Call me mad if you want...

[FoxForceFive]

Losing Suarez for a few games may mean we score more goals.

Yep, I said it.

I'm unsure myself whether I'm right, but part of me thinks we may perform better upfront.

I fucking love watching Suarez play, even on his debut I was literally spellbound, his first touches sublime, his up hunger for the game & desire to win everything all the time.

However, that desire means so much of our play & chances go through him, & cos he hasn't had a break (IMO), he's not at his very best, which is shown in his conversion rate primarily.

As such the break will do him good, & I think it just may get a few other players on the scoresheet too, propelling us up the table in the process.

Go on then, do your worst.

*awaits insults*

 

[Oncy]

I agree but for different reasons.

 

[Hansern]

Yeah, the break will do him good. Coming straight from the Copa wasnt the best start to the season and he looks a bit tired. Thats not strange with everything else going on aswell mind.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48122.msg1454421#msg1454421 date=1325544566]
I agree but for different reasons.
[/quote]

*bites juicy big worm*

Fuck, that sounded like a euphuism. Not intentionally.

 

[refugee]

I don't agree.

However we may score more goals as a consequence of having our captain and best player back.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48122.msg1454428#msg1454428 date=1325544825]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48122.msg1454421#msg1454421 date=1325544566]
I agree but for different reasons.
[/quote]

*bites juicy big worm*

Fuck, that sounded like a euphuism. Not intentionally.
[/quote]I just dont think hes a very good striker mate. Not that we have amazing options or anything, but I dont think it will do any harm to give Carroll and Bellamy a run of games.
Suarez has made 17 starts and scored 5 goals.
Bellamy has made 5 starts and scored 4 goals.
Maxi has made 4 starts and scored 2 goals.

 

[Skullflower]

if nothing else, were gonna see if carroll is capable of stepping up. it's hard to put him in the team at the moment but the ban changes that.

 

[monsieurdantes]

I would still overturn the FA ban, but the have the club ban him itself afterwards. That would be the most awesome outcome for liverpool football club.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48122.msg1454435#msg1454435 date=1325545455]
I would still overturn the FA ban, but the have the club ban him itself afterwards. That would be the most awesome outcome for liverpool football club.
[/quote]That would REEK of awesome.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=48122.msg1454433#msg1454433 date=1325545287]
if nothing else, were gonna see if carroll is capable of stepping up. it's hard to put him in the team at the moment but the ban changes that.
[/quote]Yup. Its fairly make or break isnt it.
There were signs of life between him and Gerrard ay?

Im quite excited to be honest as a Liverpool and England fan.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Gerrard will be whipping some fine balls in to Carroll.

Why does everything sound like a euphuism tonight!

 

[Squiggles]

Not convinced personally, but with Bellamy performing as well as he is, the Suarez ban isn't the end of the world as it well might have been.

 

[The Nomad]

Suarez and Gerrard though!? It's what we've been missing.

 

[gene hughes]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=48122.msg1454421#msg1454421 date=1325544566]
I agree but for different reasons.
[/quote]

Me too.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=48122.msg1454456#msg1454456 date=1325547083]
Suarez and Gerrard though!? It's what we've been missing.
[/quote]

That would indeed be mouth watering, but it can wait.

Yeah having two creative, inventive, tricky & genius midfielders on the field at once is a great prospect, & it has been required, but we'd still have the problem that Suarez takes the ball a lot & very rarely gives chances elsewhere, when there are others who can & do finish better than he.

 

[themn]

Eh ?

Suarez isn't a midfielder...is he ?

WhatyoutalkinboutJonFox?

 

[spider-Neil]

I'm with oncy. I agree but for different reasons.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Actually, thinking about it we had similar problems with Stevie for a while, he wanted, nay, demanded the ball at every opportunity, & if he wasn't given it by our players he simply took it from the opposition & our players.

However when he got it if he was having a bad day it meant Liverpool had a bad day. He grew out of this & learnt to relinquish some power & possession when he needed to. It's partly maturity & partly learning to trust the players around you IMO.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48122.msg1454477#msg1454477 date=1325548271]
Actually, thinking about it we had similar problems with Stevie for a while, he wanted, nay, demanded the ball at every opportunity, & if he wasn't given it by our players he simply took it from the opposition & our players.

However when he got it if he was having a bad day it meant Liverpool had a bad day. He grew out of this & learnt to relinquish some power & possession when he needed to. It's partly maturity & partly learning to trust the players around you IMO.
[/quote]

His greediness increased when Biscan played.....thankfully.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=themn link=topic=48122.msg1454471#msg1454471 date=1325547982]
Eh ?

