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I know it doesn't start for another 3 weeks but Wiggins' performance in the Dauphiné has really whet my appetite for professional sport's most gruelling event.

I reckon Bradley is going to reach the podium.

He looks much leaner than last year, or is it just because I changed my TV aspect settings from 16:9 to Panasonic Auto?

I hope he's not on something.
 
Hes a cyclist, if they win it's usually because they are on something.

I'll be taking a bit of an interest this year because of Nicholas Roche, last year he wrote an excellent diary column in the Irish Indo
 
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I know it doesn't start for another 3 weeks but Wiggins' performance in the Dauphiné has really whet my appetite for professional sport's most gruelling event.

I reckon Bradley is going to reach the podium.

He looks much leaner than last year, or is it just because I changed my TV aspect settings from 16:9 to Panasonic Auto?

I hope he's not on something.


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If he's not "on" something Bologna he'll be unique in the sport - I have no doubt he'll be drugged up to the eyelids like the rest of 'em.
 
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Hes a cyclist, if they win it's usually because they are on something.
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From the Baseball fan.
 
I'd like to love the Tour but the sports is such a joke these days.

Cycling would be aces but doping destroys it.
 
Sky flexing their muscles in the transfer market.

Mark Cavendish is set to leave HTC-Highroad to sign for Team Sky next season, according to reports.

Cavendish, winner of 15 stages of the Tour de France, criticised his current team in October, saying he felt "abused" by their failure to open contract negotiations, and complaining that the deal he signed in 2008 had been followed by "no goodwill, no bonuses, nothing".

A move to Team Sky would mean the 26-year-old becoming a team-mate of Bradley Wiggins, who recently won the week-long Critérium du Dauphiné.

Team Sky have refused to comment on the reports.

HPST: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/16/mark-cavendish-wiggins-team-sky
 
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Contador is going to win it. easily.

He should have been banned though
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He's already 1 minute 30 seconds down.

Forecast or the day; Sky to win the team time trial and Geraint Thomas in yellow.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=45735.msg1349601#msg1349601 date=1308136131]
Contador is going to win it. easily.

He should have been banned though
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Not convinced. He's an excellent rider, but has a huge amount on his mind - it will be a remarkable performance if he can put all that to one side and take control.

Lets be honest, theyre all at least "bending" the rules here and there - Contador has to be whiter than white this year, and even that might not be enough; in the back of his mind he also knows that if he did win it this year, but the charges against him were upheld, he'd lose the 2010 and 2011 titles - THAT is a big weight to heave around the Pyrenees and Alps
 
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[quote author=Bologna link=topic=45735.msg1348972#msg1348972 date=1308065058]
I know it doesn't start for another 3 weeks but Wiggins' performance in the Dauphiné has really whet my appetite for professional sport's most gruelling event.

I reckon Bradley is going to reach the podium.

He looks much leaner than last year, or is it just because I changed my TV aspect settings from 16:9 to Panasonic Auto?

I hope he's not on something.


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If he's not "on" something Bologna he'll be unique in the sport - I have no doubt he'll be drugged up to the eyelids like the rest of 'em.
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That's not true although the sport's reputation precedes it and I'm sure your point of view is widespread amongst the general viewing public.

I think Ross hits the nail on the head by saying that those that win often have "doubts" hanging over them.

There are teams, Sky among them, that have a very stringent anti-doping policy. They don't hire riders who have any history of doping and they even refuse to employ people that have doping question marks hanging over their heads. Like Caesar's wife, not only must you be whiter than white but you have to explicitly show that you are too.

Being a cycling fan can be immensely frustrating though, given the history of doping in the sport.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=45735.msg1349601#msg1349601 date=1308136131]
Contador is going to win it. easily.

He should have been banned though
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Not convinced. He's an excellent rider, but has a huge amount on his mind - it will be a remarkable performance if he can put all that to one side and take control.

