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Football streaming in the UK could become very difficult shortly...

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I'll copy & paste the article in full here. However one part of it is fucking disgusting. The Premier League & ISP's have been given the power to block servers without obtaining an injunction for that particular server.

The court is basically letting them decide whether or not the server does anything else of value, if they decide not then they block it. That's an extremely dangerous & upsetting precedent.

Needless to say, if my streaming site of choice is targeted (I have eight servers to swap to, so could be safe) then a vpn will be purchased immediately.

Here's the article:

The new piracy blocking injunction obtained by the UK's Premier League is groundbreaking on several levels, court papers have revealed. Not only did the football outfit work closely with Sky, BT and Virgin (who all have a vested interest) but the ISPs also monitored traffic from 'pirate' servers requested by their customers. Live blocking of streams will be possible too, with no immediate court oversight.

Last week, The Premier League obtained a new High Court injunction that will enable it to block streams delivered to the public via Kodi and similar devices.

The details made available at the time suggested this injunction was something new, beyond the scope of earlier site-blocking orders.

After obtaining and digesting a copy of the injunction yesterday, we can now report that this is something very special indeed. Not least, it provides a unique view into a future where ISPs are not only Internet gateways but also content providers with a vested interest in what their subscribers can view online.

In broad terms, The Premier League wants to stop the public from watching unauthorized live streams of their matches online, many of them through Kodi and similar tools. However, since these are by definition live, they need to be able to react quickly to shut them down. It’s a unique problem that has found a unique solution.

The ‘defendants’ in the case (and we use the term extremely loosely) are the UK’s leading ISPs – Sky, BT, Virgin Media, Plusnet, EE and TalkTalk – all of which are suppliers of Premier League content to the public. It is crystal clear that the ISPs had a vested interest in this injunction being granted.

“All of the Defendants have been involved in negotiations over the terms of the Order, with the result that the wording of the Order was agreed,” the injunction reads.

As detailed in our earlier report, rather than targeting websites, this injunction targets the servers streaming the content. As a result, this case involves the blocking of IP addresses of streaming servers, most of which are located overseas.

“A timely response is important in the case of Premier League matches because, to be effective, any intervention must occur during the course of a match. The operators of streaming servers regularly change the IP addresses from which the servers operate,” the High Court notes.

Before presenting its evidence to the High Court, the Premier League (FAPL) hired an unnamed anti-piracy company to monitor infringing streams for a number of weeks. During this process, it identified “a large number” of IP addresses from where infringing content was made available.

From here, the FAPL identified a subset of streaming servers it now wants to be blocked. It used three criteria to select them but the Court has chosen to keep those details a secret, “because if they were made public it would make it easier for the Order to be circumvented.”

What we do know is these servers can only be selected by FAPL if it “reasonably believes” they have the “sole or predominant purpose of enabling or facilitating access to infringing streams of Premier League match footage.” Secondly, the FAPL must not know or have reason to believe “that the server is being used for any other substantial purpose.”

This caution is needed because this injunction will be carried out live, as soon as matches begin to hit the Internet. FAPL and its anti-piracy contractor will monitor the Internet, grab IP addresses, and ask the ISPs to block them in real-time. No court will be involved in that process, it will be carried out at the discretion of the FAPL and the ISPs.

And of course, this is where things get a little bit unusual. While ISPs like BT, Sky, and Virgin Media are defendants in the case, it’s notable in the injunction that the Court speaks about their rights as broadcasters being infringed. That they have a vested interest and have been working with FAPL is even more evident when one reads about some of the information they appear to have been sharing.

In discussing the merits of the case, the High Court asks whether copyrighted content has been distributed to the public in the UK, raising several points of fact in support. One in particular raises eyebrows.

“A very substantial volume of traffic from BT, Sky and Virgin, who are the three largest UK ISPs, has been recorded from these [infringing servers] during Premier League match times,” the injunction reads.

