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Fair enough. I was in the air, I thought it looked fucking nimps.

I thought they played well. Downing was crap first half but looked ok second til they moved him over. Gerrard should get in the box for the corners. Little complaint other than that. I'd defo take Suarez to a priest, get him bummed clean of bad juju or whatever they do.
 
I don't think failure to take 3 points was down to the players. I think Kenny takes the blame for bad tactics and bizarre substitutions. We started the game with two genuine wingers - sounds good. But no target man - Suarez is a fantastic player but he can't do that job. So in the second half, Kenny takes off both the wingers including Bellamy who was playing out of his skin, and puts on Carroll the target man.
 
Shame that I have to say this but we missed Lucas as without him Gerrard played so much deeper than where we want him.

I feel at the moment our best midfield/attack, especially at home, would be a midfield 3 of Lucas Gerrard Adam and Front 3 of Carroll Suarez and Bellamy.

Bellamy excellent today. Johnson wasn't too bad either for a change. If only reina had stayed on his line I'm sure he would of saved that. Still though, fuck me, woodwork 3 times, 2 top drawer saves from Ruddy, Carroll unlucky with the header. we really should of won. But then that's 3 1 alls at home we "should" of won. No killer instinct, Suarez finishing at the moment is shocking. 10 shots today, 10 and not a goal.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=47260.msg1415417#msg1415417 date=1319317139]
I don't think failure to take 3 points was down to the players. I think Kenny takes the blame for bad tactics and bizarre substitutions. We started the game with two genuine wingers - sounds good. But no target man - Suarez is a fantastic player but he can't do that job. So in the second half, Kenny takes off both the wingers including Bellamy who was playing out of his skin, and puts on Carroll the target man.
[/quote]Ive already spoke on this piece of tactical genius Portly.
A joke really.
 
[quote author=amber cabs link=topic=47260.msg1415424#msg1415424 date=1319317386]
Shame that I have to say this but we missed Lucas as without him Gerrard played so much deeper than where we want him.

I feel at the moment our best midfield/attack, especially at home, would be a midfield 3 of Lucas Gerrard Adam and Front 3 of Carroll Suarez and Bellamy.

Bellamy excellent today. Johnson wasn't too bad either for a change. If only reina had stayed on his line I'm sure he would of saved that. Still though, fuck me, woodwork 3 times, 2 top drawer saves from Ruddy, Carroll unlucky with the header. we really should of won. But then that's 3 1 alls at home we "should" of won. No killer instinct, Suarez finishing at the moment is shocking. 10 shots today, 10 and not a goal.
[/quote]12 shots. He had the two late on, the one he fired across goal and the one the keeper saved.
 
I think its because he is always caught in two minds:
'Shall I try to score?'
or
'Shall I lie down like a massive fanny and then gesticulate at the linesman for shrugging at me'
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415430#msg1415430 date=1319317604]
I think its because he is always caught in two minds:
'Shall I try to score?'
or
'Shall I lie down like a massive fanny and then gesticulate at the linesman for shrugging at me'
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Ha ha ha
 
Not all doom though. It's clear looking at the last few games Dalglish hasn't got a clue what the best side is and who goes where in it. We'll stumble upon it soon and we'll be boss.

Begs the question why we fucking changed it so much from how we finished last season though.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=47260.msg1415430#msg1415430 date=1319317604]
I think its because he is always caught in two minds:
'Shall I try to score?'
or
'Shall I lie down like a massive fanny and then gesticulate at the linesman for shrugging at me'
[/quote]

Haha
 
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415432#msg1415432 date=1319317848]
Not all doom though. It's clear looking at the last few games Dalglish hasn't got a clue what the best side is and who goes where in it. We'll stumble upon it soon and we'll be boss.

Begs the question why we fucking changed it so much from how we finished last season though.
[/quote]Maybe its like when the council put traffic lights on a fucking main road roundabout at the end of the fiscal. Kenny has been told that if he doesnt spend his budget he will not get a budget for january.
I'll be honest im already in 'Lets have a look at his signings' mode.
 
Suarez will never ever be clinical, but I'm convinced he's mentally tired after the copa & cos he's pretty much struggling to lead the line alone & be the sole creative force in the side. The exact same thing happened with Torres, his attitude got worse & worse when our reliance on him was increased, even mirroring the whinging at ref's.
 
I dont think Walton gave him one free kick today, so I can understand some of his whining.

I also think he would be much better next to Carroll, with Big Andyfeeing up more space for him. Kuyt did nothing today.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=47260.msg1415450#msg1415450 date=1319319701]
I dont think Walton gave him one free kick today, so I can understand some of his whining.

