You can also add in the fact that his pass completion in the last match against Stoke was pretty much equal to Aggers, and no worse than any of our other defenders. He's just as good as anyone.
Poll would you drop carra?
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The stats seem to favour Carra, I must admit. But it was 2 years ago.
I don't remember me complaining about Carra back then.
I do understand that defenders need to clear the ball from time to time but it just seems that Carra prefers to play it long and bypass the midfield. What's frustrating is when he does it despite having an unmarked player about 10 meters from him. I haven't said a word about his completion rate. He probably does find the right player more often than not, but then what?
We have a young Uruguayan, South american champion who handled the likes of Messi, Aguero and Tevez.
Why not give him a shot?
I don't remember me complaining about Carra back then.
I do understand that defenders need to clear the ball from time to time but it just seems that Carra prefers to play it long and bypass the midfield. What's frustrating is when he does it despite having an unmarked player about 10 meters from him. I haven't said a word about his completion rate. He probably does find the right player more often than not, but then what?
We have a young Uruguayan, South american champion who handled the likes of Messi, Aguero and Tevez.
Why not give him a shot?
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399000#msg1399000 date=1316022401]
You can also add in the fact that his pass completion in the last match against Stoke was pretty much equal to Aggers, and no worse than any of our other defenders. He's just as good as anyone.
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Sell Carroll
You can also add in the fact that his pass completion in the last match against Stoke was pretty much equal to Aggers, and no worse than any of our other defenders. He's just as good as anyone.
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Sell Carroll
Modo, Coates is young, living in a foreign country where he can't speak the language and coming to play in a breakneck paced league. Let him settle and adjust. He will get his chance when the management team think he's ready and, believe it or not, they know much better than me and you when that will be. Again, have some patience. This is reality not a game of FIFA or PES you know.
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46831.msg1398847#msg1398847 date=1315992371]
That poll is a fucking disgrace.
As are some of the comments in this thread. I've tried not to post in this thread cos it's pissed me off so much, but I have to.
We'll see at the end of the season exactly what input Carra has to our season, but I bet it's a fucking big & fucking positive one.
Oh, & BTW, anyone who genuinely thinks putting in Coates against Spurs this weekend, & especially Everton in a couple of weeks, is a better option than Carra is completely mental.
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You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
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I dont quite understand the need for that comment, but I'd like to think I don't need to add 'IMO' to the end of every sentence.
Im also well aware that everyone doesn't share my opinion, nor would I want them too, this forum would be pointless if so. I can however be surprised at how many people want to write off Carra, who has saved us more times than I can remember, in favour of a south American they've seen a handful of times.
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=46831.msg1398847#msg1398847 date=1315992371]
That poll is a fucking disgrace.
As are some of the comments in this thread. I've tried not to post in this thread cos it's pissed me off so much, but I have to.
We'll see at the end of the season exactly what input Carra has to our season, but I bet it's a fucking big & fucking positive one.
Oh, & BTW, anyone who genuinely thinks putting in Coates against Spurs this weekend, & especially Everton in a couple of weeks, is a better option than Carra is completely mental.
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You seem to have a bit of an ego thing going on here. Would you prefer that the forum delay passing comment on topics until you've expressed your opinion so that everyone will know what to agree with?
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I dont quite understand the need for that comment, but I'd like to think I don't need to add 'IMO' to the end of every sentence.
Im also well aware that everyone doesn't share my opinion, nor would I want them too, this forum would be pointless if so. I can however be surprised at how many people want to write off Carra, who has saved us more times than I can remember, in favour of a south American they've seen a handful of times.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46831.msg1399065#msg1399065 date=1316029051]
Modo, Coates is young, living in a foreign country where he can't speak the language and coming to play in a breakneck paced league. Let him settle and adjust. He will get his chance when the management team think he's ready and, believe it or not, they know much better than me and you when that will be. Again, have some patience. This is reality not a game of FIFA or PES you know.
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Worked for Hernandez though didn't it?