Lets be honest, theyre all at least "bending" the rules here and there - Contador has to be whiter than white this year, and even that might not be enough; in the back of his mind he also knows that if he did win it this year, but the charges against him were upheld, he'd lose the 2010 and 2011 titles - THAT is a big weight to heave around the Pyrenees and Alps
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You might be proved right but I still think he's going to win it.
Just not as easily as I said
 
Nicolas Roche:'Only good thing about the fall was the cut was clean'

As usual, today's opening stage was littered with crashes. I don't know why it happens, but every year is the same and if you don't fall or get held up by someone else falling in the first week of the Tour, then you should offer your services as a route planner in a minefield.

There were so many crashes today, I didn't see a third of them until I watched the highlights on TV afterwards. Eager to get his altercation with the road out of the way early, German sprinter Andre Greipel was on his arse in the middle of the peloton before we even hit the official start line. It wasn't even 40km into the race when I fell, hitting the deck for a record fifth time this year.

As the guys ahead of me slammed on the brakes and ploughed into each other, I wasn't unduly worried as I saw it coming and had time to stop without doing any damage. But then some guy from Katusha, who was obviously looking elsewhere, just smashed me in the back.

I fell on my chainring and it dug into my shin, so I have another open wound on my leg to add to the collection of cuts and abrasions from my crash at the Criterium du Dauphine three weeks ago.

The only good thing about today's fall was, because the teeth of the chainring are sharp, at least the cut is clean. Although it was very sore at the time, it didn't bleed much and a bandage should sort it out. As the race went on I forgot about my leg but noticed my wrist was getting a bit sore.

When I picked myself up, I was a bit worried about my gears and, having been hit from behind, didn't know if my rear wheel was buckled. John Gadret was at the very back of the bunch and when he saw me fall, actually turned around on the road and came back to see how I was.

As I re-mounted and made my way back to the peloton, I also had Sebastien Minard, Christophe Riblon and Hubert Dupont wait on me to pace me back up.

Upon making contact with the back of the peloton, I was all set to grab a couple of quiet minutes to feel sorry for myself and catch my breath again when Seb let fly at me. "You can't just stay here Nico. We have to get to the front. Follow me." With that, he made his way up the left-hand side of the peloton with me in his slipstream.

Being at the front, however, doesn't mean you're immune to crashes, as Jurgen van de Walle found out later on. Riding in second place in the line, the Belgian was waving his hand in the air to warn those behind him of an upcoming traffic island when he hit a speed bump and was thrown to the ground, bringing down a half-dozen riders in his wake.

After a bit of a chase and with his jersey in tatters, Van de Walle returned to the front of the bunch in an effort to keep things together for his team leader Philippe Gilbert, who was favourite to take the stage on the short uphill finish.

It's only the first day of the Tour but already our whole team have either crashed or lost time because they got caught up in a crash. As we started the little climb to the finish, only sprinter Seb Hinault was left with me in the front group, which had been whittled down to around 70 riders by the incessant carnage.

With nine roundabouts in the last six kilometres, the finale was hectic. With two kilometres to go, Seb disappeared in another pile-up and I was left alone in the front group.

I didn't even notice until French champion Sylvain Chavanel came up alongside me and asked me where everybody had gone. I looked around and there were only about 25 of us left.

The climb to the finish was pretty hard and I was just hanging on, trying to stay in contact with the leaders. Gilbert repaid Van de Walle and the rest of his Omega Pharma Lotto team's faith in him and proved he is the best in the world at these type of finishes to win the stage pretty comfortably.

I crossed the line six seconds later for 19th after my biggest effort since my crash three weeks ago.

Today's finishing climb was the type I really love but I'm still not at 100pc so I'm pretty satisfied to have stayed with the top guys and not lose time. The big pity about today was that the rest of the guys lost a fair bit of time on the stage due to bad luck.

One of the goals for the team was to get top-three in the team classification in Paris, but losing 20 minutes or more on a stage where we should have only lost a handful of seconds is obviously a big hit and we will probably lose more in the team time trial. Hopefully the guys will not be too sore tomorrow and can keep me up there with a good time.

