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100% wum that call

But there are clearly problems in scouting and recruitment, we either can't find players or can't get them to sign. That much has been obvious since long before Rodgers was signing shite like Balotelli and Moreno because we couldn't find anything better. The difference is that Klopp doesn't want to lower his standards or pay way over the odds like united. The problem with that is that everyone is impatient for progress.

No serious fan would be looking to get him out at this stage. I just wish we could unearth some gems right about now to give things a push.
 
We have to acknowledge that Klopp was a component in a brilliant set up at Dortmund rather than some Alex Ferguson style genius. We're doing our best to replicate that of course and we have some of the right cogs in place, but it takes time.

We also have to question whether his methods can translate successfully to the most intense league in the world. Personally I'm confident that they already have and continue to do so, however we have significantly underestimated our squad depth/over-estimated the kids to successfully implement his methods throughout the course of the season. This is worrying for two reasons; firstly we are our of Europe so it should have been easy enough to gage, and secondly, it raises questions whether we have the financial ability to pack the squad out with quality additions which may be required.

Imagine if we were in the Champions League as well this season. We'd be absolutely nowhere in the league.

It's also worth saying that, for all of this talk of a thin squad, Klopp's form has been largely dependent on a set group of players. As soon as that has been disrupted, it's gone tits up. It hasn't just been down to a drop in quality, it's been a complete inability to shift tactic to suit different types of players. We had the same sort of issues under Rodgers with players like Benteke. It was a case of - either play our way, or fuck off. Even though it's blindingly obvious that certain players just aren't tailored to play that way. See Sturridge and Can in these recent lineups.

Having a set system and sticking to it is great when everyone is fit and you can keep the same team every week. That's what bred cohesion for us over the course of the first half of the season, everyone knew their roles and the forward line was interchangeable and full of constant pressing. Once you took Coutinho away from that, or then Mane, or players just started to get jaded by the relentless work ethic, it collapsed. It seems it's incredibly dependent on athleticism and having the right players available and in top condition. You have to have some other ideas to fall back on, and I can't help but worry that with European football added the mix, it'll only compound the current issues.
 
Chris Bascombe:

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They are good. . . just not good enough. When Fenway Sports group bought Liverpool in 2010, if you had said the Merseyside club would reach six semi-finals, three cup finals and finish runners-up in the Premier League over the next seven years, there might have been a cautiously enthusiastic response.

Many would have considered it a solid foundation on which to build - particularly if the promise of a new main stand was realised. Others would want much more, arguing this is a moderate return, since nearly winning will never be enough for a club of Liverpool's stature.

Liverpool find themselves in the grip of this debate now, the latest semi-final setback further evidence of a side capable of getting so far but still lacking the quality to be winners.

Liverpool, like the rest of the top six, are judged to a higher standard and any season that passes without a trophy is a disappointment.

It means every opportunity that passes will provoke a state-of-the-nation review similar to the past 24 hours. Until New Year's Day, Liverpool were enjoying their best Premier League season, so it is slightly absurd that we have not reached February without suggestions all has been derailed.

It has not. They still have the FA Cup to play for and if Liverpool beat Chelsea next week, the 'Where has it all gone wrong?' features will be substituted by investigations into what manager Jürgen Klopp has done to revive his side.

How will Klopp respond to this setback? Stick to his plan of gradual development. He is thinking of the next six years, not six months. Klopp will not be influenced by the mania that follows successive defeats.

He added quality to the Liverpool squad last summer, and the impact of players of the calibre of Joël Matip and Sadio Mané was evident. He could have signed more, but was determined to develop players he inherited because he is sure they have the talent to secure Champions League qualification.

He has tried to sign more players, and despite his public pronouncements about being relaxed about new faces in January, would act if the right player were available. He sees a relationship with a team as an annual commitment - to give players a full season to prove themselves - before deciding who will move forward next year.

It is likely Klopp will add another five players at least in the summer, but with Liverpool starting this season in just three competitions, he never needed the squad size required should the club be in Europe.

Liverpool have struggled most recently because they do not have like-for-like replacements when their best players, such as Philippe Coutinho and Mané, are absent.

In fairness, not too many clubs do, a point Klopp made before Christmas when asking how Chelsea would have fared without Diego Costa and Eden Hazard for a month.
Who has most to prove?

Who has most to prove?
Inevitably, most of the focus is on Daniel Sturridge. When everyone is available, the England striker will not start. He has had several chances since the turn of the year but has looked a shadow of the player he used to be.

Many will argue that he has not had the service, but Sturridge used to be adept at finding space and his turn of pace was such he was unstoppable during his first 18 months at the club. His goal ratio was as good as the some of the legendary Liverpool strikers.

Now that pace has not been visible, he drops deeper and he is tentative when needing to sprint. It will be a surprise if he is not sold in the summer. Emre Can has also lost form at the wrong time as his representatives continue contract negotiations.
Can ended last season in excellent form, forcing his way in the Germany squad at the European Championship, but since suffering an ankle injury he has struggled.

