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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399049#msg399049 date=1193824438]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=17199.msg398965#msg398965 date=1193793431]

Well,it's nice that the Brits think that America was superfluous and all that and Monty woud have had Hitler's ass chewed up all by himself.

The Americans were in the war only by Pearl Harbour, but the Lend-Lease Act did help the British stay afloat whilst she was the sole defender of Europe against Germany after the rest had fallen like skittles.


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Britain Bankrupted herself fighting the War, we actually finished paying our War debts to America this Year!

Ohh and America refused to give us a rebuilding loan right after the war causing untold hardship to our nations civilians,

we actually finished War rationing in 1954 NINE YEARS after the War had ended.


1954: Housewives celebrate end of rationing
Fourteen years of food rationing in Britain ended at midnight when restrictions on the sale and purchase of meat and bacon were lifted.

Members of the London Housewives' Association held a special ceremony in London's Trafalgar Square to mark Derationing Day.

The Minister of Fuel and Power, Geoffrey Lloyd, burned a large replica of a ration book at an open meeting in his constituency.

But the Minister of Food, Major Gwilym Lloyd-George, told a meeting at Bebington in Cheshire he would keep his as a souvenir and praised all those traders and organisations that had co-operated with the rationing system.

For the first time since the war began in 1939 London's Smithfield Market opened at midnight instead of 0600 and meat sellers were doing a roaring trade.
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Somewhat off topic, but that's where I was born!!
To answer the original question I like the naive enthusiam of Americans that I have met and I don't mean that in a pejorative way.
As for the WWII discussion I'll use a team sport analogy. If you're playing football and you win then the victory is the result of a team efffort just like when you lose the defeat is due to all team members. Who's more important in a football team the goalkeeper or centre forward? It's a no-brainer.
As for casualties it is estimated that some 25 million Russians died in WWII out of a total of approx 60 million dead worldwide (civilians included). However the most stark casualty statistic from WWII for me is the fact that more people died at Auschwitz (approx 1.1 million) than the total number of US and UK casualties combined (again civilians included).
 
In terms of death toll based on per capita, the nation with the highest death toll was Poland,I think.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=17199.msg399077#msg399077 date=1193825695]

How was it embarassing to need the Americans?

Britain had been the lone nation defending Europe for over 2 years.

America entered the war in 1942, but it did do a lot to keep Britain afloat; Asbo has rightly pointed out that the Lend-Lease Act (which no seems to have mentioned) wasn't exactly generous.

It should be noted that America regarded the war as a European problem; and Hitler went to great lengths to make it look that way.Hitler had in fact courted American and British ties before the war,if anyone remembers.

America had no interest in the Japanese threat because it basically didn't want to shed blood protecting British colonies.

I dislike Hollywood's belief that America won the war by itself,but by the same token, suggesting that it would have been won without America is even dumber.

And why is the war limited to Europe?

When Churchill spoke about 'the greatest capitulation in British history', he wasn't talking about Dunkirk.
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Is right. He was talking about Singapore. Many historians argue that WWII started with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1931.
Here's some interesting info concenring casualties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=17199.msg398661#msg398661 date=1193776731]
It's encouraging to know that we have the US as constant allies though. We know they will stand shoulder to shoulder with us, as we do them, should any of our sovereign territories get invaded such as the Falklands....oh.


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Or indeed, should any of our carribean protectorates get invaded by, umm, America.
 
In 1990 I took a taxi from my friend's house in suburban Maryland to get to church some distance away. The driver turned out to be from Grenada so we spent most of the journey talking cricket, but I was interested to ask a Grenadian living in America how he'd felt about the US invasion. He was totally in favour, and was only embarrassed (that word again) that it had taken someone other than Britain to get rid of "Coard and his bunch of gangsters", as he put it.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399049#msg399049 date=1193824438]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=17199.msg398965#msg398965 date=1193793431]

Well,it's nice that the Brits think that America was superfluous and all that and Monty woud have had Hitler's ass chewed up all by himself.

The Americans were in the war only by Pearl Harbour, but the Lend-Lease Act did help the British stay afloat whilst she was the sole defender of Europe against Germany after the rest had fallen like skittles.


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Britain Bankrupted herself fighting the War, we actually finished paying our War debts to America this Year!

Ohh and America refused to give us a rebuilding loan right after the war causing untold hardship to our nations civilians,

we actually finished War rationing in 1954 NINE YEARS after the War had ended.


