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Discussion in 'The Football Forum' started by Rosco, May 13, 2019.

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  1. tombrown

    tombrown Very Well-Known Member

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    I know nothing about this guy, but the prospect of having a Poulsen at Anfield again makes me physically ill.
     
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    doctor_mac My cowboy name is Garland Justice Moderator

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    If the new Ronaldo or Messi is called Konchesky it'll still be fuck no.
     
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    He is more likely to stay at Bayer for one more year since they secured the last remaining CL spot on the final day of the season. But whether it's this summer or next, this lad should be our top priority. What these kinds of compilations don't show is how tactically sound his overall game is – he is almost never subbed because he knows what's the right thing to do in every type of game or game situation and his versatility and range of his talents is such that he is able to seamlessly make these adjustments. Oh, and he's still 19.

    Havertz can play pretty much every front 6 position: wings, central, even up top; one of the quickest runners in the Bundesliga, great stamina and durability, cool-headed and consistent, highly coachable, scores all types of goals, including lots of headers, can pass and is great at finding space. Absolute coach's dream and sure to be one of the dominant all-around midfielders of the next 10 years. Klopp's first German signing for LFC deserves to be this special.
     
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    Far as I am aware players can strike up their own commercial deals, the have been allowed for decades, the easiest example is footwear sponsor. Addidas ad you saw had nothing to do with Man Utd, as it carried nothing of Man United. It's either part of his personal sponsorship with Addidas or additional work for Addidas.
    Is WAV anything to do with LFC, or a club that Daniel might DJ in.
    As to the fee's, when you have 150m followers on anything it's easily monetised. Even with Kim K, the ads are sporadic from what I can see but I did not spend more than 5 mins in total on all 3 accounts. Mind you some of Kim K's photos look like ads but are not explicit in saying their ads. The CoCo Chanel bikini one looks like a paid ad,
     
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    Frogfish Gone to Redcafe Member

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    Rather than us both guessing I did a quick search and scanned a few documents. It's rather more convoluted than simply one position or the other and likely runs the gamut of zero rights to the player (club owns everything) to the player owns all of them (Ronaldo, Messi etc.).

    Basically most players would sign the majority of their image rights over to the club with some concessions. Massive star players have the power to negotiate their own image rights though, e.g. Ronaldo owns all of his own image rights. Lesser players do not possess this power, the clubs do.

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    When a transfer is held up due to negotiation of “personal terms”, the arrangement regarding image rights is almost certainly one of the “terms” that are being discussed.
    Image rights payments are likely to be renegotiated more often than player contracts, due to the fluctuating nature of the use of a player in a club’s promotional material.
    Agents might negotiate with the club based on the total commercial revenue and the amount of material that a player featured in. A portion of the total revenue might then be negotiated to be paid back to the player.
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    Image rights can lead to conflict between clubs and players as the control of a footballer’s image is an important issue in any negotiations as both parties are very aware of the substantial financial benefits gained via image exploitation. For example there is bound to be a conflict where a club’s kit is made by Adidas but the player has an endorsement contract with Nike. The player will not want to surrender his lucrative endorsement deal yet the club will not want any erosion of the value of the sale of their kit manufacturing rights. Image rights contracts will be drawn up to strike a balance between conflicts such as these and remunerate either party accordingly.

    The Premier League is the premium football product on the planet, the TV revenue reflects this with viewing figures in the hundreds of millions and clubs and players will look to exploit this. Clubs need additional revenue from partnerships and they need the players to make a commitment to this, for example Liverpool will have image rights agreements stipulating that players such as Lallana, Mignolet and Skrtel are due remuneration for taking part in the TV advert for Gillette. With Financial Fair Play very much dictating clubs spending powers the more revenue that can be reaped through official club partnerships the better.

    However, clubs are very aware that players in their own right can endorse products and this can be to the club’s expense, image rights contracts will make provisions for this. For example Samsung have recently ended their long standing shirt sponsorship with Chelsea FC. Chelsea won’t want half their first team squad signing individual endorsements with Samsung that could lead to public assuming that Samsung are still tied into Chelsea. Furthermore Liverpool’s main shirt sponsor Standard Chartered will likely insist upon player image rights contracts limiting endorsing rival banks.

    Much of the above may lead you to think that image rights contracts are restrictive of players earning additional income from their image, and you would be right. It is for this reason that players are able to command such huge image rights fees.

    https://www.cmsolicitors.co.uk/news/legal/image-rights-in-football

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/how-player-image-rights-managed-football

    https://danielgeey.com/image-rights-in-uk-football-explained/
     
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    He's already had his first German signing. And he was pretty special alright.
     
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    Oh shit, I forgot Karius. OK, first non-GK German signing then :)
     
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    That's a valid point.
     
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    Pogba would have most likely kept most of his image rights, especially when he has more 30million plus followers on Instagram.
     
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    So this Havertz guy is the new De Bruyne then? sign him up
     
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    Read that Martin Ødegaard scored one and created twice yesterday. Took a look at his stats and it looks impressive (cue the it's only the Dutch Eredivisie). Still only 20 yrs old. Ajax seems to be after him.
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    NSFW (open)
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    Julian Brandt and Thorgan Hazard signed for Dortmund today!
     
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    Sancho gone?
     
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    Nah, he along with those two will play behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1 formation
     
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    Diego Godin is available for free - good option to have on the bench
     
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    Going to Inter.
     
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    Another success for the RB Salzburg scouting system?
     
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    The first thing all the pundits seemed to say after the season ended was that we needed to buy a back-up left back, but I don't agree with that at all. For one thing, Robertson - barring injury - is going to play most of the games, so that surely rules out the likes of another young player like Lloyd Kelly. I'm a big fan of his, but when they're that good at that age they surely want to play most of the time, not take over Moreno's social duties, so his move made perfect sense. And for another thing, we've already got Adam Lewis - I'd rate him as a really bright prospect with an excellent mentality, and the next step for him surely is to get some cup games and be in the first team squad as Robbo's back-up. He's also versatile enough to come on in the latter stages of games as a wide attacking player if needed. He's a red through and through, he's a passionate player, he'll learn quickly from Klopp and Robertson. Push him to progress like Trent was pushed.

    So IMHO we don't need a left back. We need a creative midfielder and a back-up striker.
     
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    Welcome back Mac! :)
     
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