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Barca Reign to End....

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Not an enormous amount interesting me at the moment so I thought I'd call it now rather than in 5 months. I've thought if for a couple of months but the game with Napoli has convinced me.


Bayern Munich will win the CL and will beat Barca if they meet during the CL.

I would imagine there are a couple of teams who'd give themselves a pretty good chance; Madrid look very good this season and, while it's their first appearance in the competition, hard to deny the performances City are providing at this point.

All that said I think Bayern are the team to beat and will win - in Munich - in May.

That front 4 (even without Robben currently) has goals and creativity all over it. They can score from distance, they can play the tippy tappy stuff and they've got power in the air; they can score any way you like.

The creativity of that front 4 allows them to play with two midfielders who can control the centre. A striker in Gomez who works so hard without the ball the midfield have a smaller area to cover and control.

Their back 4 is tremendous and led by a fabulous left back in Lahm.

Finally you've got one of the best keepers in the world sitting behind them.

They don't press quite as hard as Barca but they attack without the ball and swamp you with it. The speed of movement in their passing is breathtaking, their physically strong and athletic. Finally, on top of all this, their's a sense of irresistability when they turn it on.

The first 35 minutes of a match is about hanging on which brings me to the only question I have on them. Last season they should have hammered Inter but let them back in very late when they literally went to sleep with a 3 goal lead. I'd like to see them have to work harder just to see what they've got in reserve but they dominated a good Napoli team - it was over after 35 minutes. They won't do that against Barca but I think Messi and co would find their fitness pushed beyond the limit and that's when they'll get beaten.
 
Got to agree with Neil. Barca can step it up when they need to, though this season the CL looks far more competitive and City, Bayern and Real are all looking good too.
 
I think Madrid will do it this year which is irritating as everyone will start sucking Mourinho off again.
 
I'll be surprised if Barca actually make it to the CL final. Win it they won't!

I commented last season that the only way to beat Barca was to make them work hard. They chase the ball so hard it's staggering but no one can do that - at that pace - for too long. They rest when they have the ball, passing it around in their patterns and moving it sideways, back and forward etc. Chase them with the same intensity when they have the ball and they'll start to tire. There was a period in their tie with Madrid where Real actually started to do this - and you could see Barca start to become flustered. They lost a some of their intensity and they started mis placing passes etc. Madrid simply didn't have the stamina to keep it up.

Bayern move the ball further, faster than Barca and I think that will be what takes the sting from Pepe's boys. This and the fact they have such a varied attack with such a lethal striker in Gomez will be enough to beat them. I'm not quite as confident they'd beat Real but I think they're perfectly suited to beating the boys from Nou Camp.
 
Citeh are gonna win the CL.

This gollum looking shaman got it tattooed a couple of years ago and I doubt he's ever wrong.

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Citeh are gonna win the CL.

This gollum looking shaman got it tattooed a couple of years ago and I doubt he's ever wrong.

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Stephen Ireland will never get a champs league medal so the tat will have to suffice!
 
Bayern were pretty impressive last night but they took the foot off the gas a bit and conceded 2 goals. Not sure if that's a sign of a team that's destined to blow away Barcelona.
 
Bayern have looked impressive for a good few seasons now IMO but they are not in the same class as Barca.

Barca are basically good enough to just keep the frigging ball away from them!

The only reason i dont see barca winning it again is the fact that a threepeat is so damned hard...
 
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Bayern were pretty impressive last night but they took the foot off the gas a bit and conceded 2 goals. Not sure if that's a sign of a team that's destined to blow away Barcelona.
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Remember what happened last time they took their foot off the gas and conceeded 2 goals. Sickens me every time I think of it.
 
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Bayern were pretty impressive last night but they took the foot off the gas a bit and conceded 2 goals. Not sure if that's a sign of a team that's destined to blow away Barcelona.
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Remember what happened last time they took their foot off the gas and conceeded 2 goals. Sickens me every time I think of it.
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I had completely forgotten about that. Thanks for reminding me!
 
I don't think Barca will be quite as successful this season either. They have the best midfield in the world by some distance but they need reinforcements in defence. Puyol can't play every game any more and has suffered injuries. Pique has also suffered injuries. Maschareno has filled in very well in the league, but I think he'll get a little more exposed in the CL if he's asked to play there regularly.

Real, as said, are looking very strong and in the CL there are finally more than one or two teams that look capable of mounting a challenge, Bayern being one of them.

That said, I'm not sure I agree regarding the point on Barca's fitness. They are as fit as anyone out there and if they're allowed to keep the ball for any length of time, the opposition will get tired out (in the same way Real did) regardless of who they are.

