UEFA CL League Phase Draw
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Arsenal in pot 2?! I thought they were the best team in the Europe?Gets underway this Thursday, last round of play off qualifies taking place tomorrow.
Here are the confirmed pots, the teams without the green ticks next to name should make the league phase
Pot 2 is better than Pot 1.
2 is twice as much as 1, so the teams are twice as good, obviously.
They'll claim whichever pot you're in is irrelevant just as strongly as do they claiming they're the best team in Europe.
You thought Arsenal wouldn't be in second spot? Tsk.
Rodgers found out !
Yeah, about 10 years ago. The stupid buck tooth walrus looking adultering cunt.
Fuck the Dubs! 😉
Teams from Luxembourg and - wait for it - San Marino are higher in the UEFA rankings than this Skyrat lot.
That said, the Celtic board cut the ground out from under Brodgers by selling their best players and not replacing them.
That said, the Celtic board cut the ground out from under Brodgers by selling their best players and not replacing them.
are we back to 4 teams groups
Seems so. I quite liked/preferred the league but final positions needed to be rewarded.
No, no, just me stuck in the past and a few vins too many at the time.
Got to say I wasn't a fan. Apart from anything else it's a step back towards reviving the dratted Super League.
Nope. Only changes were to the QF and SF rounds, where the team which finishes higher in the league table will now have the 2nd leg at home (was random in the 24/25 tournament).
I thought the new format was shit. Too many permutations to be able to put each result in context. Not to mention the inherent unfairness of it. The entertaining but way too chaotic scramble on the last matchday wasn't enough compensation.
People complaining about dead rubbers in the old format need to understand that under a league format they're an inevitable consequence of a fair process. The only way around them is making everything more random, which means unfair.
People complaining about dead rubbers in the old format need to understand that under a league format they're an inevitable consequence of a fair process. The only way around them is making everything more random, which means unfair.
Soon as Real or PSG go out in knockout round 16, I bet they will introduce a level of seeding that is designed to protect them in the knockouts which isn’t aligned to only league positions.
The only thing good about the new CL is the cash, rest is crap and a worse product. The knockouts in the previous CLs were already fantastic with attacking high scoring games in both legs. This new league format is to guarantee more games and more teams.
The only thing good about the new CL is the cash, rest is crap and a worse product. The knockouts in the previous CLs were already fantastic with attacking high scoring games in both legs. This new league format is to guarantee more games and more teams.
I don't mind the new format but it definitely needs some minor tweaking with the seeding to prevent a recurrence of situations like what happened last year with PSG, City and Real underperforming in the group stages and the teams who finished top not being appropriately rewarded.
I think it was just freakish, and we can just (1) curse our luck and (2) blame ourselves for not scoring our penalties.The round of 16 uses the bracket format that's used in other sports (e.g. NBA basketball) and occasionally, a strong team, for whatever reason (injuries, suspensions, bad juju, outside influence - ahem, whatever) slips to a false position and causes the bracket to be fucked up a bit.
This format is designed to favour the tier 1 clubs under most (normal) circumstances, so I don't see UEFA wanting to change it, unless it's to add even more games for revenue reasons.
This format is designed to favour the tier 1 clubs under most (normal) circumstances, so I don't see UEFA wanting to change it, unless it's to add even more games for revenue reasons.
I don't get the beef with drawing PSG last season. It was a relatively unlucky random outcome that was caused by PSG being relatively crap in the league phase. If they had performed to their level then we wouldn't have got them.
Similar things would happen in previous years when a team that topped their group could end up facing Real Madrid in the first knockout round as Madrid only scraped through the group phase.
How would you address it - if the draw means Liverpool end up facing a team that was poor in the first half of the season, but is much improved in the second half of the season, then do it again?
Similar things would happen in previous years when a team that topped their group could end up facing Real Madrid in the first knockout round as Madrid only scraped through the group phase.
How would you address it - if the draw means Liverpool end up facing a team that was poor in the first half of the season, but is much improved in the second half of the season, then do it again?
The randomness is inherent to the format because they don't play anywhere near enough fixtures to properly sort 36 teams.
The 8 team groups that emerge at the end are probably relatively fairly ranked, but within them it might as well be random.
Normally would agree but an 8 game league format doesn't leave enough for anthing but the random order that could lead to the final placings in a 24 pick selection. I believe going into the last game last season, at there was only 3pts between I think 6-10 teams if I remember correctly (probably remembering it all wrong). So last season in fact, PSG actually finished 15th originally and came out of an extra knockout which was always likely. They may have had extra games but with crappy French league, they were able to rest a whole load of players while we were in midst of the usual PL race where we had less chance to. So I believe we should have as grou winners played the lowest placed unseeded time coming out of the winners of the knockout (9-16 placed team) rather than seeded team like PSG. That will ensure value to finishing top of a league format. Not checked on how it was decided but last season but didn't seem the case.
It was pre-drawn. The qualifying knockout round was 9th vs 24th, 10th vs 23rd and so on, but the next round was preset and that may be where the mistake was. The league winners go to play the winners of 16th v 17th, which, if you work on the assumption that the highest placed teams all win their qualifying knockout tie then the league winners would play the lowest team from the league stages - if you preset the post qualifying round draw that is the fairest way to do it.
So maybe the answer would be to decide the next knockout round pairings after the qualifying round was completed with the winners playing the lowest placed from the league stage or, as you suggest, the lowest placed of the lowest ranked teams, so I get your point, but it does mean if a Pot 4 team got 9th the winners may end up playing them (assuming all other pot 4 teams are knocked out), which could also be deemed unfair.
Ultimately in any knockout competition there is a "luck of the draw" element
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