The thing I'm a bit angry about today is that, after yesterday's stage, they put all of the guys involved in the second crash on the same time as me. I finished the stage completely knackered to try and put time into some of those guys. Okay, there was a crash with a kilometre to go but there were only a handful of guys down, not 70.

In the first group, we'd all fought for time all the way to the line, only for the guys who lost 20 or 30 seconds behind us to be given the same time as us. I was bit p***ed off about that as I could have done with the extra 10 or 15 seconds' cushion for the team time trial today.

This morning, our team must have looked like extras for 'The Mummy Returns' as we mounted our bikes for an hour and a half training spin before our afternoon start.

Sebastian Hinault began today's stage with three stitches in his calf. I have a new bandage on my shin to go with the one on my elbow from the Dauphine crash.

bandage

Sebastien Minard has a bandage on his right knee and one on his calf. Maxime Bouet has cuts on his left thigh and knee. Jean-Christophe Peraud has bandages on both legs and Hubert Dupont has a few scrapes too.

Even so, the team did a great job in the team time trial. I went a bit too hard on the early part of the stage and suffered a bit on the last drag with two kilometres to go, but then Christophe and Jean-Christophe took over and were really strong. John Gadret was struggling a bit in the tailwind section but rode really hard in the headwind and did the last kilometre flat out.

We had said this morning that 10th or 12th on the stage, losing no more than a minute, would be good for us. We finished 13th on the stage and lost 53 seconds behind the winners, Garmin Cervelo, so we were pretty much on target. Everybody is pretty satisfied with today's performance. We rode a good time trial but the others were quicker, simple as that.

As today is my 27th birthday, the team will have a celebratory glass of champagne at the dinner table tonight and a slice of cake. There are only two times we are allowed to have champagne on the Tour; either when you win a stage, or when you celebrate a birthday.

For the moment, I'll have to go with the easy option.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/nicolas-rocheonly-good-thing-about-the-fall-was-the-cut-was-clean-2812230.html
 
I dont think doping is as widespread as it has been in the past.
Its a shame that every cyclist is eyed with suspicion.
Its great having the tour back.
 
They should just lift the ban on all performance enhancing substances and let everyone get on with it. Remove the shame! Take whatever you like, 'cos everyone else is, too.

Or perhaps have two categories. One for the doping lot and one for the clean athletes. There can be a winner in each class and an overall winner. Extra incentive for the clean lot to beat the druggies and visa versa. You could have all the drugs companies sponsoring (and supplying) the dope heads. I think I'm on to something here.
 
Yep shame. Still dont see him as having had a chance of top 3 mind you.

Contador
Shleck
Evans
 
Absolute carnage today.
Don't really like Vinokourov because of his history but I feel for him after today.
What on earth was the car driver thinking of in the later incident? Absolute madness.

Evans
Schleck
ABC (anyone but Contador)
 
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Absolute carnage today.
Don't really like Vinokourov because of his history but I feel for him after today.
What on earth was the car driver thinking of in the later incident? Absolute madness.

Evans
Schleck
ABC (anyone but Contador)
[/quote]It showed footage of the car on ITV.......woman driver.......

S'all im saying.

Ps-You might be right about Evans, BMC certainly looking the most focused of teams for the big leaders.
 
Have you seen the pictures on the telegraph website of the poor bastards leg, I wouldn't have been able to walk let alone cycle god knows how many more km to get in, absolutely insane. That driver should never be allowed near a bike race again, twat.
 
I missed it at that time but what was Cavendish talking about when he talked about 'lack of respect' after winning an earlier stage? Saw his interview on Eurosport by the way.
 
