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Antoine Semenyo

Klopp probably was a factor, but if we went head to head with city for a transfer there would be zero chance.

Not necessarily. To begin with City were hot to trot for Virgil at the same time as we were. The story eventually put out was that they didn't want to pay what Southampton were charging but there were also suggestions in the press that Klopp had sold Virgil on our "project", so Virgil told Southampton and City that he was Liverpool-bound come what may and City were just trying to put a brave face on things. In this version (which I can well believe) the fuss cooked up about our supposed "malpractice" was that b@stard Les Reed's last attempt to keep City interested.
 

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Shame. Have wanted him for a long time. He’d be wonderful for us but can’t blame him chasing a league title this season with City.
 
Not necessarily. To begin with City were hot to trot for Virgil at the same time as we were. The story eventually put out was that they didn't want to pay what Southampton were charging but there were also suggestions in the press that Klopp had sold Virgil on our "project", so Virgil told Southampton and City that he was Liverpool-bound come what may and City were just trying to put a brave face on things. In this version (which I can well believe) the fuss cooked up about our supposed "malpractice" was that b@stard Les Reed's last attempt to keep City interested.

Yeah but how much is paper chatter. Rice preferred city by all accounts but they didn't want to pay the fee, so he went to arsenal and it "was always them"

Hard to believe what comes out of anyone's camp tbh.
 
Not necessarily. To begin with City were hot to trot for Virgil at the same time as we were. The story eventually put out was that they didn't want to pay what Southampton were charging but there were also suggestions in the press that Klopp had sold Virgil on our "project", so Virgil told Southampton and City that he was Liverpool-bound come what may and City were just trying to put a brave face on things. In this version (which I can well believe) the fuss cooked up about our supposed "malpractice" was that b@stard Les Reed's last attempt to keep City interested.
No, we did breach the unwritten code of conduct. This was Edwards's first attempt at landing a big fish and he messed it up - prior to that Ian Ayre had led on doing deals. There's a kind of gentleman's agreement that you let your counterparts know when you're sniffing around one of their players. If they tell you to fuck off then you do everything officially (you can sort a lot via agents but you don't meet directly with the player), if they don't tell you to do one then it's implied that they're OK with you speaking to the player.
In this instance, Edwards didn't speak to Southampton and the next thing Virgil and Klopp were spotted at Blackpool Airport (why Blackpool still eludes me to this day). Saints complained to the FA who were poised to investigate. Their investigation would have run "Please send us the details of any flight manifests for [date] where the flight was commissioned by the club". That would have revealed that we paid for a return private flight from Southampton to Blackpool, sole passenger Mr V van Dijk. We'd have been bang to rights and probably got a transfer ban, so we backed off.
The player was sold on joining us by Klopp and Saints knew we were the only destination. They weren't trying to keep City interested, they were using the prospect of a transfer ban to get the fee they wanted and/or to keep the player. Fair play to them, we were out of order, or more particularly, Edwards didn't play by the rules.
 
Ian Ayre. Reminds me of Konoplyanka and Alex Teixeira. Thankfully we didn’t get either of them.
 
Ian Ayre. Reminds me of Konoplyanka and Alex Teixeira. Thankfully we didn’t get either of them.
Thing is it's hard to know in a different set up how good either of them could have been.

It worked out well for us but who knows if it could have worked out better
 
Thing is it's hard to know in a different set up how good either of them could have been.

It worked out well for us but who knows if it could have worked out better
I have a feeling it wouldn’t have worked out given their careers
 
Ian Ayre. Reminds me of Konoplyanka and Alex Teixeira. Thankfully we didn’t get either of them.
The Konoplyanka deal was an odd one. Ian had flown out to Ukraine to get the deal done, the Dnipro club president had told him he needed an hour to think about it and then snuck out of the building without telling anyone so that he couldn't be forced to sign the paperwork. Ian was still waiting to try to get the deal done and his PA was on the phone telling him to get to the airport as the pilot was spooked that some kind of civil war was about to break out in Ukraine and he wanted to get out of there asap.
 