Klopp needs to find a pacy wide man
He knew that was the biggest issue, which is why he bid for Borussia Dortmund's Christian Pulisic last summer and registered interest in Julian Draxler before the German international chose Paris St-Germain.

Bayer Leverkusen's Julian Brandt is one of those Klopp was referencing when stating recently his club would not sell. If Klopp wants the owners to spend big, they will. He is fundamental to the transfer decisions, not peripheral.

Can Liverpool get their early-season form back?
They will be counting down the days until Mané's return in order to make that happen.

We should not forget how well Liverpool played earlier in the season, which is why Klopp remains so confident that form can be rediscovered. The last few weeks have demonstrated the strength in depth is not there.

It is worth remembering that of the side that started against Southampton on Wednesday, only Loris Karius and Matip are Klopp signings. Klopp has been at the club for only 15 months and is yet to oversee a full season in charge. He has not invested as much as he can - by his own choice - such is his belief in gradual development.

At the start of this season - and on occasions during the last one - Liverpool were so thrilling because even though they were not Klopp's players, they resembled a Klopp team.

If there is one lesson he and everyone else will surely learn since the turn of the year, it is this: Liverpool will not become a consistently good Klopp team until they have signed more Klopp players.
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It is worth remembering that of the side that started against Southampton on Wednesday, only Loris Karius and Matip are Klopp signings

The logic here is a bit baffling, Klopp bought 7 first team squad players in the summer. If he choses not to play them and persist with the players he inherited that isn't really a viable excuse on his part. Only Manè would be considered an unqualified success so far.
 
From that article you would think that Bascombe was Klopp's mum defending him against all the horrible fans who dared to question him.
If he's really thinking of the next six years and not six months (which I believe he is) then surely it was even more important to have a stronger squad this year and bed in players for the next couple of years, and if he thought he wouldn't need extra players then it seems he's been proven wrong.
As for the opening review of FSG's tenure why does Bascombe not mention the only cup they've won (league cup with Kenny) , it seems bizarre to mention getting to cup finals and the second place finish but neglect the one thing we managed to win. Perhaps he didn't mention it as Klopp hasn't won anything yet.
 
The logic here is a bit baffling, Klopp bought 7 first team squad players in the summer. If he choses not to play them and persist with the players he inherited that isn't really a viable excuse on his part. Only Manè would be considered an unqualified success so far.

And Matip, but you're right, it seems a selective point when he brought in his own set of players and only two or three seem to be first team certs. If he's playing someone elses players, then the likes of Bascombe are happy to give the plaudits to Klopp when these players do well and to credit him with reinventing them, etc. Now we've had a dip in form it's suddenly not ok to judge him because it's somebody elses team.
 
I don't think Bascombe's argument is as specific as that TBH. As I read the article, he's putting forward a more general argument to the effect that Klopp is still in the early stages of making the team his own. IMO he has a point and it's inevitable that Klopp, or any other manager at the same stage of rebuilding a team to his own spec, will make mistakes along the way. It's perfectly OK to point those out, but we also need to beware making too much of them at such a relatively early stage in his time at LFC.
 
And Matip, but you're right, it seems a selective point when he brought in his own set of players and only two or three seem to be first team certs. If he's playing someone elses players, then the likes of Bascombe are happy to give the plaudits to Klopp when these players do well and to credit him with reinventing them, etc. Now we've had a dip in form it's suddenly not ok to judge him because it's somebody elses team.
Or you could say he did an amazing job with them but even he has limits to what he can do with a squad that's been mid table for the majority of the last 7 years.
 
Or you could say he did an amazing job with them but even he has limits to what he can do with a squad that's been mid table for the majority of the last 7 years.

You've missed the point, I'm not criticising Klopp over this, I'm criticising Bascombe's article. And for the record, the seasons not over yet, we don't know where we'll finish. Our form has been great in flashes during other seasons, after signing Coutinho and Sturridge in the January, we went on a brilliant run of form for the rest of the season, but finished 7th.
 
And Matip, but you're right, it seems a selective point when he brought in his own set of players and only two or three seem to be first team certs. If he's playing someone elses players, then the likes of Bascombe are happy to give the plaudits to Klopp when these players do well and to credit him with reinventing them, etc. Now we've had a dip in form it's suddenly not ok to judge him because it's somebody elses team.

I wouldn't call him an unqualified success just yet, the question mark over his fitness makes me sceptical about building a defence around him. He's certainly a good player bit as we have seen with Agger a good defender who can't stay fit will never form part of a settled defence. It's early da ys so he could go either way.
 
The logic here is a bit baffling, Klopp bought 7 first team squad players in the summer. If he choses not to play them and persist with the players he inherited that isn't really a viable excuse on his part. Only Manè would be considered an unqualified success so far.

Well, Gruijc is injured, Mane is at the AFCON, Wijanldum and Klavan on the bench. So, of the available players the only decision he could and should have changed was Can out for Gini.

Its still a pretty viable excuse given he has only reshaped the squad in one active transfer window.
It will take at least 2 more I reckon.
 
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