyer I have to believe that he could utilise Walcott to very good effect for us.
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It's what I am thinking too - but 15 million is a bit of a stretch considering it's the last year of his contract.
 
Walcott's as injury-prone as Agger.

But I forget that it's mandatory for a Liverpool squad to have at least two sicknotes at any given point in time. With Aurelio gone, we need a replacement. So get Aquilani back, or buy someone.
 
Arsenal usually get good value for those in the last year of their contract though:
£23M for Nasri,
£16M for Henry etc
 
32, 39, 35, 30, 38 and 46.
Thats Walcotts total apperances pr season for Arsenal. The massive injury argument isnt true imho. And the lad is 23.

I'd love to sign him, for the right price obvs,
 
Where are Walcott rumours from?

Rory Smith just said we are interested but Chelsea are a head of us.
 
Pesam said:
Walcott may not be ideal but I've watched him for a number of years and I have watched Sinclair and Dyer at Swansea regularly too. I firmly believe that Walcott is better than the two Swansea lads. Given the return Rodgers got from Sinclair and Dyer I have to believe that he could utilise Walcott to very good effect for us.
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Sinclair can beat a man with skill though. Walcott doesn't have that. He uses his pace to get past people or one twos etc. I do think Walcott has improved over the last 12 months but I really would like a wide player that when faced with a fullback isn't limited to kick and rush and a pass back.

I can't quite believe we're back to the "better than what we have" argument after last summer either. Do people never learn?
 
Hansern said:
32, 39, 35, 30, 38 and 46.
Thats Walcotts total apperances pr season for Arsenal. The massive injury argument isnt true imho. And the lad is 23.

I'd love to sign him, for the right price obvs,
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Starts in the PL per season - 5, 11, 16, 19, 32.

Last season was effectively his only injury free season. He's only 23, and has had persistent shoulder and hamstring problems all throughout his career. How many pacy players with hamstring problems have ever overcome them? It's writ large that he won't have a very healthy career, barring some very major luck.

I don't think he's a bad player, but I'll avoid based on the injury history alone.

As an aside, I also think there's better to be had for the price we'll end up paying for him.
 
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A well balanced and thought out argument as usual Modo.
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There's not much else to say. I can go on about what I think his flaws are but someone else will eventually cover it. So "shit" kinda fits for now.
I don't see him improving our side at all. How about we save whatever we're spending on him and promote Sterling and Suso.
 
I thought he linked up very well at times with Van Rapist last season. Like others have said already though he's inconsistent and injury prone. I wouldn't be surprised if we went for him though. I would have thought the likes Walcott with his attributes would be exactly what Rodgers is looking for with his system. Pace on the flanks, re-creating what he had with Dyer and Sinclair at Swansea last season.

If we got him for about 10 million I'd be happy. He's still young (23) and if he stays fit and applies himself he could turn out to be good value for money.
 
We really need to sell loads of players if we're going to be buying four or five. We need to sell as many as we buy, at least, plus get rid of al the loanees. That's about 8 departures required by the looks of things.
 
keniget said:
Sinclair can beat a man with skill though. Walcott doesn't have that. He uses his pace to get past people or one twos etc. I do think Walcott has improved over the last 12 months but I really would like a wide player that when faced with a fullback isn't limited to kick and rush and a pass back.

I can't quite believe we're back to the "better than what we have" argument after last summer either. Do people never learn?
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The "better than what we have" argument is valid Keni, last season we didn't buy "better than what we had" but these 3 potential signings and Borini would be better than what we have. How much better will depend on how much BR can get out of them. Trying to figure out how much further up the table these 4 would put us is subjective BUT I would suggest we have a decent top 4 chance.
 
keniget said:
Sinclair can beat a man with skill though. Walcott doesn't have that. He uses his pace to get past people or one twos etc. I do think Walcott has improved over the last 12 months but I really would like a wide player that when faced with a fullback isn't limited to kick and rush and a pass back.

I can't quite believe we're back to the "better than what we have" argument after last summer either. Do people never learn?
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You're God damn right!
 
I think the thing is that if you just buy someone you think is 'better than what you have' your expectations are so conservative that it takes very little for you to end up disappointed, as we were last season. It may look like semantics but maybe instead the club should have standards and expectations of all signings that are based around our ultimate goal rather than incremental improvement.
 
We get it that you dont want Walcott Dmisrha, but the Agger comparison is bollocks.
Over the last 6 seasons Agger averages 27 games in all comps, Walcott 37.

As I've said plenty of times now. The injury issue isnt the make or break here.

If the price is right, sign all day.
 
Can put a goal away now and again, and his assist rate last season was surprisingly good, but I think what you see now is it (I don't think he'll improve much more) and for all the talk about his pace he isn't that quick with the ball at his feet. Anything around the £8/9M mark and then I wouldn't moan (assuming no daft wages) but I wouldn't entertain anything north of £10M, and certainly not the £15M that's getting bandied about.
 
Nah not for me at all, runs with his bloody head down. He seems to have a run of poor games then a good game very inconsistent.
 
Walcott's pace would be very welcome, and i'm certain he would weigh in with around 10 goals. And Rodgers' system at Swansea relied on a right-sided option who could receive the ball from Britton (Lucas in our case) and carry it forward at pace.

So it all seems to make sense, but I find myself having reservations - mainly that Walcott is one of those players who seems to disappear from games entirely, and that he seems to be fairly easily neutralized. Whenever Liverpool have played Arsenal, I have never ever found myself worrying about what Walcott might do to us, even when our fullbacks have been shite. And usually he ended up doing nothing.

Pesam is right though: he's better than Dyer, and Rodgers made him a very effective weapon.
 
dmishra said:
Starts in the PL per season - 5, 11, 16, 19, 32.

Last season was effectively his only injury free season. He's only 23, and has had persistent shoulder and hamstring problems all throughout his career. How many pacy players with hamstring problems have ever overcome them? It's writ large that he won't have a very healthy career, barring some very major luck.

I don't think he's a bad player, but I'll avoid based on the injury history alone.

As an aside, I also think there's better to be had for the price we'll end up paying for him.
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http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/theo-walcott/profil/spieler_33713.html
I don't know how comprehensive that list is, but it looks like he's had more ankle problems than anything else.
 
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