carroll or aguero?
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[quote author=ankreds link=topic=46470.msg1380756#msg1380756 date=1313464183]
It's funny how everyone asks the question aguero or Carrol when we actually had no chance of signing Aguero from the onset....pretty silly.
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Everyone? or just the soft lad that started this thread?
It's funny how everyone asks the question aguero or Carrol when we actually had no chance of signing Aguero from the onset....pretty silly.
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Everyone? or just the soft lad that started this thread?
1. Benitez admitted he was offered Aguero but decided against it.
2. We were never in with a real chance of signing him this summer, but I bet we kicked the tires on a deal.
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
2. We were never in with a real chance of signing him this summer, but I bet we kicked the tires on a deal.
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46470.msg1380625#msg1380625 date=1313441074]
We're on a roll these days with shite threads. If we had 220 k to spunk on wages and CL footy it would have been a genuine question.
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I dont think Aguero was a possibility for us this summer but thats about the combined wages of Cole and Jovanavic, its too simplistic to say we couldnt offer the wages, our wage bill is insane and in no way offers value for the return
We're on a roll these days with shite threads. If we had 220 k to spunk on wages and CL footy it would have been a genuine question.
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I dont think Aguero was a possibility for us this summer but thats about the combined wages of Cole and Jovanavic, its too simplistic to say we couldnt offer the wages, our wage bill is insane and in no way offers value for the return
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46470.msg1380798#msg1380798 date=1313484695]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46470.msg1380798#msg1380798 date=1313484695]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380801#msg1380801 date=1313485321]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46470.msg1380798#msg1380798 date=1313484695]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
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Agreed, though that doesn't mean we could have got Aguero. Champions League football, a team with massive amounts of money, probably double the wages he would have got elsewhere.... Yeah we CAN buy top players, the issue is always regarding whether clubs with more to offer than us become involved, more often than not when that becomes the case we're gonna lose out.
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46470.msg1380798#msg1380798 date=1313484695]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
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Agreed, though that doesn't mean we could have got Aguero. Champions League football, a team with massive amounts of money, probably double the wages he would have got elsewhere.... Yeah we CAN buy top players, the issue is always regarding whether clubs with more to offer than us become involved, more often than not when that becomes the case we're gonna lose out.
I'm much rather we waited till the end of the season (or even a handful of games FFS!) before the 'I told you so' flood the forum.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46470.msg1380803#msg1380803 date=1313485643]
I'm much rather we waited till the end of the season (or even a handful of games FFS!) before the 'I told you so' flood the forum.
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Exactly, it was Swansea FFS, Carroll's first goal against the 'mighty' City was as a good as anything Aguero did last night.
I'm much rather we waited till the end of the season (or even a handful of games FFS!) before the 'I told you so' flood the forum.
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Exactly, it was Swansea FFS, Carroll's first goal against the 'mighty' City was as a good as anything Aguero did last night.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46470.msg1380807#msg1380807 date=1313485855]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46470.msg1380803#msg1380803 date=1313485643]
I'm much rather we waited till the end of the season (or even a handful of games FFS!) before the 'I told you so' flood the forum.
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Exactly, it was Swansea FFS, Carroll's first goal against the 'mighty' City was as a good as anything Aguero did last night.
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Quite, two goals off the bench on your debut is quite a statement though, especially that last goal. I really don't want him to be good for them. Just like Silva, I like him too much.
For the record, I think if he gets a couple of goals and we hit some form, that Carroll we start banging them in. Although I'm not convinced of the result, I think Carroll will score on Saturday.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46470.msg1380803#msg1380803 date=1313485643]
I'm much rather we waited till the end of the season (or even a handful of games FFS!) before the 'I told you so' flood the forum.
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Exactly, it was Swansea FFS, Carroll's first goal against the 'mighty' City was as a good as anything Aguero did last night.
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Quite, two goals off the bench on your debut is quite a statement though, especially that last goal. I really don't want him to be good for them. Just like Silva, I like him too much.
For the record, I think if he gets a couple of goals and we hit some form, that Carroll we start banging them in. Although I'm not convinced of the result, I think Carroll will score on Saturday.
I don't have a problem with bigging up players from other teams, but give OUR players a chance before writing them off ffs.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46470.msg1380817#msg1380817 date=1313486494]
*only Swansea * ? Regardless he is going to be a bigger hit than Tevez.
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Yeah, only Swansea. I've always liked Aguero and I do think he'll be a hit, but:
* After one game against a newly promoted side, this is all a bit premature.
* They spent enough fucking money on him, he should be a hit, and so should Carroll. Making arguments about which one we should have bought is pointless, because we don't know whether Aguero was ever a viable option for us, certainly not once the like of Chelsea and City became involved (and he'd been linked on and off with Chelsea forever).
*only Swansea * ? Regardless he is going to be a bigger hit than Tevez.
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Yeah, only Swansea. I've always liked Aguero and I do think he'll be a hit, but:
* After one game against a newly promoted side, this is all a bit premature.
* They spent enough fucking money on him, he should be a hit, and so should Carroll. Making arguments about which one we should have bought is pointless, because we don't know whether Aguero was ever a viable option for us, certainly not once the like of Chelsea and City became involved (and he'd been linked on and off with Chelsea forever).
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380800#msg1380800 date=1313485188]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46470.msg1380798#msg1380798 date=1313484695]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
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I misread two, my apologies!
Suarez was an exception to the rule, people didn't go near him because he was a controversial character and playing in a weaker league. Of course he'd done it in the world cup, looked fantastic. But he'd bit someone's ear, had a reputation as dirty and it was hard to justify spending £25 million on him. We took a gamble on Suarez and it paid of fantastically. There isn't another Suarez around every corner, to be honest, he was this whole soccernomics thing as it's best.