1954: Housewives celebrate end of rationing
Fourteen years of food rationing in Britain ended at midnight when restrictions on the sale and purchase of meat and bacon were lifted.

Members of the London Housewives' Association held a special ceremony in London's Trafalgar Square to mark Derationing Day.

The Minister of Fuel and Power, Geoffrey Lloyd, burned a large replica of a ration book at an open meeting in his constituency.

But the Minister of Food, Major Gwilym Lloyd-George, told a meeting at Bebington in Cheshire he would keep his as a souvenir and praised all those traders and organisations that had co-operated with the rationing system.

For the first time since the war began in 1939 London's Smithfield Market opened at midnight instead of 0600 and meat sellers were doing a roaring trade.
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America gave us a Lease Loan, to hold off the Germans, they REFUSED to give us a rebuilding loan after the war, and left us in the shit while they reaped all the rewards.

Meanwhile in our darkest hour we gave America ALL our military secrets FOR FREE, it was called 'The greatest treasure to ever reach our shores' by James Phinney Baxter III

From the BBC:


Briefcase 'that changed the world'
By Angela Hind
BBC Radio 4's The World in a Briefcase


The cavity magnetron played a decisive role in WWII

More details
In the summer of 1940, the war with Germany was at a critical stage.

France had recently surrendered and the Luftwaffe was engaged in a concerted bombing campaign against British cities.

The United Kingdom was being cut off from the Continent, and without allies to help her, she would soon be near the limit of her productive capacity - particularly in the all important field of electronics.

On the morning of 29 August, a small team of the country's top scientists and engineers, under the direction of Sir Henry Tizard and in conditions of absolute secrecy, was about to board a converted ocean liner.

With them they carried possibly the most precious cargo of the war - a black japanned metal deed box containing all of Britain's most valuable technological secrets.

They were on their way to America - to all but give them away.

This high-powered team included representatives from the Army, Navy and Air Force, along with specialists in the new technologies of war.

Earlier that morning, radar expert, Dr Edward "Taffy" Bowen - a vital member of this Tizard Mission and responsible for looking after the metal deed box that was to become known as "Tizard's briefcase" - almost lost it.

When he had arrived at London's Euston station, the Welshman had handed it to a porter while gathering up his remaining luggage, then watched helplessly as the man headed off to find the 0830 boat train to Liverpool without waiting for his customer.

As he struggled to keep the porter in sight above the wartime throngs, Eddie Bowen would not have drawn much attention from the busy Londoners. Only his face would have betrayed his concern.

Short distance

Just five days short of the war's first anniversary, Britain faced one of its most desperate hours.

The Battle of Britain was raging, and bombs were falling nightly on Liverpool. Nazi armies ringed the country from the Norwegian coast down to France; an invasion was expected within weeks.

As Bowen knew, the seemingly ordinary solicitor's deed box - for which he was personally responsible - held the power to change the course of the war.

Inside lay nothing less than all Britain's military secrets. There were blueprints and circuit diagrams for rockets, explosives, superchargers, gyroscopic gunsights, submarine detection devices, self-sealing fuel tanks, and even the germs of ideas that would lead to the jet engine and the atomic bomb.

But the greatest treasure of all was the prototype of a piece of hardware called a cavity magnetron, which had been invented a few months earlier by two scientists in Birmingham.

John Randall and Harry Boot had invented the cavity magnetron almost by accident.

It was a valve that could spit out pulses of microwave radio energy on a wavelength of 10cm. This was unheard of. Nothing like it had been invented before.

The wavelength for the radar system we were using at the start of the war was one-and-a-half metres. The equipment needed was bulky and the signals indistinct.

The cavity magnetron was to be the key that would allow us to develop airborne radar.

Kitchen technology

"It was a massive, massive breakthrough," says Andy Manning from the Radar Museum in Horning.

"It is deemed by many, even now, to be the most important invention that came out of the Second World War".

Professor of military history at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, David Zimmerman, agrees: "The magnetron remains the essential radio tube for shortwave radio signals of all types.

"It not only changed the course of the war by allowing us to develop airborne radar systems, it remains the key piece of technology that lies at the heart of your microwave oven today. The cavity magnetron's invention changed the world."

Because Britain had no money to develop the magnetron on a massive scale, Churchill had agreed that Sir Henry Tizard should offer the magnetron to the Americans in exchange for their financial and industrial help. No strings attached.