“The extent of these spikes in traffic, the closeness of their correlation with each scheduled match, and the absolute volume in terms of raw bandwidth consumed, are only consistent with large numbers of consumers obtaining Premier League content from these servers.”

The above is framed as if the ISPs have only monitored incoming server traffic, but someone has to request that data and the ISPs clearly know which customers are doing that. After all, they’re making the connections. Given the text, it seems reasonable to conclude that the ISPs, one way or another, are monitoring which servers their customers are accessing.

“The traffic spikes are sustained throughout the period of each Premier League match. By and large, the bandwidth (and therefore interest) lasts for precisely the same period as the match, with an immediate drop-off thereafter,” the High Court notes.

“Deliberate consumer activity of this kind [emphasis ours] is strongly indicative of the fact that a substantial proportion of the relevant UK public regards the Premier League content on these servers as directed to and meant for them.”

The Court further underlines with the following:

“The [ISPs] have actual knowledge of the infringing use of their services as a result of detailed pre-application correspondence, monitoring some of the Defendants have themselves carried out, notices sent by the Premier League, and more recently service of the application and accompanying evidence.”

In granting the injunction, the High Court considered whether doing so would negatively affect the ISPs’ ability to do business. It needn’t have worried.

“Five of the Defendants [TalkTalk only agreed not to oppose] positively support the making of the Order. [This] is strong evidence that it will not impair their freedom to carry on business,” the injunction notes, adding that no ISP made an application for costs.

Of note is the short duration of the injunction. It comes into force on March 18, 2017 and lasts until May 22, 2017, when the football season ends. This short term is intended as a trial period of sorts. If all works out, the FAPL will apply for a new injunction that will cover the 2017/2018 season.

Overall, this injunction provides a clear indication of what can happen when ISPs stop being “mere conduits” of information and start becoming distributors of entertainment content. In the case of Sky and BT, who pay billions for content, it would be perhaps naive to think that they would’ve behaved in any other way.

Indeed, this case has all the hallmarks of companies agreeing to take action together and then going through the formalities of an injunction application to get the necessary rubber stamp and avoid criticism. Whether the latter will still be achieved is open to debate.
 
Ridiculous, essentially we are being dictated to and controlled to what and how we sold watch things

VPN will be the norm.. This will be done by Film studios next..

Such a dangerous precedent..
 
Is it possible for a server to have another substantial purpose + stream as well.

The court has given streaming sites the recipe for continuing uninterrupted if it is.
 
Is it possible for a server to have another substantial purpose + stream as well.

The court has given streaming sites the recipe for continuing uninterrupted if it is.
I was thinking that. However the fact that he court have left that to the Premier League to decide alongside ISP's means it'd be difficult to get round.

You'd have to have a large traffic site to make a dent in the figures alongside a site streaming that much bandwidth, & that's easier said than done.

Once this starts becoming commonplace for the film & tv streaming sites a lot more people will be asking for my advice on usenet again! I've gone from spending a few hours a week helping people with it to maybe half an hour a week fixing people's shite kodi 'builds'.
 
Hmm.

None of the paid streaming sites allow you to use a vpn. Which makes sense at the moment, but should this start effecting them I presume that will change quickly.

For now I'm clinging to the hope that they'll be targeting the lowest hanging fruit. I reckon the majority of people watch free streams, & there's much less work to block them.

I was just about to sell my motorised satellite dish as I've no need now cos I use streams. I've just cancelled the ebay listing though, nice to have another option in case this starts taking effect.
 
I guess end to end encryption for video isn't viable/ cost effective at this point?
 
What's the best VPN to use as an aside?
I use Astrill.

Multiple user selected country options (important if, for example, you want to watch a BBC football video but can't because your VPN is based in the USA and BBC will only let British based viewers see their videos).
 
The funny thing is that i have access to sky sports online via my parents Virgin account and bt sport from my broadband but i use neither because the streams are shite.