I also think he would be much better next to Carroll, with Big Andyfeeing up more space for him. Kuyt did nothing today.
[/quote]Thats because hes a massive diver. He's bound to miss out on some genuine fouls because hes a fucking cheat and refs cant trust him.
 
He had 11 shots today but not one goal. Wonder how much this Evra saga has got to him this week.
Concentration wasnt at its best thats for sure.
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=47260.msg1415450#msg1415450 date=1319319701]
I dont think Walton gave him one free kick today, so I can understand some of his whining.

I also think he would be much better next to Carroll, with Big Andyfeeing up more space for him. Kuyt did nothing today.
[/quote]Thats because hes a massive diver. He's bound to miss out on some genuine fouls because hes a fucking cheat and refs cant trust him.
[/quote]

I had to explain to my lad today that refs are going to see things out of the corner of their eyes a lot of the time. If they see Kuyt go down like a bag of shite they might give something 50/50 but with Suarez, how could you? He's a cheat.
 
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47260.msg1415432#msg1415432 date=1319317848]
Not all doom though. It's clear looking at the last few games Dalglish hasn't got a clue what the best side is and who goes where in it. We'll stumble upon it soon and we'll be boss.

Begs the question why we fucking changed it so much from how we finished last season though.
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that's the crux of the whole thing right there.
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=47260.msg1415450#msg1415450 date=1319319701]
I dont think Walton gave him one free kick today, so I can understand some of his whining.

I also think he would be much better next to Carroll, with Big Andyfeeing up more space for him. Kuyt did nothing today.
[/quote]Thats because hes a massive diver. He's bound to miss out on some genuine fouls because hes a fucking cheat and refs cant trust him.
[/quote]

I had to explain to my lad today that refs are going to see things out of the corner of their eyes a lot of the time. If they see Kuyt go down like a bag of shite they might give something 50/50 but with Suarez, how could you? He's a cheat.
[/quote]I wouldnt. I havnt read the match thread but im sure there are fans decrying the ref a cunt for giving him fuck all as they have every ref this season. Maybe....JUST maybe..it isnt the refs?
Maybe we have a massive crybaby cheat who very quickly refs have got wise to.
I dont hold it against any ref giving him fuck all. Hes a twat.
 
I'm going to blame our pathetic manager who wasted 100 million on dross. Bah!

Fuck it Mark, let's become Everton fans - at least then we know we'll be shit and won't have our hopes destroyed by incompetent supposedly knowledgeable footy 'professionals'.
 
It's disheartening. I thought Kenny would be typical old school. Have a set lineup, system, idea and try to impliment it. Turns out he's the same as all the rest.

At least the line up was positive and we created alot, we need a striker though and it's pretty obvious we shouldn't have bought big Andy, we don't play him, because we don't know how to.
 
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It's disheartening. I thought Kenny would be typical old school. Have a set lineup, system, idea and try to impliment it. Turns out he's the same as all the rest.

At least the line up was positive and we created alot, we need a striker though and it's pretty obvious we shouldn't have bought big Andy, we don't play him, because we don't know how to.
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I just don't think Kenny knows what our best line up/formation/game plan should be. It's all a bit messy at the minute.

And yes we certainly need a striker who is clinical. We don't have a single one which says it all. Kenny's clearly losing faith with Carroll.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47260.msg1415497#msg1415497 date=1319327624]
it's pretty obvious we shouldn't have bought big Andy, we don't play him, because we don't know how to.
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Yup, Ryan made the comment last week about him being a good player but just not having a system to fit him into ...

We're in a weird place, but I believe the gaffa can right the ship and push us to the requirement of 4th ... I won't judge our purchases as 'poor' or 'average' yet ... but I'm certainly worried ...
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47260.msg1415495#msg1415495 date=1319326617]

I'm going to blame our pathetic manager who wasted 100 million on dross. Bah!

Fuck it Mark, let's become Everton fans - at least then we know we'll be shit and won't have our hopes destroyed by incompetent supposedly knowledgeable footy 'professionals'.
[/quote]

You're getting into the spirit of it! Don't forget to call our best player this season a cheating diver, that cheats and dives.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47260.msg1415497#msg1415497 date=1319327624]


At least the line up was positive and we created alot, we need a striker though and it's pretty obvious we shouldn't have bought big Andy, we don't play him, because we don't know how to.
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It's not rocket science, you just stick him up front, in place of Dirk, with Suarez scampering around, play the same two wide men and the big lummox will score goals............simples
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47260.msg1415495#msg1415495 date=1319326617]

I'm going to blame our pathetic manager who wasted 100 million on dross. Bah!