The plan for my Ag2r La Mondiale team today was to try and get Christophe Riblon, Maxime Bouet or Blel Kadri in the break and hopefully they could survive to the finish and have a chance of winning the stage.Christophe is one of those riders who, when he wants to get into the break, usually gets into it. Last year, he made it into the race-winning move on stage 14 and took his first ever Tour de France stage victory at Ax 3 Domaines. Today he instigated a nine-man move after just eight kilometres and by the time they reached the biggest climb of the day, the second-category climb of the Col de la Croix Saint Robert, with 30km to go, were still a couple of minutes clear.
In the peloton behind, there were a lot of attacks near the top and everybody was looking at each other to see who would react first. Eventually, Alexandre Vinokourov of Astana jumped clear and that made the BMC team of second-placed Cadel
Evans ride for the final kilometre of the climb.
Going through the village of Besse, six kilometres from the uphill finish, Christophe was still ahead with Spaniard Rui Costa, American Tejay Van Garderen (HTC-Highroad) and Frenchman Cyril Gautier (Europcar), while Vinokourov and
Juan Antonio Flecha of Team Sky had joined him in the lead group.
Mistake
The climb to the finish was all-action. I wasn't the most comfortable but at least I hung on. I stayed in the top 20 for as long as I could. I was hoping to stay there without having to fight too much and rode the climb on the little chainring at the front. With about 600m to go, a lot of guys moved up to the big ring but I stayed with the inner ring. It was probably a mistake, though, as I was out of breath as I tried to spin my legs to keep up with the rest of the group.
Usually, I do the opposite and have to grind a big gear while watching the others spin away from me. I finished 19th, three places behind the yellow jersey to move up to 14th overall.
Evans had begun the day just a second behind race leader
Thor Hushovd and along with most of the peloton probably expected he'd be in yellow at the finish as the mountainous profile didn't exactly suit the big Norwegian sprinter. However, Thor put in a great display to finish 16th and keep yellow.
I have a lot of respect for Thor. He's one of the guys in the peloton that I'm a fan of. I'd go so far as to say that he's one of my idols in the peloton. It was an amazing ride and he showed great character to hang in on the final climb and keep his yellow jersey for another day.
Thor was my boss when we rode together at
Credit Agricole a few years ago. I spent my first Giro in 2007 riding for him, helping to get him in position for the sprints and I learned a lot from him. In the bunch, Thor is one of the good guys and is well respected. He's got a neat style of riding and moves through the peloton without aggression and is always very polite.
Christophe was only caught by the peloton with about 300m to go. Like me, Christophe likes to give out a bit. If you think I'm grumpy, you should see Christophe when he's tired.
After today's stage he was sitting in the back of the bus with Jean-Christophe and Blel. Even though the rest of us were miles away from him and couldn't hear what they were talking about, we knew by the low tone of his mumblings that Christophe was giving out about something. But that's his character and we love him for it.
My dad is working on this
Tour in a public relations capacity for Skoda and although he has never been too far away all week, we haven't really had time to catch up. The other day he brought a few VIP guests onto my Ag2r La Mondiale team bus to show them around but we hadn't time to chat for long.
This morning he called over to my hotel at breakfast time and myself and my girlfriend Chiara, who has arrived along with some of the guys' wives for Monday's rest day, had a quick coffee and a chat with him. We didn't talk shop, though, and just spent the time shooting the breeze about nothing really.
With seven climbs on the agenda today, I wasn't too impressed to be greeted by yet more rain at the start. We've had six days out of eight in the wet now and it takes the pleasure out of the race.
You go through the whole early season in the cold rain so when you arrive at the Tour in July, you expect a little sunshine. Instead of 25 degrees and sunny though it's been 15 degrees and raining. I might as well be in
Ireland.
A five-man breakaway group containing Luis Leon Sanchez, Juan Antonio
Flecha, Sandy Casar, Thomas Voeckler and Johnny Hoogerland were almost four minutes up the road by the time we reached the first second-category climb of the day, the Col du pas de Payrol. With Voeckler threatening to move into yellow if the break finished more than a minute and a half clear, the climb was ridden at a pretty quick tempo with Hushovd's Garmin team setting the pace.