Illegal streams are better than a paid service, and we can't get 3pm kick offs. Great state of affairs.
 
The funny thing is that i have access to sky sports online via my parents Virgin account and bt sport from my broadband but i use neither because the streams are shite.

Illegal streams are better than a paid service, and we can't get 3pm kick offs. Great state of affairs.

Quite. Like any media service the lack of, or relatively poor, legitimate service drives piracy.

Illegal music downloads have dropped massively since legitimate services started offering a genuinely better experience, & illegal music streaming, whilst it exists, is not a patch on the refined & relatively polished TV & film offerings for the same reason, lack of demand.
 
If you have a paid streaming service, it would kill the "product" because nobody would pay to stream the shit games, and in those circumstances the big clubs would not allow money spent directly and explicitly upon their team to be redistributed to other teams.
 
Im not sure that's true.

sky sports is so cuntily expensive , I feel compelled to watch brighton - burton albion on the friday ,Swansea - west brom on the Saturday and spurs - hull on the Sunday...

its part of the cycle of resent between sky and myself and in turn the missus and me
 
Im not sure that's true.

sky sports is so cuntily expensive , I feel compelled to watch brighton - burton albion on the friday ,Swansea - west brom on the Saturday and spurs - hull on the Sunday...

its part of the cycle of resent between sky and myself and in turn the missus and me

Your life will be so much better after you give the requisite 30 days notice and walk away.
 
Is it possible for a server to have another substantial purpose + stream as well.

The court has given streaming sites the recipe for continuing uninterrupted if it is.

Yes it's possible. Ideally you could pitch it to online companies, start-ups, apps, something where the owner would happily take a pay day. Let him use your server. Like bait. Wait for sky to shut it down. Then pass the unfortunate news to the company, post a bunch of negative reviews all over twitter and google after the event, kill his company, then head back to the high court and watch on as sky get lit up.
 
Yes it's possible. Ideally you could pitch it to online companies, start-ups, apps, something where the owner would happily take a pay day. Let him use your server. Like bait. Wait for sky to shut it down. Then pass the unfortunate news to the company, post a bunch of negative reviews all over twitter and google after the event, kill his company, then head back to the high court and watch on as sky get lit up.

This bit places a heavy onus on those parties taking down streams :
Secondly, the FAPL must not know or have reason to believe “that the server is being used for any other substantial purpose.”

If you make it very clear that some substantial purpose exists and that blocking the server will interrupt company X's business.

Company X sues if that happens
 
It shouldn't be hard to make it clear in a way that Sky could negligently overlook. Hahahahaa and then there are thousands upon thousands of out of work bankers who will happily offer their services as an expert witness, and pull an astronomical valuation of a tech start-up company right out of their arse.
 
There's two things I'd add to this, depending on if the stream providers make any money, they could put themselves behind a reverse proxy like cloudflare if they can afford it, then then runs the gauntlet for the uk isp's ending up blocking something like amazon or the bbc etc by accident. The other obvious option is that everyone will go encrypted anyway the absolute dickheads. These ISP's forget that the most of us, and the guys running the streams are much much smarter than them and their legislation. They're now experiencing in technology what they've experienced for a long time in the world of finance - accountants and experts that are much smarter than the government at hiding and moving the money around for wealthy people who can afford to pay them.
Sure, this might hinder the bulk kodi box suppliers for half an hour and cut the streams off, then what, they'll just bundle the image with a preloaded vpn. Everyone will reflash their boxes and we're back to service as normal.
Until the premium tv providers cotton on to what has happened with music industry and adjust their pricing and ease of use, then they're not going to solve this. If they started selling a £5 a month sub for access to all premier league games inc the 3pm kick offs then no one would be using kodi boxes.
 
Didn't quite a few people live stream the Haye/ Bellew fight? It's still from a wobbly mobile as source, and there was probably only a few hundred following each feed, but as the audience gets bigger someone from the rights-holder will eventually have a look.