It was an extraordinary gesture. By September, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology had set up a secret laboratory; by November, the cavity magnetron was in mass production; and by early 1941, portable airborne radar had been developed and fitted to both American and British planes.

The course of the Second World War was about to be changed. It was, says writer Robert Buderi, possibly the most important development of the 20th Century.

In fact, it was so important a development that the official historian of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, James Phinney Baxter III, wrote: "When the members of the Tizard Mission brought the cavity magnetron to America in 1940, they carried the most valuable cargo ever brought to our shores."

The World in a Briefcase, made by Pier Productions, is on BBC Radio 4 on Monday 5 February at 2000 GMT. You will also be able to hear the programme on the Listen Again service on the Radio 4 website.

The original cavity magnetron is held at the Science Museum in London.
 
"Meanwhile in our darkest hour we gave America ALL our military secrets FOR FREE, it was called 'The greatest treasure to ever reach our shores' by James Phinney Baxter III"

sheesh - and i wonder why the Brits did it? if you continue reading the article it takes about lack of finances to produce it on a massive scale ... perhaps they knew that in order to make the most use out of the invention, they had to get it into a financially stronger nation's hands? hmmm


I know you claim you're not anti-American or anything but you hold a shit load of anger towards them ... and just to think, I do too for that period but different reasons.
 
One of many things I appreciate about America is the holiday industry. I have yet to be disappointed with any Stateside destination or the hospitality it shows to tourists.
 
Have another look at some of the quotes from that article, Asbo. "Would soon be near the limit of her productive capacity". "No money to develop the magnetron on a massive scale". Like it or not, WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT AMERICA.

But that doesn't worry you. Oh, no. In your rush to find some reason, ANY reason, to deny them any recognition (let alone gratitude) you complain about them charging us for their help - as if Britain would have done any different had the position been reversed - then you mither about them not agreeing to increase the loan, which would have put us even more in debt, and you conveniently forget the massive number of calls on their financial help from other countries even worse off than we were. None of that even mentions the American citizens who came over, fought and in some cases died as members of the British forces before their country ever entered the war, or the US Navy personnel who also died (protecting convoys) while America was still neutral. How do we ever repay THEM?
 
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=17199.msg399167#msg399167 date=1193831469]
Have another look at some of the quotes from that article, Asbo. "Would soon be near the limit of her productive capacity". "No money to develop the magnetron on a massive scale". Like it or not, WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT AMERICA.

But that doesn't worry you. Oh, no. In your rush to find some reason, ANY reason, to deny them any recognition (let alone gratitude) you complain about them charging us for their help - as if Britain would have done any different had the position been reversed - then you mither about them not agreeing to increase the loan, which would have put us even more in debt, and you conveniently forget the massive number of calls on their financial help from other countries even worse off than we were. None of that even mentions the American citizens who came over, fought and in some cases died as members of the British forces before their country ever entered the war, or the US Navy personnel who also died (protecting convoys) while America was still neutral. How do we ever repay THEM?
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Germany was rebuilt before Liverpool, we were still walking in bomb damage in the 1960's and have been run down until European aid grant 1 ( which is usually only given to 3rd world cities).

America saw Britain not as an alllie after the war, but as a competitor, and decided the best way to keep ahead was leave us in the mire for as long as possible.

All our manufacturing infrastructure was damaged, meanwhile Germany got financial aid and new factories as did japan, to stop them turning commie, its no coincidence Germany and Japan are the economic forces they are now while we don't even have a car industry.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399177#msg399177 date=1193832743]
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=17199.msg399167#msg399167 date=1193831469]
Have another look at some of the quotes from that article, Asbo. "Would soon be near the limit of her productive capacity". "No money to develop the magnetron on a massive scale". Like it or not, WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT AMERICA.

But that doesn't worry you. Oh, no. In your rush to find some reason, ANY reason, to deny them any recognition (let alone gratitude) you complain about them charging us for their help - as if Britain would have done any different had the position been reversed - then you mither about them not agreeing to increase the loan, which would have put us even more in debt, and you conveniently forget the massive number of calls on their financial help from other countries even worse off than we were. None of that even mentions the American citizens who came over, fought and in some cases died as members of the British forces before their country ever entered the war, or the US Navy personnel who also died (protecting convoys) while America was still neutral. How do we ever repay THEM?
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Germany was rebuilt before Liverpool, we were still walking in bomb damage in the 1960's and have been run down until European aid grant 1 ( which is usually only given to 3rd world cities).