Suarez isn't a midfielder...is he ?

WhatyoutalkinboutJonFox?
[/quote]

Heh. I'm tired.

 

[themn]

What are all these different reasons people are having ?

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=refugee link=topic=48122.msg1454479#msg1454479 date=1325548358]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48122.msg1454477#msg1454477 date=1325548271]
Actually, thinking about it we had similar problems with Stevie for a while, he wanted, nay, demanded the ball at every opportunity, & if he wasn't given it by our players he simply took it from the opposition & our players.

However when he got it if he was having a bad day it meant Liverpool had a bad day. He grew out of this & learnt to relinquish some power & possession when he needed to. It's partly maturity & partly learning to trust the players around you IMO.
[/quote]

His greediness increased when Biscan played.....thankfully.
[/quote]

Yep, hence the 'trust in players' line, Suarez has quality players there, he needs to learn to trust them more, we'd score more if he did.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48122.msg1454482#msg1454482 date=1325548456]
[quote author=refugee link=topic=48122.msg1454479#msg1454479 date=1325548358]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48122.msg1454477#msg1454477 date=1325548271]
Actually, thinking about it we had similar problems with Stevie for a while, he wanted, nay, demanded the ball at every opportunity, & if he wasn't given it by our players he simply took it from the opposition & our players.

However when he got it if he was having a bad day it meant Liverpool had a bad day. He grew out of this & learnt to relinquish some power & possession when he needed to. It's partly maturity & partly learning to trust the players around you IMO.
[/quote]

His greediness increased when Biscan played.....thankfully.
[/quote]

Yep, hence the 'trust in players' line, Suarez has quality players there, he needs to learn to trust them more, we'd score more if he did.
[/quote]

I know what you meant mate.

I just consider the players around Suarez better than (on the whole) than the ones Gerrard played with when he was in that phase. Even when Gerrard was in shit form, I'd still be shouting for the other players to get the ball to him.

I just think, Suarez, Downing, Adam, have been trying too hard so far (going for stupid shots, taking on one man too many etc.). Having Gerrard beside them will ease the pressure a bit and hopefully everyone will benefit.

 

[Insignificance]

Yes. You are mad.

 

[Frogfish]

I agree with Jon. I've thought for a while now that watching Suarez was the footballing equivalent of an orgasm. However his conversion rate is so poor that I was really interested to see how we got on without him against Newcastle and, although you can't base anything on one match, we had fewer chances without his creativity but a much higher conversion rate.


He is as Jon said, a scorer of great goals and not a great goalscorer. This is why I've stated for months that he needs a goalscorer that isn't called Andy Carroll, someone like Huntellar, alongside him.


He is a conundrum and I want to see Kenny solve it.


Gerrard, Bellamy, Downing (on his Newcastle form), Suarez and Huntellar is a pretty awesome front 5 that w(sh)ould score bin-loads.

 

[Insignificance]

Come on guys. It is not that we are likely to let in less goals if we drop Agger even if he scored an unlucky own goal? Little luis has carried our attacking play over most of this season. He has been brilliant. That he looked less sharp lately is understandable, and should not count against him. We should rater tune the team into supporting him more Thanks drop him. players like downing, adam, kuyt and Carroll has not supplied sufficient support... drop them and not Suarez.

 

[FoxForceFive]

So essentially what you're saying is Suarez can miss more than any other player but that every other player has to up their conversion rate.

Not having that I'm afraid.

 

[mark1975]

I think Suarez has been below par of late, but let's not kid ourselves, his first touch, hold up play and creativity are much needed at times. I agree though, a few people might up their games, but that always winds me up, do we really have to be missing one of our best players for that to happen?

The best thing that can happen is that we adjust and give ourselves a plan B and find out how to use Carroll or whoever else.

 

[Mystic]

I think its telling that Luis' drop in form has coincided with the racism allegations, however if should be fresh tonight, he's had a little rest compared to everyone else, so lets hope he and Gerrard show them how its done tonight.

 

[Mistadobalina]

It's a funny old game. Could well be we score more without relying on Suarez' magic. Gerrard looked very sharp against the Geordies which should help Carroll score a few and Bellamy is in a great bit of form. Then hopefully Suarez coming back fit and raring to go will be the boost we need to drive us into the top 4. Yay!