I was a bit further back than normal on the climb for two reasons: there was no real need to be in the top five or 10 going across the summit, and I was a bit tired. I stayed around the top 30 riders and while the pace wasn't hard enough to be dropped, it was just enough to deter attacks on the way up.
The descent was very dicey, with patches of wet road on some of the corners. I was around 30th man in the line on the way down and going around one of the left-hand bends there were bodies and bikes all over the place.
As Andreas Kloden of Radioshack limped out of the ditch to my right, Jurgen Van Den Broeck, who was fifth last year, was lying prone in the middle of the road. I had to pull my foot out of the pedal and go up on the grass to get around him.
The bunch slowed down as I heard over the radio that Vinokourov had gone over the barriers into a forest. I later found out that he broke his pelvis and his femur. The crash also claimed Dave Zabriskie of Garmin with a broken wrist, and lots of riders stopped to assist their various leaders while others looked down the slope into the woods in search of their team-mates.
At the foot of the next climb of the Col du Perthus, race leader Hushovd and points competition leader Philippe Gilbert had a chat at the front of the bunch and, out of that, the climb was ridden a slower pace in order to allow the riders involved in the chaos behind regain contact. This meant, however, that the breakaway's lead grew to seven minutes by the time we got to the top and Hushovd would lose the race lead by the end of the stage.
Up front, the break was nearly wiped out altogether when an official car tried to pass them but hit Flecha, who brought down new King of the Mountains Hoogerland. I didn't find out what happened until afterwards but couldn't help notice the blood streaming down his leg as we caught him a few kilometres later. He had been catapulted onto a barbed wire fence in the crash.
Chase
With about 12km to go, and the gap still around four minutes, Hushovd's Garmin team gave up the chase and the other three stayed away to the finish where Sanchez won the stage and Voeckler took yellow.
I had a really hard time at the bottom of the finishing climb today but then slowly found my rhythm. The group began to split in the final metres, though, and as I was right at the back, I tried to move up the inside but
Levi Leipheimer didn't see me and closed the gap on the last bend.
He took the short way around the corner and I had to go around him and lost the wheel in front of me. As on the stage to Mur de Bretagne, I was only a couple of lengths behind the wheel in front, but as the time is taken from the front of the group, I lost eight seconds, finishing 17th on the stage. But I moved up to 13th overall.
I'm disappointed to have thrown away another eight seconds as I definitely had the legs to stay with the front part.
On the other hand, I'm happy that my condition is improving and even though I crashed on Stage 1, I've gotten through the first week without too much trouble. I lost 19 seconds the other day and eight seconds today. Those 27 seconds won't mean much if I lose 20 minutes next week but in the Vuelta last year there was only a minute between six of us in the last few days so it could be important.
I'm looking forward to the rest day now and chilling out with Chiara for a few hours.
[/size]- Nicolas Roche


That bold bit surprised me
 
Its a nice show of sportsmanship and togetherness, when you have the chance to benefit from someone elses misfortune
 
Yup good to see. Thats the way it always has been and always should be, and its good to see that some still hold the 'dont attack a hampered opponent' unwritten rule when the current champion and no.1 name clearly doesnt.
Contadors attack on Schleck last year was a cunts trick.
 
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Yup good to see. Thats the way it always has been and always should be, and its good to see that some still hold the 'dont attack a hampered opponent' unwritten rule when the current champion and no.1 name clearly doesnt.
Contadors attack on Schleck last year was a cunts trick.
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Innit.

I was surprised at the lack of furore at the time....and then given the finishing margins, more should have been made of it.

Also, a broken femur and pelvis is really horrible, but if one person in the peloton HAD to get it, you'd proabably pick Vinokourov....
 
Yes, anyone with drug suspicions hanging over them can do one. That's why I want contador to fail horribly (see podium prediction in earlier post).

A propos, a mate of mine is doing the étape du tour today.

110 km with including Galibier and then Alpe d'Huez to finish.

I envy him and I don't all at the same time.
 
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