OK, how about Skrtel then?
Modo, Coates is young, living in a foreign country where he can't speak the language and coming to play in a breakneck paced league. Let him settle and adjust. He will get his chance when the management team think he's ready and, believe it or not, they know much better than me and you when that will be. Again, have some patience. This is reality not a game of FIFA or PES you know.
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Worked for Hernandez though didn't it?
OK, how about Skrtel then?
It's much different with a striker, a lot more organisation and understanding is required not to fuck up at CB.
Coates needs to get used to those playing alongside him in training before he can be pitched in, we're in no rush simply because an iffy penalty was given against Carra at the weekend and Stoke scored from their one and only shot on target.
Coates needs to get used to those playing alongside him in training before he can be pitched in, we're in no rush simply because an iffy penalty was given against Carra at the weekend and Stoke scored from their one and only shot on target.
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There have been posters here writing off Carra for the last two or three seasons at least.
They will be right some day but not in the immediate future.
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There have been posters writing him off from day one.
There have been posters here writing off Carra for the last two or three seasons at least.
They will be right some day but not in the immediate future.
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There have been posters writing him off from day one.
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[quote author=the count link=topic=46831.msg1399090#msg1399090 date=1316031331]
There have been posters here writing off Carra for the last two or three seasons at least.
They will be right some day but not in the immediate future.
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There have been posters writing him off from day one.
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[quote author=the count link=topic=46831.msg1399090#msg1399090 date=1316031331]
There have been posters here writing off Carra for the last two or three seasons at least.
They will be right some day but not in the immediate future.
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There have been posters writing him off from day one.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46831.msg1399061#msg1399061 date=1316028518]
No he helps us keep possession, especially in away games.
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Neil?
No he helps us keep possession, especially in away games.
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Neil?
Only just realised this was a poll thread (and have now voted).
I'm gobsmacked at the poll result. I'm all up for opening up the debate (see my earlier post), but does anyone really think it's a good idea to drop him now after a couple of mistakes at the start of the season?
If there's a suspicion he's on the decline then surely 2 games (out of 4) is little evidence? Moreover, it's hardly a new phenomenon for Carra to be a bit rusty at the start of a season. We'd need to give him to at least the end of October/November to draw any short-term hypotheses about his immediate future.
I'm gobsmacked at the poll result. I'm all up for opening up the debate (see my earlier post), but does anyone really think it's a good idea to drop him now after a couple of mistakes at the start of the season?
If there's a suspicion he's on the decline then surely 2 games (out of 4) is little evidence? Moreover, it's hardly a new phenomenon for Carra to be a bit rusty at the start of a season. We'd need to give him to at least the end of October/November to draw any short-term hypotheses about his immediate future.
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I'm gobsmacked at the poll result. I'm all up for opening up the debate (see my earlier post), but does anyone really think it's a good idea to drop him now after a couple of mistakes at the start of the season?
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I agree it's the wrong question. Faced with the two alternatives I voted "yes" but in reality Carra should be phased out gradually as the new defence beds in and gains confidence.
I'm gobsmacked at the poll result. I'm all up for opening up the debate (see my earlier post), but does anyone really think it's a good idea to drop him now after a couple of mistakes at the start of the season?
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I agree it's the wrong question. Faced with the two alternatives I voted "yes" but in reality Carra should be phased out gradually as the new defence beds in and gains confidence.
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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46831.msg1399143#msg1399143 date=1316067452]
I'm gobsmacked at the poll result. I'm all up for opening up the debate (see my earlier post), but does anyone really think it's a good idea to drop him now after a couple of mistakes at the start of the season?
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I agree it's the wrong question. Faced with the two alternatives I voted "yes" but in reality Carra should be phased out gradually as the new defence beds in and gains confidence.
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Yup. Imo use cup games to play the possible combinations and see how they do
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46831.msg1399143#msg1399143 date=1316067452]
I'm gobsmacked at the poll result. I'm all up for opening up the debate (see my earlier post), but does anyone really think it's a good idea to drop him now after a couple of mistakes at the start of the season?
