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Haha. No Everton in PL 22/23. Love it
Millwall?
Looks like we have completely closed the revenue gap with United. Remarkable given that even just a few years ago we were hundreds of millions of dollars behind them. Makes you wonder how they can sustainably keep paying through the nose on shite players.
Everyone knows City's revenue is fucking bollocks and they need to be dismantled for their obvious corruption.
Everyone knows City's revenue is fucking bollocks and they need to be dismantled for their obvious corruption.
They must have ordered some useful players then.
100% should be banned.
Well… that’ll upset the Fume’s narrative of everyone loving them and hating those nasty bin dippers.
Fucking parasites
[article]Spotify's new sponsorship deal with Barcelona is worth a massive €435m.
Next Sunday, Barca members will vote on approving the agreement, which includes the naming rights of the stadium (which will be renamed Spotify Camp Nou), the front of the shirt for the men's and women's teams and the men's training shirt, as well as various minor deals that include advertising space in the stadium, along with promotional actions with male and female players.
Sport and RAC1 are reporting the deal is worth of a total of €435m. The shirt sponsorship to 2027 will be for €240m. The training shirt for three years will be for €15m.
For the new stadium, Spotify will pay €5m over four years (those of the development works) and from the fifth year, it is assumed that with the new stadium, the figure increases to €20m over 8 years. In total, €180m.
Adding the €240m for the match shirt, €15m for the training shirt and the €180m for the stadium adds up to €435m in total.[/article]
Next Sunday, Barca members will vote on approving the agreement, which includes the naming rights of the stadium (which will be renamed Spotify Camp Nou), the front of the shirt for the men's and women's teams and the men's training shirt, as well as various minor deals that include advertising space in the stadium, along with promotional actions with male and female players.
Sport and RAC1 are reporting the deal is worth of a total of €435m. The shirt sponsorship to 2027 will be for €240m. The training shirt for three years will be for €15m.
For the new stadium, Spotify will pay €5m over four years (those of the development works) and from the fifth year, it is assumed that with the new stadium, the figure increases to €20m over 8 years. In total, €180m.
Adding the €240m for the match shirt, €15m for the training shirt and the €180m for the stadium adds up to €435m in total.[/article]
What period is that over?
Beginning from summer of 2022, for 4 years. (Barcelona's existing shirt sponsorship deal with the Japanese e-commerce firm Rakuten is due to expire this summer.)
just above 100m per season which includes, shirt, training shirt, stadium and advertising hoarding. Think Spotify got a good deal
[article]
Liverpool Set To Go Above Manchester United In Forbes List After Overtaking FSG Owned Boston Red Sox
Despite making poor decisions and angering the fanbase, John Henry and FSG's managerial choice in Jurgen Klopp and ability to keep the club financially stable has been nothing less than commendable.
The resurgence of Liverpool has not only taken them back to the glory days on the pitch, but off the pitch, the club's valuation is increasing year on year. The Reds have already taken over Boston Red Sox as the most valued team in FSG's empire.
In the 2021 Forbes list, the club was valued as the fifth most valuable football club in the world, behind Manchester United (4th), Bayern Munich (3rd), Real Madrid (2nd) and Barcelona (1st).
However, this year, Liverpool are on course to take over Manchester United in the list. After dominating their bitter rivals on the pitch, the Merseyside club are set to top English football in terms of valuation, something that will infuriate Manchester United fans.
The valuation of Liverpool Football Club is due to increase to a huge £3.5bn which shows a clear power shift in the brands of both clubs. Only $0.1bn was the difference between them in last year's list, however United's drop off has become even more this season, which has impacted their brand appeal massively.
Photo by PA Images/Sipa USA
Speaking to Bloomberg, RedBird Capital founder Gerry Cardinale, who secured 11% of FSG last year, claims he only sees the valuation increasing.
"The valuation discussion is complicated. There isn't a great amount of rigour to it. There is a little bit of LIFO (last in, first out) to it, as in you look at the last trade and you put a mark-up on it.
"What is alluring there, and deceptive, is that people have become used to everything always going up in sports. That's anti-Darwinian, that's not possible.
"Now, the slope of that curve may change, but for the forseeable future everything keeps going up."
IMAGO / PA Images
Cardinale admits the curve of the trajectory may change, but as for the moment, it only looks positive for the American business.
"The valuation discussion is complicated. There isn't a great amount of rigour to it. There is a little bit of LIFO (last in, first out) to it, as in you look at the last trade and you put a mark-up on it.
"What is alluring there, and deceptive, is that people have become used to everything always going up in sports. That's anti-Darwinian, that's not possible.
"Now, the slope of that curve may change, but for the forseeable future everything keeps going up."