America saw Britain not as an alllie after the war, but as a competitor, and decided the best way to keep ahead was leave us in the mire for as long as possible.

All our manufacturing infrastructure was damaged, meanwhile Germany got financial aid and new factories as did japan, to stop them turning commie, its no coincidence Germany and Japan are the economic forces they are now while we don't even have a car industry.
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Germany might have lost the war even if the Americans hadn't entered it, but Britainwould not have won it.

Incidentally, do you have any evidence to back up your hypothesis that America left Britain 'in the mire'?
 
asbo .. you're a smart lad .. but why don't you just say you think America, as much as they helped the war cause, fucked over the Brits in WWII? just say you hate 'em for it ..
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399177#msg399177 date=1193832743]
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=17199.msg399167#msg399167 date=1193831469]
Have another look at some of the quotes from that article, Asbo. "Would soon be near the limit of her productive capacity". "No money to develop the magnetron on a massive scale". Like it or not, WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT AMERICA.

But that doesn't worry you. Oh, no. In your rush to find some reason, ANY reason, to deny them any recognition (let alone gratitude) you complain about them charging us for their help - as if Britain would have done any different had the position been reversed - then you mither about them not agreeing to increase the loan, which would have put us even more in debt, and you conveniently forget the massive number of calls on their financial help from other countries even worse off than we were. None of that even mentions the American citizens who came over, fought and in some cases died as members of the British forces before their country ever entered the war, or the US Navy personnel who also died (protecting convoys) while America was still neutral. How do we ever repay THEM?
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Germany was rebuilt before Liverpool, we were still walking in bomb damage in the 1960's and have been run down until European aid grant 1 ( which is usually only given to 3rd world cities).

Germany needed rebuilding more than Liverpool and this country had already had a hefty slice of financial aid, even if it wasn't as free of charge as you would have liked. And Liverpool's current state has more than a little to do with that blueslime fathead Hatton and his pathetic attempt to use the city as a platform to take Thatcher on.

America saw Britain not as an alllie after the war, but as a competitor, and decided the best way to keep ahead was leave us in the mire for as long as possible.

All our manufacturing infrastructure was damaged

And America still saw us as a competitor, right? Riiiiiiiight....

, meanwhile Germany got financial aid and new factories as did japan, to stop them turning commie, its no coincidence Germany and Japan are the economic forces they are now while we don't even have a car industry.
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This is of course all the fault of America and wouldn't have anything to do with rampant unions misusing their power right up to the end of the 1970s and giving Mrs.Thatch carte blanche to start the capitalist backlash, would it now?
 
Germany might have lost the war even if the Americans hadn't entered it, but Britainwould not have won it.

Incidentally, do you have any evidence to back up your hypothesis that America left Britain 'in the mire'?


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n 1945, the War was over, but the conflict had cost Britain about one-quarter of its national wealth. In an attempt to reverse this situation Attlee trusted economist John Maynard Keynes to pull off a deal on generous terms with the Americans. Britain's hopes of clinching the desired deal - an interest-free loan of $5 billion - quickly evaporated, and we received $3.75 billion at 2 percent annual interest. These negotiations culminated in the signing of the Anglo-American Loan Agreement, under which Britain had to accept very harsh terms.

This debt was finally paid off in Dec 2006:

Independent, The (London), Dec 29, 2006 by Philip Thornton

Britain will make the final payment today on a multibillion- dollar loan it took out in 1945 to refinance the country in the wake of the Second World War.

In a transaction that will draw the curtain on the devastating economic consequences of the bloodiest conflict in modern history, the Treasury will transfer [pound]43m to the US and [pound]12m to Canada.

The original loan of $4.34bn - equivalent to [pound]27bn today - was made to avert Britain from bankruptcy at the end of the war rather than to finance the combat itself.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg399197#msg399197 date=1193834059]
asbo .. you're a smart lad .. but why don't you just say you think America, as much as they helped the war cause, fucked over the Brits in WWII? just say you hate 'em for it ..
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I don't hate anyone, but I dislike the American government of the time, for what they did to Britain, don't forget WE were the main Superpower before the War, and now we are just a small fish in the scheme of things, not that I condone colonialism I don't, but we were Royally Stitched up, and now our main income is the Holiday Trade (ok I'm joking, but only just) Welcome to Theme Park Britain, don't forget to buy a souvenir ( Made in China) ......
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399216#msg399216 date=1193835033]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg399197#msg399197 date=1193834059]
asbo .. you're a smart lad .. but why don't you just say you think America, as much as they helped the war cause, fucked over the Brits in WWII? just say you hate 'em for it ..
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I don't hate anyone, but I dislike the American government of the time, for what they did to Britain, don't forget WE were the main Superpower before the War, and now we are just a small fish in the scheme of things, not that I condone colonialism I don't, but we were Royally Stitched up, and now our main income is the Holiday Trade (ok I'm joking, but only just) Welcome to Theme Park Britain, don't forget to buy a souvenir ( Made in China) ......
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so you hate that government ... i think it's 'a bit of this, a bit of that' ... but the British Empire was already collapsing before WWII - the tragic event only hastened it ...
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=17199.msg399113#msg399113 date=1193827030]