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I agree it's the wrong question. Faced with the two alternatives I voted "yes" but in reality Carra should be phased out gradually as the new defence beds in and gains confidence.
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Yup. Imo use cup games to play the possible combinations and see how they do
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399000#msg1399000 date=1316022401]
You can also add in the fact that his pass completion in the last match against Stoke was pretty much equal to Aggers, and no worse than any of our other defenders. He's just as good as anyone.
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So Carra's pass completion is almost as good as Agger but does that mean he is not prone to mistakes?
What has pass completion got anything to do with we replacing him? He's slow, sluggish and old. I know his experience is the most important thing and he organizes defence better but like i said above, due to his silly mistakes giving penalties to opposition would make us suffer. Experience player like him should know better.
Please sit on the bench Jamie.
You can also add in the fact that his pass completion in the last match against Stoke was pretty much equal to Aggers, and no worse than any of our other defenders. He's just as good as anyone.
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So Carra's pass completion is almost as good as Agger but does that mean he is not prone to mistakes?
What has pass completion got anything to do with we replacing him? He's slow, sluggish and old. I know his experience is the most important thing and he organizes defence better but like i said above, due to his silly mistakes giving penalties to opposition would make us suffer. Experience player like him should know better.
Please sit on the bench Jamie.
When I voted I voted on current form...and yes on current form Carra, I feel, should be dropped. Nostalgia aside, thats the way the team should be picked. If building a competitive squad was the management and owners main goal and they believe they've done so, then no one, not Carra, Gerrard or anyone else for that matter should be guaranteed a place. Supporters who are of the opinion that he's done this and he's done that over the years are talking bollox if they think the form and game saving tackles of years ago should merit Jamie with a starting place! It's that kind of thinking (and one I personally hope Kenny doesnt share) that will see us falling into the lower half of the top ten in no time. The team HAS to be picked on current form. I love Carra I really do and I know one day he will hang up his boots and move on but for right now I think he should be dropped just to be given a wake up call...I do trust him to bounce back from it though! I dont think he's finished by any means but no one should be guaranteed a place and maybe he needs to see just how hungry the younger center halves are! 8)
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
[/quote]Youve rocked this thread GAT.
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
[/quote]Youve rocked this thread GAT.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
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OK, so when do you drop Carra?
And how will Coates, Kelly or someone else even get to the "plate"?
And how do you go about phasing a central defender out?
Was Hyypia phased out? Or was he just replaced by Agger?
I don't remember any "phasing".
One day he was there and the next day he wasn't.
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
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OK, so when do you drop Carra?
And how will Coates, Kelly or someone else even get to the "plate"?
And how do you go about phasing a central defender out?
Was Hyypia phased out? Or was he just replaced by Agger?
I don't remember any "phasing".
One day he was there and the next day he wasn't.
It's usually our left backs who step up to the plate.
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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
[/quote]Youve rocked this thread GAT.
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Cheers.
I've felt like throwing some rocks too.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
[/quote]Youve rocked this thread GAT.
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Cheers.
I've felt like throwing some rocks too.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1399254#msg1399254 date=1316105155]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
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OK, so when do you drop Carra?
And how will Coates, Kelly or someone else even get to the "plate"?
And how do you go about phasing a central defender out?
Was Hyypia phased out? Or was he just replaced by Agger?
I don't remember any "phasing".
One day he was there and the next day he wasn't.
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Funny you should mention Hyypia, it's a similar situation. He was playing up until the day he left, he played pretty much all the games until his last season where he played half of them. People were writing him off for years. wrongly. And then he went on to be a top player in Germany. It's still too soon for Carra, its even worse now than with Hyypia. At least with WaMu we had Carra, now we have a crock and a relatively average replacement(not to mention a couple of young players who we don't know enough about).
