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MLB 2012

I just think there's a tendency when there's a change to say everything before was bad and everything now is good. Hicks is a cunt but hiring Daniels was a good move.

Could you ever see the day when a football club makes a move like that? 28 year old who never played the game professionally making football decisions?
 
So this John Farrell that the Red Sox have hired from the Jays ....is he any good or what they need ?

isn't he their second manager in 2 seasons ? Do FSG know what they are doing in baseball ?

In Toronto, it leaves the franchise to try again, again. As a manager, you could probably do better, and you could probably do worse; it can't be that hard to find somebody who can fail to stop Brett Lawrie from making baserunning mistakes. Late in the season, veteran shortstop Omar Vizquel spoke openly about the lack of accountability when it came to correcting errors, and after the game Farrell called Vizquel into his office and held him accountable. It was managing via irony.
The fact that Yunel Escobar was allowed to take the field wearing a homophobic slur on his eye black on Sept. 15 -- something that truly embarrassed the organization -- did not speak well of Farrell's control of the clubhouse, either. For all his reported acumen with the pitchers when he was a coach in Boston, Farrell oversaw the absolute dissolution of Romero, who had been one of two sure things on the entire roster. It wasn't all his fault, of course, but while John Farrell may become a highly successful manager in Boston, he wasn't one here.

 
From a Blue Jays writer:

Farrell has a history with GM Ben Cherington and with others in the Red Sox front office, plus a friendship with Dustin Pedroia and other players that remains from when he was pitching coach. And it should be noted, on a personal basis, that even though he was with the Jays already in 2011, it was the Red Sox organization that helped set up the difficult radiation treatment for Farrell's son Luke last Fall in Boston that was thankfully successful and sees Luke back in school and pitching again at Northwestern University.
Why were the Jays willing to listen this time and willing to let Farrell go, when a year ago it would have been regarded as bowing and scraping in the direction of Red Sox Nation?
First, if the Jays insisted on keeping Farrell and refused to let him go this time, they would have likely had to offer him a multi-year extension. He has not earned a multi-year extension and the feeling would have been that the new contract had been forced on them.
Second, the Jays' on-field discipline from Day 1 of the 2012 season was questionable at best. You had the incident with Brett Lawrie charging the home plate umpire and bouncing his helmet off a shin, with no apology -- even if it was just for the mere act of htting him with the helmet, even if it was unintentional. Throughout the first two months, as the Jays' star player Jose Bautista struggled, his flashes of anger towards umpires did not reflect well on the organization and the team. The Jays were getting a bad reputation. Farrell was in charge.
Just as the Farrell chatter to Boston was starting to heat up late in the season, more discipline issues unfolded. Shortstop Yunel Escobar played a full game with a homophobic slur handwritten in Spanish on his paste-on eyeblack. The manager and all the players denied they saw anything, but a sharp-eyed fan that traditionally takes photos from a couple of rows behind the dugout, went home and blew up a couple of shots, Tweeted about it and the rest is history. Farrell was unconvincing that nobody could have seen it.
The Latin players argued that the Escobar slur is common in their culture and was just supposed to be lighthearted and in jest. The shortstop was suspended for three games by the Jays, with the input of the players' union and MLB. Nevertheless, the Jays were embarrassed. The Jays don't like to be embarrassed.
Farrell later on in the final week was forced to call a team meeting after the retiring veteran Omar Vizquel called him out on his preparation, teaching and discipline with young players. Anthopoulos love affair with Farrell was undermined on many levels.
Then there were the mistakes in fundamentals, the baserunning gaffes, guys thrown out because of over-aggressiveness on the basepaths, at the wrong time and in the wrong game situations. There was Lawrie stealing home with Bautista batting and two strikes, because "I thought I could make it." That was not only dumb, but potentially dangerous. Bautista never knew he was coming and if it was a strike would have had to swing.
There were guys doubled off third base on line drives, thrown out at third to end an inning, a lack of execution of the bunting game that did not stop bunts from being called. The same mistakes were being made more than once and corrections seemed to be made only after the fact, which in major-league baseball, with the pace of the game, is too late.
Then there was the demise of Ricky Romero. It's difficult to blame the manager for the collapse of an ace who seemed perfectly healthy, but from the moment Farrell called Romero out with the challenge, "We're just looking for that same tough kid from East L.A." the relationship started to sour. The more Romero struggled, the more suggestions and public theories Farrell had. In his final start, a disgusted Romero watched Farrell emerge from the dugout to hook him, did not look at his manager as he arrived and walked off missing the handoff of the ball having to go back and give it to Farrell, again without looking. Farrell stared Romero off the field. The optics were not good, once again.
The Farrell mystique that was present in October 2011 when the Sox made their first arrogant attempt to steal the manager away from a division rival had largely disappeared by October 2012. The fact that Farrell did not tell Beeston and Anthopoulos he indeed wanted to stay in Toronto with the organization that gave him his first chance to manage in the big leagues, combined with the fact they were not ready to give him the extension that would have been required to keep him made the response to Boston different this year.
Face it. Without the Red Sox presence in this equation, Farrell would likely have been asked to work on the final year of his three-year deal to show that corrections had been made in the clubhouse and on the field. Speaking of which, Anthopoulos had never announced Farrell's contract was a three-year deal, but late in the season when the Sox rumours began, it was the manager that answered a direct question with a direct answer. Yes, he had one more year on his contract. Again, Anthopoulos was not pleased.
In any case, the compensation for Farrell is rumoured by ESPN.com to be infielder Mike Aviles who would move to the head of the class in terms of second-base replacements for free-agent Kelly Johnson. That's not quite Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard or Rubby de la Rosa, but it's enough to keep to the letter of the Jays' law that there are no lateral moves -- without compensation.
 
He sounds shite !

Farrell and Rodgers , i get the feeling FSG have a hell of a lot riding on them . They seem to have fucked a fair bit up recently with both teams , if it continues they're going to be under alot of pressure .
 
Farrell will do well in Boston. He was a strong right-hand-man to Tito, and was always the man that they were lining up to replace him when the time came... He is equally respected and feared in the clubhouse, and we would NOT have imploded the way we did last year had he still been there. No question. We're rebuilding after this abortion of a season, so it make take him a while, but he's gonna be ok and if we'd gotten him in the first place - like we tried to - we'd not be in this fucking mess.
 
Wait ...so you follow two teams FSG own ! Guess you've had to commit to lots of long term rebuilding plans :) . Hopefully you are rewarded .
 
Good time to support Bay Area teams , which thankfully i do !
 
Wait ...so you follow two teams FSG own ! Guess you've had to commit to lots of long term rebuilding plans :) . Hopefully you are rewarded .

Well, as I've said to everybody who would listen, if - IF - they do with Liverpool what they said they would do, and then did with Boston, we'll all be very happy. And so far, so good, once they actually get Anfield redeveloped like they say they will... That's how it all started in Fenway too. Fingers crossed.
 
Tigers 2 down in the series, but they get to play at home now.

How confident are you feeling SG ?
 
Congratulations San Francisco. Although it would have been nice for some of their players to wait until the game was over before celebrating. Cunts.
 
Fielder just couldn't deliver at the WS. Will Martinez be back next year? That line up with him could look potentially even more dangerous.
 
Anyway tough luck George. Thought the Tiger did very well against the Yankees at the ALCS. With your core still around, you guys should still be in contention for years to come.
 
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