[/article]
Liverpool Set To Go Above Manchester United In Forbes List After Overtaking FSG Owned Boston Red Sox
- DAMON CARR
- APR 12, 2022
Despite making poor decisions and angering the fanbase, John Henry and FSG's managerial choice in Jurgen Klopp and ability to keep the club financially stable has been nothing less than commendable.
The resurgence of Liverpool has not only taken them back to the glory days on the pitch, but off the pitch, the club's valuation is increasing year on year. The Reds have already taken over Boston Red Sox as the most valued team in FSG's empire.
In the 2021 Forbes list, the club was valued as the fifth most valuable football club in the world, behind Manchester United (4th), Bayern Munich (3rd), Real Madrid (2nd) and Barcelona (1st).
However, this year, Liverpool are on course to take over Manchester United in the list. After dominating their bitter rivals on the pitch, the Merseyside club are set to top English football in terms of valuation, something that will infuriate Manchester United fans.
The valuation of Liverpool Football Club is due to increase to a huge £3.5bn which shows a clear power shift in the brands of both clubs. Only $0.1bn was the difference between them in last year's list, however United's drop off has become even more this season, which has impacted their brand appeal massively.
Photo by PA Images/Sipa USA
Speaking to Bloomberg, RedBird Capital founder Gerry Cardinale, who secured 11% of FSG last year, claims he only sees the valuation increasing.
"The valuation discussion is complicated. There isn't a great amount of rigour to it. There is a little bit of LIFO (last in, first out) to it, as in you look at the last trade and you put a mark-up on it.
"What is alluring there, and deceptive, is that people have become used to everything always going up in sports. That's anti-Darwinian, that's not possible.
"Now, the slope of that curve may change, but for the forseeable future everything keeps going up."
IMAGO / PA Images
Cardinale admits the curve of the trajectory may change, but as for the moment, it only looks positive for the American business.
"The valuation discussion is complicated. There isn't a great amount of rigour to it. There is a little bit of LIFO (last in, first out) to it, as in you look at the last trade and you put a mark-up on it.
"What is alluring there, and deceptive, is that people have become used to everything always going up in sports. That's anti-Darwinian, that's not possible.
"Now, the slope of that curve may change, but for the forseeable future everything keeps going up."
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[article]
Liverpool Set To Go Above Manchester United In Forbes List After Overtaking FSG Owned Boston Red Sox
When Fenway Sports Group came into Liverpool Football Club in 2010, after the terrible ownership of George Gillett and Tom Hicks, no one would have expected the trajectory the club has gone on.
- DAMON CARR
- APR 12, 2022
Despite making poor decisions and angering the fanbase, John Henry and FSG's managerial choice in Jurgen Klopp and ability to keep the club financially stable has been nothing less than commendable.
The resurgence of Liverpool has not only taken them back to the glory days on the pitch, but off the pitch, the club's valuation is increasing year on year. The Reds have already taken over Boston Red Sox as the most valued team in FSG's empire.
In the 2021 Forbes list, the club was valued as the fifth most valuable football club in the world, behind Manchester United (4th), Bayern Munich (3rd), Real Madrid (2nd) and Barcelona (1st).
However, this year, Liverpool are on course to take over Manchester United in the list. After dominating their bitter rivals on the pitch, the Merseyside club are set to top English football in terms of valuation, something that will infuriate Manchester United fans.
The valuation of Liverpool Football Club is due to increase to a huge £3.5bn which shows a clear power shift in the brands of both clubs. Only $0.1bn was the difference between them in last year's list, however United's drop off has become even more this season, which has impacted their brand appeal massively.
Photo by PA Images/Sipa USA
Speaking to Bloomberg, RedBird Capital founder Gerry Cardinale, who secured 11% of FSG last year, claims he only sees the valuation increasing.
"The valuation discussion is complicated. There isn't a great amount of rigour to it. There is a little bit of LIFO (last in, first out) to it, as in you look at the last trade and you put a mark-up on it.
"What is alluring there, and deceptive, is that people have become used to everything always going up in sports. That's anti-Darwinian, that's not possible.
"Now, the slope of that curve may change, but for the forseeable future everything keeps going up."
IMAGO / PA Images
Cardinale admits the curve of the trajectory may change, but as for the moment, it only looks positive for the American business.
"The valuation discussion is complicated. There isn't a great amount of rigour to it. There is a little bit of LIFO (last in, first out) to it, as in you look at the last trade and you put a mark-up on it.
"What is alluring there, and deceptive, is that people have become used to everything always going up in sports. That's anti-Darwinian, that's not possible.
"Now, the slope of that curve may change, but for the forseeable future everything keeps going up."