In terms of death toll based on per capita, the nation with the highest death toll was Poland,I think.
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That Simply can't be right Stalingrad alone probably had a population to match that of Poland,haha.

Russia's population was what, 170,000,000 odd? and they lost like like 10,000,000 soliders - Theres no way 10,000,000 Polish died, probably because poland only had a population of 25,000,000 odd.
 
This is of course all the fault of America and wouldn't have anything to do with rampant unions misusing their power right up to the end of the 1970s and giving Mrs.Thatch carte blanche to start the capitalist backlash, would it now?
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I counted to 10 before writing this,

I suppose you'd have us all non union and at the whim of the management?

Just have a read of 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' to see what it was like with no workers protection...

Some people don't know there born
 
No,per capita in terms of population percentage.

The death toll in Poland in relation to its population was the highest in WW2,I think.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399211#msg399211 date=1193834718]


Germany might have lost the war even if the Americans hadn't entered it, but Britainwould not have won it.

Incidentally, do you have any evidence to back up your hypothesis that America left Britain 'in the mire'?


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n 1945, the War was over, but the conflict had cost Britain about one-quarter of its national wealth. In an attempt to reverse this situation Attlee trusted economist John Maynard Keynes to pull off a deal on generous terms with the Americans. Britain's hopes of clinching the desired deal - an interest-free loan of $5 billion - quickly evaporated, and we received $3.75 billion at 2 percent annual interest. These negotiations culminated in the signing of the Anglo-American Loan Agreement, under which Britain had to accept very harsh terms.

This debt was finally paid off in Dec 2006:

Independent, The (London), Dec 29, 2006 by Philip Thornton

Britain will make the final payment today on a multibillion- dollar loan it took out in 1945 to refinance the country in the wake of the Second World War.

In a transaction that will draw the curtain on the devastating economic consequences of the bloodiest conflict in modern history, the Treasury will transfer [pound]43m to the US and [pound]12m to Canada.

The original loan of $4.34bn - equivalent to [pound]27bn today - was made to avert Britain from bankruptcy at the end of the war rather than to finance the combat itself.


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Thanks,Asbo.I'd agree that 2 percent is not a good as interest free.But that still doesn't equate to being'left in the mire'
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399216#msg399216 date=1193835033]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=17199.msg399197#msg399197 date=1193834059]
asbo .. you're a smart lad .. but why don't you just say you think America, as much as they helped the war cause, fucked over the Brits in WWII? just say you hate 'em for it ..
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I don't hate anyone, but I dislike the American government of the time, for what they did to Britain, don't forget WE were the main Superpower before the War, and now we are just a small fish in the scheme of things, not that I condone colonialism I don't, but we were Royally Stitched up, and now our main income is the Holiday Trade (ok I'm joking, but only just) Welcome to Theme Park Britain, don't forget to buy a souvenir ( Made in China) ......
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Sounds to me that you do.

BUt anyway, I don't see how the loss of Empire is the Americans fault.

The colonies (in particular the Asian colonies) all regarded Pax Britannia as a given, until the Japanese invaded virtually every single colony it had, and even attacked Colombo and Darwin.If anything, it was the Japanese hunger for the colonies that led to te attack on Pearl Harbour.

It was for this reason that Hitler initially sought favourable relations with Britain; ie let us conquer Europe and we won't say anything about your sea possessions.
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399232#msg399232 date=1193835734]


This is of course all the fault of America and wouldn't have anything to do with rampant unions misusing their power right up to the end of the 1970s and giving Mrs.Thatch carte blanche to start the capitalist backlash, would it now?
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I counted to 10 before writing this,

I suppose you'd have us all non union and at the whim of the management?

Just have a read of 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' to see what it was like with no workers protection...