As to how you phase him out, you give all our players a chance to play with him, see what they can do, if they consistently out perform him, you give them their chance full time. None of defenders look capable of doing that so far. I'm hoping that will change.
The point is he's still our best defender until proven otherwise. He has nothing to prove, the rest of our defence does.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
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OK, so when do you drop Carra?
And how will Coates, Kelly or someone else even get to the "plate"?
And how do you go about phasing a central defender out?
Was Hyypia phased out? Or was he just replaced by Agger?
I don't remember any "phasing".
One day he was there and the next day he wasn't.
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Funny you should mention Hyypia, it's a similar situation. He was playing up until the day he left, he played pretty much all the games until his last season where he played half of them. People were writing him off for years. wrongly. And then he went on to be a top player in Germany. It's still too soon for Carra, its even worse now than with Hyypia. At least with WaMu we had Carra, now we have a crock and a relatively average replacement(not to mention a couple of young players who we don't know enough about).
As to how you phase him out, you give all our players a chance to play with him, see what they can do, if they consistently out perform him, you give them their chance full time. None of defenders look capable of doing that so far. I'm hoping that will change.
The point is he's still our best defender until proven otherwise. He has nothing to prove, the rest of our defence does.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399260#msg1399260 date=1316106260]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1399254#msg1399254 date=1316105155]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
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OK, so when do you drop Carra?
And how will Coates, Kelly or someone else even get to the "plate"?
And how do you go about phasing a central defender out?
Was Hyypia phased out? Or was he just replaced by Agger?
I don't remember any "phasing".
One day he was there and the next day he wasn't.
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Funny you should mention Hyypia, it's a similar situation. He was playing up until the day he left, he played pretty much all the games until his last season where he played half of them. People were writing him off for years. wrongly. And then he went on to be a top player in Germany. It's still too soon for Carra, its even worse now than with Hyypia. At least with WaMu we had Carra, now we have a crock and a relatively average replacement(not to mention a couple of young players who we don't know enough about).
As to how you phase him out, you give all our players a chance to play with him, see what they can do, if they consistently out perform him, you give them their chance full time. None of defenders look capable of doing that so far. I'm hoping that will change.
The point is he's still our best defender until proven otherwise. He has nothing to prove, the rest of our defence does.
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Hyypia was also our best defender until the day he left IMO.
The only reason he played after Agger joined was because he was injured most of the time.
In his first full season at the club Agger played 26 PL games.
Hyypia wasn't "phased" out, it just seemed like it 'cause Agger got injured frequently.
Problem is when do you give the player a chance? Against Brighton?
If he plays a blinder some will claim "it's because it's Brighton, we can't have him on against Man City".
You'll have to choose and IMO, Carra's place in the team isn't that cemented any more.
And btw you're right, Carra is our best defender, by reputation.
In reality Agger has been our best defender so far, this season.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46831.msg1399254#msg1399254 date=1316105155]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=46831.msg1399249#msg1399249 date=1316104055]
You don't drop club legends to give them a wake up call. I'm sure he knows himself that he hasn't been at his best(although I think some people on here have exaggerated it). Dropping him for a game would not improve his form.
Would you drop Reina if he made a few mistakes? I'd hope not, given that we don't have some one, as yet, capable of filling his spot. The same goes for Carragher at present. When we do have a centre back that's proven to be as good as him, then by all means replace him. I think we're a way off finding one though.
Hopefully Coates, Kelly or someone else will step up to the plate.
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OK, so when do you drop Carra?
And how will Coates, Kelly or someone else even get to the "plate"?
And how do you go about phasing a central defender out?
Was Hyypia phased out? Or was he just replaced by Agger?
I don't remember any "phasing".
One day he was there and the next day he wasn't.
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Funny you should mention Hyypia, it's a similar situation. He was playing up until the day he left, he played pretty much all the games until his last season where he played half of them. People were writing him off for years. wrongly. And then he went on to be a top player in Germany. It's still too soon for Carra, its even worse now than with Hyypia. At least with WaMu we had Carra, now we have a crock and a relatively average replacement(not to mention a couple of young players who we don't know enough about).