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Not exactly the most scientific analysis from the author but go will go with it for now.
According to the table, the 7000 increase in capacity will take matchday earnings to over £96m
[xtable=skin1|100%x@]
{caption}Premier League Matchday Income Per Fan Per Season{/caption}
{tbody}
{tr}
{th}Club{/th}
{th}2018/19{/th}
{th}2008/09{/th}
{th}% Change{/th}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}1.Chelsea{/td}
{td}£1,648{/td}
{td}£1,563{/td}
{td}+5%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}2.Arsenal{/td}
{td}£1,607{/td}
{td}£1,201{/td}
{td}+34%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}3.Liverpool{/td}
{td}£1,589{/td}
{td}£974{/td}
{td}+63%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}4.Tottenham Hotspur{/td}
{td}£1,506{/td}
{td}£775{/td}
{td}+94%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}5.Manchester United{/td}
{td}£1,488{/td}
{td}£1,445{/td}
{td}+3%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}6.Manchester City{/td}
{td}£1,016{/td}
{td}£358{/td}
{td}+184%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}7.Brighton{/td}
{td}£609{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}8.Southampton{/td}
{td}£565{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}9,Newcastle{/td}
{td}£486{/td}
{td}£595{/td}
{td}-18%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}10.Bournemouth{/td}
{td}£474{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}11.West Ham{/td}
{td}£465{/td}
{td}£523{/td}
{td}-11%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}12.Watford{/td}
{td}£461{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}13.Leicester{/td}
{td}£461{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}14.Fulham{/td}
{td}£438{/td}
{td}£460{/td}
{td}+9%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}15.Crystal Palace{/td}
{td}£416{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}16.Wolves{/td}
{td}£372{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17.Everton{/td}
{td}£366{/td}
{td}£614{/td}
{td}-45%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}18.Cardiff City{/td}
{td}£332{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}19.Burnley{/td}
{td}£308{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20.Huddersfield{/td}
{td}£215{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Source: University of Liverpool
xx = no comparable figures
in the Premier League{/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
[xtable=skin1|100%x@]
{caption}Premier League Matchday Income Per Fan Per Season{/caption}
{tbody}
{tr}
{th}Club{/th}
{th}2018/19{/th}
{th}2008/09{/th}
{th}% Change{/th}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}1.Chelsea{/td}
{td}£1,648{/td}
{td}£1,563{/td}
{td}+5%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}2.Arsenal{/td}
{td}£1,607{/td}
{td}£1,201{/td}
{td}+34%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}3.Liverpool{/td}
{td}£1,589{/td}
{td}£974{/td}
{td}+63%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}4.Tottenham Hotspur{/td}
{td}£1,506{/td}
{td}£775{/td}
{td}+94%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}5.Manchester United{/td}
{td}£1,488{/td}
{td}£1,445{/td}
{td}+3%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}6.Manchester City{/td}
{td}£1,016{/td}
{td}£358{/td}
{td}+184%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}7.Brighton{/td}
{td}£609{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}8.Southampton{/td}
{td}£565{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}9,Newcastle{/td}
{td}£486{/td}
{td}£595{/td}
{td}-18%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}10.Bournemouth{/td}
{td}£474{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}11.West Ham{/td}
{td}£465{/td}
{td}£523{/td}
{td}-11%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}12.Watford{/td}
{td}£461{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}13.Leicester{/td}
{td}£461{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}14.Fulham{/td}
{td}£438{/td}
{td}£460{/td}
{td}+9%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}15.Crystal Palace{/td}
{td}£416{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}16.Wolves{/td}
{td}£372{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}17.Everton{/td}
{td}£366{/td}
{td}£614{/td}
{td}-45%{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}18.Cardiff City{/td}
{td}£332{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}19.Burnley{/td}
{td}£308{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}20.Huddersfield{/td}
{td}£215{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{td}xx{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}Source: University of Liverpool
xx = no comparable figures
in the Premier League{/td}
{td} {/td}
{td} {/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Very long read: Gerard Pique company pocketed £20m for role in taking Spanish tournament to Saudi Arabia
[article]Barcelona defender Gerard Pique’s company Kosmas reportedly pocketed £20million for the footballer’s role in ensuring the Spanish Supercopa is played in Saudi Arabia.
In 2020, the tournament was revolutionised by moving from the traditional two-team format played ahead of La Liga starting to a mid-season four-team edition to be played in January, with the games exported to Saudi Arabia. The new-look tournament is now contested between the winners and runners-up of the Copa del Rey and La Liga from the previous season.
A range of documents and audio files that have been released by El Confidencial which claim to be conversations between Barca defender Pique and Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales. They show that the two were in regular contact throughout 2019 to work on clinching an agreement with Saudi Arabia to host the tournament.
