I'd prefer if he didn't score for Spurs at all. Not arsed what he does for England, really.
Not sure Aguero is exactly "The Assist King" either.
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I'd prefer if he didn't score for Spurs at all. Not arsed what he does for England, really.
Not sure Aguero is exactly "The Assist King" either.
Is it not better that we're not relying on one striker to pull a goal out of the fire and the goals can be spread around? When Firmino plays up top it more of a floating position than most of the above play. I agree all our attackers could do with being as ruthless in front of goal as some of the above, but I think the likes of Firmino, Coutinho and Mane are all capable of a goal out of nothing to settle a game.
I appreciate that, of course. Having only one threat for a team to negate - or fall foul of injury and form - is obviously very damaging.
But, as I've already gone through on here before, looking at recent Champions, they almost always have at least one player who contributes around 20 Premiership goals (or more). So I'm simply going on recent historical data and facts.
Leicester: Vardy (24)
Chelsea: Costa (20)
City: Toure (20), Aguero (17)
United: RVP (26)
City: Aguero (23)
United: Berbatov (20)
Chelsea: Drogba (29)
Now perhaps this isn't significant. Perhaps it's a sign of football being "reinvented" (again) that you don't actually need a player who is a regular, reliable goalscorer in order to win the league.
But I'm not really interested in "perhaps".
Firmino also played about 40% of his games last season in other positions then a centre forward.
You'd think a team would be much stronger if the goals are spread around the attack, then being solely dependent on one striker. If he's having an off day - you're fucked.
So far after 7 games we've got 4 players on 3 goals and 1 on 4 goals.
And to add to that you got Ings, Sturridge and Origi to start scoring.
Doesnt look like goals will be a problem.
Last season when Vardy scored 24 and Kane 25, they still only scored 6 more league goals then us in total.
68 and 69 to our 63.
We conceded 50 goals though. Thats were the problem is and what we have to work on.
Scoring goals arent a problem.
You'd think a team would be much stronger if the goals are spread around the attack, then being solely dependent on one striker. If he's having an off day - you're fucked.
So far after 7 games we've got 4 players on 3 goals and 1 on 4 goals.
And to add to that you got Ings, Sturridge and Origi to start scoring.
Doesnt look like goals will be a problem.
Last season when Vardy scored 24 and Kane 25, they still only scored 6 more league goals then us in total.
68 and 69 to our 63.
We conceded 50 goals though. Thats were the problem is and what we have to work on.
Scoring goals arent a problem.
One plays as a striker, the other doesn't. Why compare the two?
The Logic behind that kind of argumentation suggest that we would be a better team with Zlatan or Costa in it.... Or even worse, that Logic suggest Chelsea and Man U got their tactics right compared to us. Laughable.
not really. they all fitted their team,s style and are all very different players. we'd deffo be better with aguero.
I don't think anyone would argue that we'd be a better team with a striker like Aguero or Costa in the team
Anyone who isn't totally fucking mental, anyway
Anyone who isn't totally fucking mental, anyway
Ah, the Firmino isn't playing as a striker argument. So we don't have one sometimes?
I don't think we'd be a better team with Costa in it.
Frimino is a very good player and our team is better as a whole with him in the team. I prefer it when we also start with Sturridge but then I'm greedy and like to see our best attacking players in the one team.
Brendan, you seem to have one or two stock replies for this season;
Brendan, you seem to have one or two stock replies for this season;
- Origi isn't a very good player.
- Frimino doesn't score enough goals.
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Must I really explain this *again*? Check out my response to you in the Firmino thread.
Plus -
4) our defence is still appalling and we will never win the title unless we fix it properly
All are correct at time of writing, too.
But we've seen some nice movement in the general acknowledgement that your main striker and top scorer has to get more than 10 league goals, probably between 15 and 20.
We're getting there.
4) our defence is still appalling and we will never win the title unless we fix it properly
All are correct at time of writing, too.
But we've seen some nice movement in the general acknowledgement that your main striker and top scorer has to get more than 10 league goals, probably between 15 and 20.
We're getting there.
Fucking fucking fucking hell.
What if your system means that you don't really have a 'main striker', but a group of interchanging attacking players, each likely to get 10-15 goals? BECAUSE THAT IS THE FUCKING SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE! If you want us to play a 'frontman' who plays on the shoulder of the last defender that's fine, but it isn't the cunting system that Klopp plays! If you'd prefer this system that's fine, but Mane won't be scoring as many goals, neither will Coutinho, or Lallana or whoever we have playing in the group of players involved in the more forward positions.
Coutinho, Lallana, Firmino and Mane are likely to get 10-15 Premiership goals each?
Wow, great! Well, if it's closer to 10 each that's 40 in total, which isn't great, because it isn't anywhere near enough.
But if it's 15 each, that's about 60, so we just need to find maybe 10-15 more from around the team. Actually, we'd probably need at least 80 goals given how shit our defence is.
I suppose the other problem is that those four won't actually score 15 each, given that Coutinho's best ever total is 8, Firmino's is 10, Lallana's managed 9 in his last two seasons combined, Mane's good for about 10 or 11. So we're a bit short still.
We need a striker to score 20 on top of that. Hopefully Sturridge can stay fit, as he's the only one in the squad capable.
This is fun!
I did the maths in another thread. We'll score at least 80 with no-one breaking 15. Bookmark this.
If by "doing the maths" you mean "hopefully attributing a number of goals that the players concerned have never previously managed to achieve in a single season (in some cases several seasons combined) in order to come up with an entirely spurious total based on absolutely fuck all" then yes, you have done the maths.
Its so bloody obvious.... If Klopp had known this before he would have won that CL final and a lot of other stuff too..... But we seem to be stuck with what you called heim- the incapable one- and that Brazilian with funnet hair while Chelsea has Conte and Costa. It is not fair. Especially taken into account that Spurs has all the good players!! Why do Londoners have all the luck??? Hahaha
Yeah.
Your maths is flawed. When you have one striker, who scores 20 goals, there is a distribution of how those goals are spread out over a season. They will come in patches, they will come in braces, and there'll be periods where they don't come at all. Because you're relying upon one cunt, the statistical variance is very high.
When you have three strikers, it is highly unlikely that you'll suffer the same patchy return. It will be smoother and more consistent goals. So you need less goals to get the same return, your efficiency is higher. Think of it in terms of points per goal.
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