Even if the quality and reliability of streams isn't always great, if it's free most people will have a fairly low "good enough" threshold.
 
the premier league TV rights go for hundreds upon hundreds of billions world wide . They aren't going to 'cotton on' whilst the teat is still ripe as hell.

that just filters down to the isps at the bottom

ppv for the boxing / ufc is where my sympathy ends as the pricing is ridiculous for those events , i low a fair few music types who are all anti music piracy and who were all asking for streams' for the fight the other week,ha

someone at work showed me a cracked copy of Spotify the other day that gives premium features without the cost ,you can crack in app purchases without any effort and achieve god knows what else on the internet with a little know how, I cant help but view this as more than fear mongering and ebbing away at the easy targets.

they can't even stop the fucking pirate bay from being accessible via a gazillion links , they seriously think they can dent the football streamers.

good luck
 
I pay about 40 £ a month for 3 channels that show the Premier League over here.
The only cunting thing they've changed, which annoys me, is that you can only watch 1 live game at i e 15 o'clock on a Saturday. You end up not bothering to watch any footy if you have the chance given its Utd - Hull or some shite like that.
 
Didn't quite a few people live stream the Haye/ Bellew fight? It's still from a wobbly mobile as source, and there was probably only a few hundred following each feed, but as the audience gets bigger someone from the rights-holder will eventually have a look.

Even if the quality and reliability of streams isn't always great, if it's free most people will have a fairly low "good enough" threshold.

This is very true. I know loads of people who use free streams on kodi boxes or through their laptop. If I'm ever round at their house to watch a match I'll log into mine so I dont have to watch buffering pixelated shite, & they're always amazed how good it is compared to their free one.

However, when I tell them it's £7 a month (approx), they almost all decide to stick with their unreliable free ones. I find that utterly bizarre.

PPV is such a rip off though. I know of someone who can actually afford to pay Sky their extortionate monthly subscription, yet also has an enigma2 box & just uses it to buy access to the PPV fights for £2 a pop. As the box was £60 he realised that watching just two fights on it made him his money back.
 
If you have a paid streaming service, it would kill the "product" because nobody would pay to stream the shit games, and in those circumstances the big clubs would not allow money spent directly and explicitly upon their team to be redistributed to other teams.

That's not currently possible. Clubs, The Premier League or a rights holder cannot provide access for individual games alone. It's in the contract.

That's not to say that Sky/Virgin/BT cannot sell a more competitively priced online only option that isn't fucking awful quality (NowTV quality is absolutely pitiful compared to a premium streaming service), as long as they include a full package of games, & don't allow cherry picking.
 
This is very true. I know loads of people who use free streams on kodi boxes or through their laptop. If I'm ever round at their house to watch a match I'll log into mine so I dont have to watch buffering pixelated shite, & they're always amazed how good it is compared to their free one.

However, when I tell them it's £7 a month (approx), they almost all decide to stick with their unreliable free ones. I find that utterly bizarre.

PPV is such a rip off though. I know of someone who can actually afford to pay Sky their extortionate monthly subscription, yet also has an enigma2 box & just uses it to buy access to the PPV fights for £2 a pop. As the box was £60 he realised that watching just two fights on it made him his money back.

The perceived cost is one thing, but The other issues with PPV are the time of the event, and also the lack of guarantee about the quality of the event, which relates back to what you think it's 'worth'

Yeah, I don't doubt that anyone who paid whatever it cost to watch Haye Bellew would complain, but I bet the ones who paid to watch Haye Klitschko thought more than twice about shelling out again. Lots of the fights simply aren't very good.

Which is why all these fights need so much faked hatred and hype in order to drive Ticket and Box Office sales
 
When it comes to the good enough threshold, it's nothing new is it?

It's why radio football commentary is still a thing. I can't get a ticket, it's not on telly....radio is good enough if you haven't got any other options
 
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