What's 1 (it could be more than 1) football related controversial take you have?

[bluebell]

I think everyone has controversial takes, me more than anyone. Whats one out there thought/take you have you stand by regardless that it goes against consensus? I think Rooney was/is over rated. I didn't like the guy who would normally pass as someone who lives under a bridge with a dark swamp green complexion.
He was a good player, but I just didn't rate him or enjoy anything he did.

 

[Dreambeliever]

@tombrown is a bot.

 

[tombrown]

tombot or botbrown

 

[StevieM]

By the time Dreamie’s finished posting his “controversial takes” we’ll be looking forward to season 2038/39 and the only posters left will be the bots (and Dreamie - for he is eternal).

 

[Fabio]

Neymar was a show pony and carried by better team mates at club level. At international level he was a failure

 

[bluebell]

Neymar was a show pony and carried by better team mates at club level. At international level he was a failure

I wouldn't disagree.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Neymar was a show pony and carried by better team mates at club level. At international level he was a failure

Hard no on this. He was sublime for club and country.

 

[mike2903]

Eddie Howe's football is modern day Wimbledon. All dark arts, diving, bullying and fouling.

If he ever becomes Liverpool's manager I will not watch a single minute of it.

 

[Modo]

Where do I begin? 😅

The obvious one is that I never liked Carra as a player. Always had a mistake in him, and holds the own goal record at LFC.
I quickly learned that scousers are very forgiving when it comes to their own.

The only way he'd make a top ten list of defenders at LFC since the PL start is through longevity. On skill, I could easily name 10 who were/are better than him. (Keyword: defenders)

 

[bluebell]

@moron was right about Trent. I wanted the club to renew his contract, Moron called out the cunt. I ignored all his mistakes because of the Hollywood Pass he would make.
As a player the cunt was limited and to call him "Generational" was pure delusion

 

[Fabio]

Where do I begin? 😅

The obvious one is that I never liked Carra as a player. Always had a mistake in him, and holds the own goal record at LFC.
I quickly learned that scousers are very forgiving when it comes to their own.

The only way he'd make a top ten list of defenders at LFC since the PL start is through longevity. On skill, I could easily name 10 who were/are better than him. (Keyword: defenders)

Top 10 think is a stretch. Even if you were being very very forgiving and generous to others, hes definitely top 10

VVD
Sami
Matip
Ibou
Henchoz
Agger
Gomez
Skrtel
Lovren
Carra


I'm not having that he worse worse than Sakho, the greek, klavan, wright, scales, ruddock, babb or Coates.

 

[Modo]

Top 10 think is a stretch. Even if you were being very very forgiving and generous to others, hes definitely top 10

VVD
Sami
Matip
Ibou
Henchoz
Agger
Gomez
Skrtel
Lovren
Carra


I'm not having that he worse worse than Sakho, the greek, klavan, wright, scales, ruddock, babb or Coates.

Yeah he definitely makes the top 10 CB list, because we've basically only had 10 capable CB's since then 🤣.

But on a defenders list....I mean since Carra also was a LB and a RB...

 

[doctor_mac]

Ffs, Carra was better than Lovren, Skrtel, Henchoz, Agger and others on that list. You can't forget Carra was also a leader, someone who took responsibility and was constantly organising the players around him. That was a quality that made him first choice for about 10 years. There's some proper revisionist bollocks about Carra. He was a fantastic defender for us.

 

[Fabio]

Yeah he definitely makes the top 10 CB list, because we've basically only had 10 capable CB's since then 🤣.

But on a defenders list....I mean since Carra also was a LB and a RB...

Ahhhhh ok. I was just doing CB as i misunderstood. For actual defenders i still think top 10, but it's not wildly out there

 

[Fabio]

Ffs, Carra was better than Lovren, Skrtel, Henchoz, Agger and others on that list. You can't forget Carea was also a leader, someone who took responsibility and was constantly organising the players around him. That was a quality that made him first choice for about 10 years. There's some proper revisionist bollocks about Carra. He was a fantastic defender for us.