The best way to beat them is to really go at them at the start of games as Utd did in the CL final a couple years back and Valencia have done to some effect in a couple games. Bayern are capable of doing that.
 
Just to clarify, Keni, I'm not implying that Barca are suspect fitness wise. I'd agree they're pretty fit - probably in the top 2 or 3 teams. The point is they work so hard when they don't have the ball - if they have to do that for an extended period or if they have to do that repeatedly then they'll tire quickly; it's impossible for them not to.

Real (and the mancs to a lesser extent) went at them for a period and Barca looked to be struggling a little; making errors, looked flustered and, well, human. The problem was neither Fergusons boys nor Madrid were capable of sustaining that pressure.

Bayern, however, move the ball so quickly and they move it a long way. Barca play the nice, short interchange passing. When they don't have possession they hunt in packs and at full pace. Bayern don't play the short passing as often - they play longer passes but they do it very, very quickly. Barca would find themselves chasing a long way to get the ball and that chasing would tire them very quickly. Their whole game is really built on how they defend so if that breaks down I think they'll really struggle.

As I said, while this works well against Barca I wouldn't be quite so confident of it working against Real etc. If Bayern and Barca play early on (unlikely) it would really open up the competion for a lot of teams IMO.
 
It'd be an interesting contest but for Barca to get tired out in the manner you describe would depend on Bayern actually being able to pour forward and attack in numbers. The problem many teams find with Barcelona is that most of the game is played in their own half and when Barca are hunting in packs to regain possession there is no outlet up front because they've been so focused on defending, which of course makes it easier for Barca to win the ball back.

So that's one of the reasons I was saying that it'd be important for Bayern to go at Barca from the outset. Once Barca get into their rythym it's harder to break out and play your own game, but they are more susceptible at the start of games before they have settled and then you get the chance to commit men forward and give the midfielders and defenders an outlet.

You only have to look at the game against Plzen the other night. The Czechs had two fantastic chances to score early on and should've been 2-0 up. Then Barca got a goal, settled down and the game was over.
 
Barca are one of the best club sides ever and certainly the best in a generation, Bayern aren't, regardless of who wins the Champions League.
 
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Not an enormous amount interesting me at the moment so I thought I'd call it now rather than in 5 months. I've thought if for a couple of months but the game with Napoli has convinced me.


Bayern Munich will win the CL and will beat Barca if they meet during the CL.

I would imagine there are a couple of teams who'd give themselves a pretty good chance; Madrid look very good this season and, while it's their first appearance in the competition, hard to deny the performances City are providing at this point.

All that said I think Bayern are the team to beat and will win - in Munich - in May.

That front 4 (even without Robben currently) has goals and creativity all over it. They can score from distance, they can play the tippy tappy stuff and they've got power in the air; they can score any way you like.

The creativity of that front 4 allows them to play with two midfielders who can control the centre. A striker in Gomez who works so hard without the ball the midfield have a smaller area to cover and control.

Their back 4 is tremendous and led by a fabulous left back in Lahm.

Finally you've got one of the best keepers in the world sitting behind them.

They don't press quite as hard as Barca but they attack without the ball and swamp you with it. The speed of movement in their passing is breathtaking, their physically strong and athletic. Finally, on top of all this, their's a sense of irresistability when they turn it on.

The first 35 minutes of a match is about hanging on which brings me to the only question I have on them. Last season they should have hammered Inter but let them back in very late when they literally went to sleep with a 3 goal lead. I'd like to see them have to work harder just to see what they've got in reserve but they dominated a good Napoli team - it was over after 35 minutes. They won't do that against Barca but I think Messi and co would find their fitness pushed beyond the limit and that's when they'll get beaten.
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I would love if Munich won it and you know what I think they'll give it a fair crack. Strong, mobile and intelligent all over the pitch. I always felt Badstubber was their weak link at LB but he has moved in to the centre I think.

I've been on the German bandwagon with ages so hope they do well.
 
hmm ...i've seen alot of Bayern over the last few years and always felt their weakness was their central core - the 2 centre backs and 2 centre mids . They have added to these positions , converted Schweinsteiger to a centre mid (although he's out for a few months now) etc , but I'm still not sure it's strong enough to win the champs league . They've a good chance though with the attacking threat they pose and huge motivation with the final in their stadium .

On a side not , that Gomez lad never impressed me too much before when trying to step up for Germany or after his initial move to bayern , especially considering he cost 30-35m euros . But he got 39 in 45 last season and has 19 goals in 17 this !! . To think we were only a few hrs from signing him on loan last summer .

But i'd still expect Barca to have too much for them if they are on form .
 
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