The Konoplyanka deal was an odd one. Ian had flown out to Ukraine to get the deal done, the Dnipro club president had told him he needed an hour to think about it and then snuck out of the building without telling anyone so that he couldn't be forced to sign the paperwork. Ian was still waiting to try to get the deal done and his PA was on the phone telling him to get to the airport as the pilot was spooked that some kind of civil war was about to break out in Ukraine and he wanted to get out of there asap.

Must be a nightmare to negotiate with clubs and presidents were others own the rights to the players etc.
 
No, we did breach the unwritten code of conduct. This was Edwards's first attempt at landing a big fish and he messed it up - prior to that Ian Ayre had led on doing deals. There's a kind of gentleman's agreement that you let your counterparts know when you're sniffing around one of their players. If they tell you to fuck off then you do everything officially (you can sort a lot via agents but you don't meet directly with the player), if they don't tell you to do one then it's implied that they're OK with you speaking to the player.
In this instance, Edwards didn't speak to Southampton and the next thing Virgil and Klopp were spotted at Blackpool Airport (why Blackpool still eludes me to this day). Saints complained to the FA who were poised to investigate. Their investigation would have run "Please send us the details of any flight manifests for [date] where the flight was commissioned by the club". That would have revealed that we paid for a return private flight from Southampton to Blackpool, sole passenger Mr V van Dijk. We'd have been bang to rights and probably got a transfer ban, so we backed off.
The player was sold on joining us by Klopp and Saints knew we were the only destination. They weren't trying to keep City interested, they were using the prospect of a transfer ban to get the fee they wanted and/or to keep the player. Fair play to them, we were out of order, or more particularly, Edwards didn't play by the rules.

I hear you and obv.you've got an inside track that's far beyond me but, if what we "breached" was in fact an unwritten code, how could going against it have been officially punishable by a transfer ban or in any other way?
 
I assume the written code is that you cannot speak directly to the player, while the "unwritten code" is that it happens all the time, but is normally accompanied by a heads up to the owning club. As that didn't happen the unwritten code was breached, so Southampton decided to apply the actual written code
 
I assume the written code is that you cannot speak directly to the player, while the "unwritten code" is that it happens all the time, but is normally accompanied by a heads up to the owning club. As that didn't happen the unwritten code was breached, so Southampton decided to apply the actual written code
Correct.
 
I hear you and obv.you've got an inside track that's far beyond me but, if what we "breached" was in fact an unwritten code, how could going against it have been officially punishable by a transfer ban or in any other way?
@tombrown has it spot on. We breached both the written and unwritten code. But the breach of the written code would have been OK if we'd spoken to Southampton and they'd effectively given us the green light.
 
Must be a nightmare to negotiate with clubs and presidents were others own the rights to the players etc.
Yes, and there's also a thing there about player power. In England, the players are able to manipulate things and get what they want (e.g. Isak) but it's not always the case in other FAs. On the one hand, at the time we thought the Dnipro president had been a dick, but if I were a Dnipro fan I'd have wanted him to act the way he did. The difference is that a player like Konoplyanka, contracted to a club like Dnipro, had to do as he was told. Whereas a player like Isak didn't.
In truth, the Konoplyanka thing isn't that different to the Guehi deal, it's just quite rare in the UK to see the selling club dig their heels in. As much as we thought the club fucked the Guehi deal (and they certainly didn't help themselves by leaving it so late) it's a rare occurrence these days, and only really possible because the player didn't want to be a dick to his current club.
 
I’d imagine the ultras/gangsters over there would just actually go round to striking players house and break his legs unless he chooses to stay.
 
It must be kinda weird for players from certain countries. I remember a clip where Andrei Kanchelskis was trying to explain his career movements, and what he articulated was, they had my mum and dad and cousins and they looked after them and prevented harm from happening, they just made me move every year.

It's so weird that it generates so much money but can also be a form of slavery.
 
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