Fuck it Mark, let's become Everton fans - at least then we know we'll be shit and won't have our hopes destroyed by incompetent supposedly knowledgeable footy 'professionals'.
[/quote]

You're getting into the spirit of it! Don't forget to call our best player this season a cheating diver, that cheats and dives.
[/quote]Are you suggesting he isnt a diver and a cheat?
If you are then you are either blind or a liar.
He is a cheat and a diver and I dont like it. But to be honest thats not the worst of his character failings. I think he's just an all round thoroughly horrible bastard.
Youre right. He is our best player, but that doesnt mean he isnt a cunt. He is.
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=47260.msg1415502#msg1415502 date=1319330016]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47260.msg1415495#msg1415495 date=1319326617]

I'm going to blame our pathetic manager who wasted 100 million on dross. Bah!

Fuck it Mark, let's become Everton fans - at least then we know we'll be shit and won't have our hopes destroyed by incompetent supposedly knowledgeable footy 'professionals'.
[/quote]

You're getting into the spirit of it! Don't forget to call our best player this season a cheating diver, that cheats and dives.
[/quote]

fine, our best player this season is a cheating cunt, and like the mancs did when they had enough of it, we should flog him off to Madrid for 90 million big ones!

carragher is so old he could be portly's grand paps - he needs to retire (too much?)
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47260.msg1415497#msg1415497 date=1319327624]


At least the line up was positive and we created alot, we need a striker though and it's pretty obvious we shouldn't have bought big Andy, we don't play him, because we don't know how to.
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It's not rocket science, you just stick him up front, in place of Dirk, with Suarez scampering around, play the same two wide men and the big lummox will score goals............simples
[/quote]Youre bamboozling us with tactics there Vlad. Are you suggesting we should utitlise him how Newcastle did that made him the top scorer until we poached him in England?
WHY THATS MADNESS. Much better to play him in the middle with NO wide men.
 
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[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=47260.msg1415502#msg1415502 date=1319330016]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47260.msg1415495#msg1415495 date=1319326617]

I'm going to blame our pathetic manager who wasted 100 million on dross. Bah!

Fuck it Mark, let's become Everton fans - at least then we know we'll be shit and won't have our hopes destroyed by incompetent supposedly knowledgeable footy 'professionals'.
[/quote]

You're getting into the spirit of it! Don't forget to call our best player this season a cheating diver, that cheats and dives.
[/quote]Are you suggesting he isnt a diver and a cheat?
If you are then you are either blind or a liar.
He is a cheat and a diver and I dont like it. But to be honest thats not the worst of his character failings. I think he's just an all round thoroughly horrible bastard.
Youre right. He is our best player, but that doesnt mean he isnt a cunt. He is.
[/quote]

not that it matters, but i really genuiely think you're wrong about that. fair enough he's a cheat on the pitch, and completely ruthless in pursuit of victory, but everything i've seen of him off the pitch suggests he's a good bloke. he seems to get on well with the other players, he became captain of ajax at, what, 23, he's always posting those photos with lads like lucas, maxi, coates smiling and joking, he did that interview in english when he clearly wasn't up to it, and looked humble and apologetic when he knew he was struggling.

i really think you've got this one totally wrong, unless of course you're referring solely to his footballing conduct, but it seems pretty clear you're not.
 
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[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=47260.msg1415502#msg1415502 date=1319330016]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47260.msg1415495#msg1415495 date=1319326617]

I'm going to blame our pathetic manager who wasted 100 million on dross. Bah!

Fuck it Mark, let's become Everton fans - at least then we know we'll be shit and won't have our hopes destroyed by incompetent supposedly knowledgeable footy 'professionals'.
[/quote]

You're getting into the spirit of it! Don't forget to call our best player this season a cheating diver, that cheats and dives.
[/quote]Are you suggesting he isnt a diver and a cheat?
If you are then you are either blind or a liar.
He is a cheat and a diver and I dont like it. But to be honest thats not the worst of his character failings. I think he's just an all round thoroughly horrible bastard.
Youre right. He is our best player, but that doesnt mean he isnt a cunt. He is.
[/quote]

not that it matters, but i really genuiely think you're wrong about that. fair enough he's a cheat on the pitch, and completely ruthless in pursuit of victory, but everything i've seen of him off the pitch suggests he's a good bloke. he seems to get on well with the other players, he became captain of ajax at, what, 23, he's always posting those photos with lads like lucas, maxi, coates smiling and joking, he did that interview in english when he clearly wasn't up to it, and looked humble and apologetic when he knew he was struggling.

i really think you've got this one totally wrong, unless of course you're referring solely to his footballing conduct, but it seems pretty clear you're not.
[/quote]Yes sorry just footballing wise. If you count the Barcelona comments as football.
I know nothing about him as a a man.
 
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