As to how you phase him out, you give all our players a chance to play with him, see what they can do, if they consistently out perform him, you give them their chance full time. None of defenders look capable of doing that so far. I'm hoping that will change.
The point is he's still our best defender until proven otherwise. He has nothing to prove, the rest of our defence does.
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Hyypia was also our best defender until the day he left IMO.
The only reason he played after Agger joined was because he was injured most of the time.
In his first full season at the club Agger played 26 PL games.
Hyypia wasn't "phased" out, it just seemed like it 'cause Agger got injured frequently.
Problem is when do you give the player a chance? Against Brighton?
If he plays a blinder some will claim "it's because it's Brighton, we can't have him on against Man City".
You'll have to choose and IMO, Carra's place in the team isn't that cemented any more.
And btw you're right, Carra is our best defender, by reputation.
In reality Agger has been our best defender so far, this season.
Agger may look better to you, only because he isn't in the right position to make a mistake as often as he should be.
I could play centre back and never make a mistake that led to a goal if I made sure I was never the furthest man back. It's quiet easy...
I could play centre back and never make a mistake that led to a goal if I made sure I was never the furthest man back. It's quiet easy...
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That must have been a mirage that was out of position then
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He's still been our best CB so far this season though Sunny. No question.
Skrtel played very well last season ... especially when he had Carra beside him. I wouldn't be very confident he could do as well next to Agger but I may be wrong. We didn't pay 7M for a 20 yr old Coates to sit on the bench. I'm sure he will be given chances and will be groomed to replace Carra. I hope to see him given game time (sub appearances / FAC / LC) ASAP.
Those stats Gerry posted are, as is oft pointed out, just lies and then .... I counted Carra hoof it 5 times in one 15 mins spell after HT (then gave up counting) and mamy of his passes were back-passes to Pepe or to Agger. So something is out of kilter. Or just another case of lies, damned lies and statistics proving nothing (and this from someone who loves stats) !
That must have been a mirage that was out of position then
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He's still been our best CB so far this season though Sunny. No question.
Skrtel played very well last season ... especially when he had Carra beside him. I wouldn't be very confident he could do as well next to Agger but I may be wrong. We didn't pay 7M for a 20 yr old Coates to sit on the bench. I'm sure he will be given chances and will be groomed to replace Carra. I hope to see him given game time (sub appearances / FAC / LC) ASAP.
Those stats Gerry posted are, as is oft pointed out, just lies and then .... I counted Carra hoof it 5 times in one 15 mins spell after HT (then gave up counting) and mamy of his passes were back-passes to Pepe or to Agger. So something is out of kilter. Or just another case of lies, damned lies and statistics proving nothing (and this from someone who loves stats) !
Agger has played Ok yeh and his distribution is better. He's far from perfect though. He does get caught out of position still though. For example for the pen when his positioning meant Carra had to scramble across to cover his arse. Coates will get his chance when he's ready. Have we also forgot that footy is a team game and our misfiring forwards are just as culpable for the result ?
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Agger has played Ok yeh and his distribution is better. He's far from perfect though. He does get caught out of position still though. For example for the pen when his positioning meant Carra had to scramble across to cover his arse. Coates will get his chance when he's ready. Have we also forgot that footy is a team game and our misfiring forwards are just as culpable for the result ?
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Carra is too deep and plays the Stoke player on side, agger's crime is he doesn't win the ball in the air rather than being out of position.
Agger has played Ok yeh and his distribution is better. He's far from perfect though. He does get caught out of position still though. For example for the pen when his positioning meant Carra had to scramble across to cover his arse. Coates will get his chance when he's ready. Have we also forgot that footy is a team game and our misfiring forwards are just as culpable for the result ?
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Carra is too deep and plays the Stoke player on side, agger's crime is he doesn't win the ball in the air rather than being out of position.
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