Would do more in a red shirt than Carroll, that's for sure.
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Why does Clint Dempsey never get mentioned?
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[quote author=Shadey link=topic=48395.msg1468456#msg1468456 date=1327228958]
At the moment anyone could do better than Carroll in a red shirt
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At the moment anyone could do better than Carroll in a red shirt
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Versatile too - can play wide or up front, good with his head as well as on the ground. We were actually linked with him when Hodgson was in charge. Some on here derided the idea, and (despite all the other rubbish going on at the time) I couldn't understand why. Perhaps it was because of their previous association, but I thought that might have been one of Hodgson's better notions for a change.
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He's brave, for one thing, and apart from Bellamy we seem to have timid forwards at present.
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I thought that was very obvious during the Bolton match. Bellamy was the only forward with balls. Ironic that Kenny really bought him as a squad player.
He's brave, for one thing, and apart from Bellamy we seem to have timid forwards at present.
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I thought that was very obvious during the Bolton match. Bellamy was the only forward with balls. Ironic that Kenny really bought him as a squad player.
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If we'd got him around the time of the last world cup it would have been a great signing. On form or off, he's positive, aggressive and as hard as nails. Maybe it's how American kids are coached these days - Marc Pelosi has a similar attitude.
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They've always been good athletes, but more of them are playing here and in Europe now and I reckon that's put the necessary iron in their souls.
If we'd got him around the time of the last world cup it would have been a great signing. On form or off, he's positive, aggressive and as hard as nails. Maybe it's how American kids are coached these days - Marc Pelosi has a similar attitude.
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They've always been good athletes, but more of them are playing here and in Europe now and I reckon that's put the necessary iron in their souls.
In the US if you go into football its because you love the game because you are almost guaranteed to make more money in every other sport (and most professions). That helps as a starting point. In addition, I believe the professional athlete has a longer standing tradition here and creates far less boozers and troublesome types.
I like Clint Dempsey in general, and he was even referenced by me recently, as the sort of completely uninspired shit purchase we'd make, rather than unearthing a gem from where gems are most often unearthed in the world of football, which would not be the UK or US.
Don't our scouts like travelling? They used to like Spain and I was cool with that.
Don't our scouts like travelling? They used to like Spain and I was cool with that.
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I agree. Dempsey is under-rated, bearing in mind that he scores goals without getting the quality of service he would have at a bigger club.
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But that has been the mantra for all signings we make. As soon as they get their deserved service they will shine even brighter?
I agree. Dempsey is under-rated, bearing in mind that he scores goals without getting the quality of service he would have at a bigger club.
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But that has been the mantra for all signings we make. As soon as they get their deserved service they will shine even brighter?
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[quote author=Portly link=topic=48395.msg1468437#msg1468437 date=1327226270]
I agree. Dempsey is under-rated, bearing in mind that he scores goals without getting the quality of service he would have at a bigger club.
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But that has been the mantra for all signings we make. As soon as they get their deserved service they will shine even brighter?
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First you have to provide the service. If you take Andy Carroll as an example, it would be hard to argue that he has been provided with excellent service since we signed him.
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I agree. Dempsey is under-rated, bearing in mind that he scores goals without getting the quality of service he would have at a bigger club.
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But that has been the mantra for all signings we make. As soon as they get their deserved service they will shine even brighter?
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First you have to provide the service. If you take Andy Carroll as an example, it would be hard to argue that he has been provided with excellent service since we signed him.
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[quote author=Portly link=topic=48395.msg1468437#msg1468437 date=1327226270]
I agree. Dempsey is under-rated, bearing in mind that he scores goals without getting the quality of service he would have at a bigger club.
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But that has been the mantra for all signings we make. As soon as they get their deserved service they will shine even brighter?
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First you have to provide the service. If you take Andy Carroll as an example, it would be hard to argue that he has been provided with excellent service since we signed him.
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Carroll is a good example. A player cant afford the luxury of be provided service without contributing himself. I give it to Big Andy that a lot of the crossing we have done when he plays is done toward one Liverpool player inside the box. Then it is quite easy to isolate him for the defenders. Andy need the service of multiple Liverpool players treathening the box so the defenders have more to worrry about.
But having said that I find his work rate too low. To often he doesnt bother to make any movement before any cross so he is not troubling the defenders. He is too often hiding behind in impossible positions. Een inside the box a clever run away from the defenders will help you.
Also too often he wanders out of the box, and even if we delay the cross he doesnt use his energy to get in there. He is behind the crosser out at the line. No need for him there.
A third thing is that he is to seldom even troubling defenders when there is a cross. They seem to get the upper hand on him far to easy. And when he have openings, like against Bolton, he doesnt seem capable of grabbing them.
There is too much that cant be blamed at poor service.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=48395.msg1469026#msg1469026 date=1327309514]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=48395.msg1468437#msg1468437 date=1327226270]
I agree. Dempsey is under-rated, bearing in mind that he scores goals without getting the quality of service he would have at a bigger club.
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But that has been the mantra for all signings we make. As soon as they get their deserved service they will shine even brighter?
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First you have to provide the service. If you take Andy Carroll as an example, it would be hard to argue that he has been provided with excellent service since we signed him.
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Carroll is a good example. A player cant afford the luxury of be provided service without contributing himself. I give it to Big Andy that a lot of the crossing we have done when he plays is done toward one Liverpool player inside the box. Then it is quite easy to isolate him for the defenders. Andy need the service of multiple Liverpool players treathening the box so the defenders have more to worrry about.
But having said that I find his work rate too low. To often he doesnt bother to make any movement before any cross so he is not troubling the defenders. He is too often hiding behind in impossible positions. Een inside the box a clever run away from the defenders will help you.
Also too often he wanders out of the box, and even if we delay the cross he doesnt use his energy to get in there. He is behind the crosser out at the line. No need for him there.
A third thing is that he is to seldom even troubling defenders when there is a cross. They seem to get the upper hand on him far to easy. And when he have openings, like against Bolton, he doesnt seem capable of grabbing them.
There is too much that cant be blamed at poor service.
For those saying Dempsey is simply having a purple patch, in the last 2 seasons he has 21 league goals.
As for our current squad the last two seasons?
-Suarez: 16 league goals
-Bellamy: 16 league goals
-Carroll: 15 league goals
-Adam: 14 league goals
-Kuyt: 13 league goals
-Maxi: 12 league goals
-Downing: 7 league goals
-Gerrard: 6 league goals
As for our current squad the last two seasons?
-Suarez: 16 league goals
-Bellamy: 16 league goals
-Carroll: 15 league goals
-Adam: 14 league goals
-Kuyt: 13 league goals
-Maxi: 12 league goals
-Downing: 7 league goals
-Gerrard: 6 league goals
Dempsey with another two today, just saying.
I think I have mentioned him before - he first came to my attention when I saw him play in a world cup match when America had to take on Italy, he was outstanding in that game. One of the things about football is that certain clubs need certain types of players to take them to the next level or improve the overall capability of the team, these players don't need to be world beaters but they can make huge difference to the current squad. He is one of those players - but we would not buy someone like him readily. Remember when we bought Steve Finan and recently Enrique ?- they were not that expensive overall but they certainly make a difference to our team that is good. We just need to do that.
Think I heard some commentator say today that Dempsey has 21 goals for the season
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