Some people don't know there born
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Give over, you pr@t. I've been a union member for over thirty years, I was an active union rep for part of that time, and "Philanthropist" is a favourite book of mine. That's EXACTLY why I despise the macho posing of the unions of that time, who pushed their luck way too far and gave Thatch the exact excuse she wanted. And it's "they're born" BTW.
 
Give over, you pr@t. I've been a union member for over thirty years, I was an active union rep for part of that time, and "Philanthropist" is a favourite book of mine. That's EXACTLY why I despise the macho posing of the unions of that time, who pushed their luck way too far and gave Thatch the exact excuse she wanted. And it's "they're born" BTW.
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As I said in other posts I left school at 14, forgive my spelling mistake sir.

God I dislike you so much right now, I can't believe it from posting on a Forum!

(Edit here) Your slating of the Unions made you look like some Maggy loving anti Union dickhead.

How the hell was I supposed to know your a union man???

Ohh and I've calmed down and don't dislkie you now ;)
 
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=17199.msg399143#msg399143 date=1193829046]
In 1990 I took a taxi from my friend's house in suburban Maryland to get to church some distance away. The driver turned out to be from Grenada so we spent most of the journey talking cricket, but I was interested to ask a Grenadian living in America how he'd felt about the US invasion. He was totally in favour, and was only embarrassed (that word again) that it had taken someone other than Britain to get rid of "Coard and his bunch of gangsters", as he put it.
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For all I know, the invasion may well have been the best thing for Grenada, but certainly the Head of State would have had an interesting conversation with her Prime Minister that morning. The special relationship we have with our closest ally can definitely look a little odd at times.
 
American industry went through a mini-boom during WW2. With all the extra military equipment being needed the industry was pretty healthy and most of this equipment was sold and not given or lent to the other Allied countries.

All in all though, who gives a fuck about that because we won and my Grandad said most of the American fellas who came over were decent lads.
 
[quote author=RafasShanksLC link=topic=17199.msg399261#msg399261 date=1193837760]

All in all though, who gives a fuck about that because we won and my Grandad said most of the American fellas who came over were decent lads.
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it's also the reason we got to see the geinus of henry (i think his grandfather was a yankee soldier)
 
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=17199.msg399256#msg399256 date=1193837256]

Give over, you pr@t. I've been a union member for over thirty years, I was an active union rep for part of that time, and "Philanthropist" is a favourite book of mine. That's EXACTLY why I despise the macho posing of the unions of that time, who pushed their luck way too far and gave Thatch the exact excuse she wanted. And it's "they're born" BTW.
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As I said in other posts I left school at 14, forgive my spelling mistake sir.

God I dislike you so much right now, I can't believe it from posting on a Forum!

(Edit here) Your slating of the Unions made you look like some Maggy loving anti Union dickhead.

How the hell was I supposed to know your a union man???

Ohh and I've calmed down and don't dislkie you now ;)
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Well, it's been your posts I've disliked, never you, so peace to a fellow Red.
 
[quote author=coakes link=topic=17199.msg399257#msg399257 date=1193837326]
[quote author=Grungefuttock link=topic=17199.msg399143#msg399143 date=1193829046]
In 1990 I took a taxi from my friend's house in suburban Maryland to get to church some distance away. The driver turned out to be from Grenada so we spent most of the journey talking cricket, but I was interested to ask a Grenadian living in America how he'd felt about the US invasion. He was totally in favour, and was only embarrassed (that word again) that it had taken someone other than Britain to get rid of "Coard and his bunch of gangsters", as he put it.
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For all I know, the invasion may well have been the best thing for Grenada, but certainly the Head of State would have had an interesting conversation with her Prime Minister that morning. The special relationship we have with our closest ally can definitely look a little odd at times.
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I believe Pres.Reagan got his ear chewed over it by said Prime Minister too, and yes, the relationship has its problems at times, but what relationship doesn't? They have had a lot to put up with from us at times too, not least the kind of thing seen in parts of this thread. Such is life - if any person, or country, wants a perfect relationship they're going to be pretty short of them.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=17199.msg399234#msg399234 date=1193835817]

No,per capita in terms of population percentage.

The death toll in Poland in relation to its population was the highest in WW2,I think.
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Is correct. Poland lost almost 20% of its pre-war population during WWII. This can be summarised as follows:
1939 Total population: 27 million
Combatant casualties: 100,000
Civilian casualties: 1.9 million
Holocaust victims 3 million
Total deaths: 5 miilion
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
 
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