...........
The report alleges that their documents show that Pique had already informed the Spanish FA that Saudi Arabia, a country with which he had collaborated in the past, was interested in hosting him in exchange for a large sum of money – as an alternative to playing matches in Spain. However, Rubiales is then alleged to have told Pique that Real Madrid had no interest in that proposal and if they were going to play outside of Spain, it would only be in the US.
An audio file then alleges to have Pique replying in a phone call: "Let's see, Rubi, if it is an issue of money, if they (Real Madrid) will go for €8million then, hell, man, pay €8million to Madrid and €8million to Barca. The others (the two other teams in the tournament) can be paid €2million and €1million. That adds up to €19million, and you can have €6million for the Spanish FA. Man, you will have €6million left. And we squeeze Saudi Arabia and maybe we'll get more...we can tell them that if they do not, then Madrid will not go... so we can another €1-2million. In Spain you would only be able to make €3million, if it's a matter of money."
...........
A €40million per annum agreement was subsequently signed between the Spanish FA and Saudi Arabia on a six-year deal. Pique’s company would net a total of €24million (£20m) - €4million per year – for his role.
[/article]
[article]Barcelona defender Gerard Pique’s company Kosmas reportedly pocketed £20million for the footballer’s role in ensuring the Spanish Supercopa is played in Saudi Arabia.
In 2020, the tournament was revolutionised by moving from the traditional two-team format played ahead of La Liga starting to a mid-season four-team edition to be played in January, with the games exported to Saudi Arabia. The new-look tournament is now contested between the winners and runners-up of the Copa del Rey and La Liga from the previous season.
A range of documents and audio files that have been released by El Confidencial which claim to be conversations between Barca defender Pique and Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales. They show that the two were in regular contact throughout 2019 to work on clinching an agreement with Saudi Arabia to host the tournament.
...........
The report alleges that their documents show that Pique had already informed the Spanish FA that Saudi Arabia, a country with which he had collaborated in the past, was interested in hosting him in exchange for a large sum of money – as an alternative to playing matches in Spain. However, Rubiales is then alleged to have told Pique that Real Madrid had no interest in that proposal and if they were going to play outside of Spain, it would only be in the US.
An audio file then alleges to have Pique replying in a phone call: "Let's see, Rubi, if it is an issue of money, if they (Real Madrid) will go for €8million then, hell, man, pay €8million to Madrid and €8million to Barca. The others (the two other teams in the tournament) can be paid €2million and €1million. That adds up to €19million, and you can have €6million for the Spanish FA. Man, you will have €6million left. And we squeeze Saudi Arabia and maybe we'll get more...we can tell them that if they do not, then Madrid will not go... so we can another €1-2million. In Spain you would only be able to make €3million, if it's a matter of money."
...........
A €40million per annum agreement was subsequently signed between the Spanish FA and Saudi Arabia on a six-year deal. Pique’s company would net a total of €24million (£20m) - €4million per year – for his role.
[/article]
Some press talk today that we are looking at a possible crypto firm as a replacement shirt sponsor if Standard Chartered don't renew.
I assume we'll be taking our payment in crypto and on condition we don't cash in for 12 months so we are exposed to the same kind of risk as the gullible punters who will invest because they sponsor LFC.
Or maybe not.
I assume we'll be taking our payment in crypto and on condition we don't cash in for 12 months so we are exposed to the same kind of risk as the gullible punters who will invest because they sponsor LFC.
Or maybe not.
£70m per year would make it the biggest sponsorship until RM negotiates theirs but its very short, why?
I assume that's what the club wants and ties in with the expiry of our Nike deal? maybe they are then going to look for even bigger deals from Nike and other sponsors?
A two year outlook is extremely long for anyone involved in Crypto
Takes it through to the expected end of the Klopp era. I'd expect potential sponsors won't be looking to pay £70m for year 3 and beyond when they don't have the Klopp factor. But it does smack of short-term thinking.
Our Nike deal will end at the same time though so maybe a good opportunity to cement substantial monies in both departments?
Told ya all this was inevitable.
The game is going to change. Soon, fan tokens will be released in the name of more fan involvement in governance of club matters and decisions. But really, it won't surmount to much for fans, it's just another way to take money out of your pockets to fund the club. Not necessarily a bad thing if it re-invest the funds wisely and properly.
The game is going to change. Soon, fan tokens will be released in the name of more fan involvement in governance of club matters and decisions. But really, it won't surmount to much for fans, it's just another way to take money out of your pockets to fund the club. Not necessarily a bad thing if it re-invest the funds wisely and properly.