I agree. I was just trying to play the most devilish of advocates and still falling short

 

[tombrown]

Steve Mcmanaman flattered to deceive

 

[the count]

On his best form, Joe Gomez was a better centre half and partner for Virgil than Matip.

 

[Woland]

I couldn't agree less about Rooney. He terrorised us. He always played better than Ronaldo whenever I watched them live. He scared the shit out of me every time we played them and rightly so, he was on another level.

Agree about Neymar. Never did get the hype. Total fanny.

 

[Woland]

Anyways my controversial take is that every team in world football should have at least four starters in the team born in the city it represents.

 

[FreshRed]

Anyways my controversial take is that every team in world football should have at least four starters in the team born in the city it represents.

I like the concept, but would drastically favor any team based in a large city. The pool available for West Ham vs Southampton would be 30x bigger.

Maybe X starters born with 100 miles?

 

[Fabio]

I couldn't agree less about Rooney. He terrorised us. He always played better than Ronaldo whenever I watched them live. He scared the shit out of me every time we played them and rightly so, he was on another level.

Agree about Neymar. Never did get the hype. Total fanny.

Agree. Rooney (for me) is probably the best PL player. Turned up whatever the occasion. Phenomenal technique. Elite mentality. He just wasn't as aesthetically pleasing or marketable as Henry, so he was never going to take the mantle.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

I like the concept, but would drastically favor any team based in a large city. The pool available for West Ham vs Southampton would be 30x bigger.

Maybe X starters born with 100 miles?

Closest league ground to the house you grew up in. Assuming there are more in more heavily populated areas, that would even it out a bit.

 

[bazazaba]

Some referees are bent, some players are dishonest, ergo, some games are fixed.

 

[FreshRed]

Some referees are bent, some players are dishonest, ergo, some games are fixed.

What’s controversial about that?

 

[Beamrider]

With all the money on offer in the game, it's inevitable that many players are doping, and it's down to testing incompetence (or smart club doctors) that they aren't being caught.
[To be clear, this isn't based on any insider knowledge, it's just something I happen to believe]

 

[Woland]

I like the concept, but would drastically favor any team based in a large city. The pool available for West Ham vs Southampton would be 30x bigger.

Maybe X starters born with 100 miles?

Nah, Southampton can fuck off. Bigger cities already do. Where are the so called big six from? The biggest cities in the country. Where are the next ones trying everything to get into that gang from? Another couple of the biggest cities in the country.

 

[peterhague]

I wouldn't go as far as Woland but I definitely don't like that we don't have a single British player in our first team. And it's like that in all the European leagues too. I think you lose a lot when teams don't have a bit of a local flavour.

 

[Judge Jules]

Jaap Stam was widely overrated. He was very quick after the first ten yards and very powerful in the tackle but got done quite often over the first ten yards, he had a big leap on him but his headers went all over the place, and his distribution and dead ball kicks were hopeless.

 

[Full Stop]

The obvious one is that I never liked Carra as a player.

?

How could that be possible? That cannot be true.

 

[Full Stop]

Ffs, Carra was better than Lovren, Skrtel, Henchoz, Agger and others on that list. You can't forget Carea was also a leader, someone who took responsibility and was constantly organising the players around him. That was a quality that made him first choice for about 10 years. There's some proper revisionist bollocks about Carra. He was a fantastic defender for us.

Carra had more than a couple of things going for him. He had great awareness. He knew where and how to position himself. Which is huge for centre backs. Then he also knew how to read the game. Reading the game is part of awareness. Hew knew how to position himself because he knew how to read the game. What's remarkable about Carra was that he had a tremendous career as a centre back all the while he did not have great physical attributes. He had no speed. But was a great reader of the game with great awareness and positioning. And then leadership too. We didn't win that title w/ Rodgers because he retired one year too soon. He could've stayed w/ f. Stevie and played another 20-30 games. We actually needed cover at that position during that season.