Absolutely. I never disputed that. Read my post again.
Peter made a claim that we were NEVER going to win without Sturridge. I only said that if we didn't concede the early goal, we possibly wouldn't have needed him.
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Peter made a claim that we were NEVER going to win without Sturridge. I only said that if we didn't concede the early goal, we possibly wouldn't have needed him.
I think Peter meant we were never going to win the competition outright
Aatually the claim I was making (none too clearly, apparently) was that we were never going to win the whole competition without them.
I'd agree with that. We're a billion times better with Sturridge than without. Which makes you wonder why the fuck we bought Borini in the summer when we could have had him.
On the match, it's all been said innit. Great performance, standard issue fuck up cost us, as did stupid subs.
The Brenton giveth and the Brenton taketh away.
On the match, it's all been said innit. Great performance, standard issue fuck up cost us, as did stupid subs.
The Brenton giveth and the Brenton taketh away.
I tend to agree but then again, you never know. We were slated to play the winner of the Dnipro / Basel game in the next round - that would've been a very winnable tie. If we then avoided Chelsea, Spurs or Inter in the quarter finals, we might have progressed further still.
With Sturridge though, we'd have been one of the favourites I reckon.
With Sturridge though, we'd have been one of the favourites I reckon.
Maybe Sturridge wasn't available then or he hadn't decided on ending his Chelsea career? He had played 40-odd games the season before, and with Lukaku out on loan, Drogba and Kalou leaving and not replaced, he'd have been excused for thinking he'd get a chance to play more games this season.
Fair enough Pete. I'd agree with that.Aatually the claim I was making (none too clearly, apparently) was that we were never going to win the whole competition without them.
It was widely known that we didn't get sturridge on loan in the summer because he / chelsea wanted a permanent deal.
That's why he didn't make my top 3 in the MOTM thread.
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Yeah, you tell us, he's certainly no Nemestacic.. .I don't even know his name, but that young lad from City whom has played 15 games in England (including sub app.) and has already proved himself to be a better ball-playing defender than Agger, in your opinion.
I can understand, because of your recent ramblings about how bad Agger is, you are doing your utmost to find something to criticize about him.
Fact is he played like a boss like night, whether you like or not.
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I thought that was down to you wanting him to play in the reserves mate...?
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I never said he's proved himself to be a better ball-playing centre back. I said I think he has as much footballing ability as Agger. Not quite the same, but then you would have to have read my post (and understood it) to know that. Anyway, it's pointless reigniting that argument.
Agger made a nice run yesterday. He also made a mistake which could have cost us the game (earlier).
It was Agger in a nutshell really.
Yes. I mean, one little triangle, fine, so long as you then move up, but it goes back again - and again! It's as if the defenders are saying, 'Oops, bad luck, you nearly got it off us that time, now try again!' The nature of a triangle means the ball ends up back where it started, unless the three players move as they play it, so the fact they tend to remain stationary is part of the problem, but there really has to be some proper aim for it to justify the risk.
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Agger kept the Hulk at bay for more or less for 90 minutes, winning every physical battle.
He made several great challenges and won almost every single defensive header. Looked a danger on attacking set-pieces and made a few very smart runs upfield.
Apart from one poor pass his passing game was also splendid last night, both short and long.
So to say that's 'Agger in a nutshell' because of one poor pass in such an intense game as last night is not only quite irritating but quite wrong and frankly looks pretty agenda driven too.
I suspect we've all slightly underestimated the mental side of him coming back from this injury. He did say soon after returning that he was beginning not to think about the injury when he went in for tackles, and I think the sheer intensity of last night's game was probably just what he needed to come through unscathed.
Could well be due to Lucas playing better and allowing Allen to play the role he should be playing.
I liked Allen in the position, he looked good, however I think it was the game more than Lucas which allowed Allen to be good. I've said a couple of times before that I think Allen's biggest weakness is getting caught on the ball, and being targeted and harassed with the ball. He's getting subjected to that a lot more here than he ever did at Swansea, and I think he's struggling to adapt to that. Last night we had a license to play as for most of the game Zenit sat back and played tight, however there were still a few times in the game where someone knicked the ball of him from behind. I think he had can work on that aspect of the game, his form will improve again.
Wow, I saw it completely different to most here about Allen.
Well done for the goal, I was ecstatic and all, but apart from that I was often left very very frustrated when he'd get the ball in an advanced position only to have absolutely no imagination, clueless, frankly.
I'm not his fan and but for the goal I'd have been well pissed off with him. Henderson offers more when advanced, Lucas offers more in the defensive and positional department, and Gerrard is in a totally different league.
What was he really excelling at last night, for those that thought he was boss?
Well done for the goal, I was ecstatic and all, but apart from that I was often left very very frustrated when he'd get the ball in an advanced position only to have absolutely no imagination, clueless, frankly.
I'm not his fan and but for the goal I'd have been well pissed off with him. Henderson offers more when advanced, Lucas offers more in the defensive and positional department, and Gerrard is in a totally different league.
What was he really excelling at last night, for those that thought he was boss?
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