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=46470.msg1380798#msg1380798 date=1313484695]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46470.msg1380793#msg1380793 date=1313483896]
3. It shows how top quality players are within reach given the money we had available . With more patience we might have signed some.
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Behave. Champions League football and a shit ton of wages is why Aguero went to city. Lets not pretend otherwise.
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Did you skip two?
We can sign top quality players, as evidenced by the Suarez deal. Instead we focused on massively overpriced decent Premiership players this summer.
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I misread two, my apologies!
Suarez was an exception to the rule, people didn't go near him because he was a controversial character and playing in a weaker league. Of course he'd done it in the world cup, looked fantastic. But he'd bit someone's ear, had a reputation as dirty and it was hard to justify spending £25 million on him. We took a gamble on Suarez and it paid of fantastically. There isn't another Suarez around every corner, to be honest, he was this whole soccernomics thing as it's best.
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=46470.msg1380797#msg1380797 date=1313484614]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46470.msg1380625#msg1380625 date=1313441074]
We're on a roll these days with shite threads. If we had 220 k to spunk on wages and CL footy it would have been a genuine question.
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I dont think Aguero was a possibility for us this summer but thats about the combined wages of Cole and Jovanavic, its too simplistic to say we couldnt offer the wages, our wage bill is insane and in no way offers value for the return
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I hope you are not suggesting that we could have got rid of two players and paid Aguero their combined wages. That would be a recipe for disaster.
The facts are that we couldnt have signed Aquero because of his wages, and thats without taking into account whether he would have wanted to come to us anyway. Aquero not being here is a Rafa slipup not a Kenny one.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46470.msg1380625#msg1380625 date=1313441074]
We're on a roll these days with shite threads. If we had 220 k to spunk on wages and CL footy it would have been a genuine question.
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I dont think Aguero was a possibility for us this summer but thats about the combined wages of Cole and Jovanavic, its too simplistic to say we couldnt offer the wages, our wage bill is insane and in no way offers value for the return
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I hope you are not suggesting that we could have got rid of two players and paid Aguero their combined wages. That would be a recipe for disaster.
The facts are that we couldnt have signed Aquero because of his wages, and thats without taking into account whether he would have wanted to come to us anyway. Aquero not being here is a Rafa slipup not a Kenny one.
[quote author=RedStar link=topic=46470.msg1380797#msg1380797 date=1313484614]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46470.msg1380625#msg1380625 date=1313441074]
We're on a roll these days with shite threads. If we had 220 k to spunk on wages and CL footy it would have been a genuine question.
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I dont think Aguero was a possibility for us this summer but thats about the combined wages of Cole and Jovanavic, its too simplistic to say we couldnt offer the wages, our wage bill is insane and in no way offers value for the return
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Thats exactly the reason why. It's well know we're trying to trim our wage bill at the moment and signing a player on £200,000 a week is exactly the way not to do that.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46470.msg1380625#msg1380625 date=1313441074]
We're on a roll these days with shite threads. If we had 220 k to spunk on wages and CL footy it would have been a genuine question.
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I dont think Aguero was a possibility for us this summer but thats about the combined wages of Cole and Jovanavic, its too simplistic to say we couldnt offer the wages, our wage bill is insane and in no way offers value for the return
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Thats exactly the reason why. It's well know we're trying to trim our wage bill at the moment and signing a player on £200,000 a week is exactly the way not to do that.
am I correct that;
degan
el zah
aurelio
contracts finish this season.
degan
el zah
aurelio
contracts finish this season.
Sotirios Kyrgiakos
Birthdate: 23.07.1979
Birthplace: Trikala Greece
Other clubs: Panathinaikos, Agios Nikolaos (loan), Rangers, Eintracht Frankfurt, AEK Athens
Bought from: AEK Athens
Signed for LFC: 2000000 21.08.2009
International debut: 13.02.2002 vs Sweden
International caps: 61/4 (11/0 at LFC) - 11.08.2010
Liverpool debut: 29.08.2009
Last appearance: 17.04.2011
Debut goal: 16.01.2010
Last goal: 24.10.2010
Contract expiry: 2012
LFC league games/goals: 30 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 49 / 3
his too
Birthdate: 23.07.1979
Birthplace: Trikala Greece
Other clubs: Panathinaikos, Agios Nikolaos (loan), Rangers, Eintracht Frankfurt, AEK Athens
Bought from: AEK Athens
Signed for LFC: 2000000 21.08.2009
International debut: 13.02.2002 vs Sweden
International caps: 61/4 (11/0 at LFC) - 11.08.2010
Liverpool debut: 29.08.2009
Last appearance: 17.04.2011
Debut goal: 16.01.2010
Last goal: 24.10.2010
Contract expiry: 2012
LFC league games/goals: 30 / 3
Total LFC games/goals: 49 / 3
his too
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46470.msg1380840#msg1380840 date=1313489509]
am I correct that;
degan Contract expiry: 2012
el zah Contract expiry: 2012 (July 2009)
aurelio Contract expiry: 2012
contracts finish this season.
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yay! but a slight sadness for aurelio who I think is a top player.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46470.msg1380840#msg1380840 date=1313489509]
am I correct that;
degan Contract expiry: 2012
el zah Contract expiry: 2012 (July 2009)
aurelio Contract expiry: 2012
contracts finish this season.
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yay! but a slight sadness for aurelio who I think is a top player.
R
RedZeppelin
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=46470.msg1380867#msg1380867 date=1313494309]
Fab will probably get offered an Owen type 'pay as you play' deal, I hope so anyway.
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So at the end of the season we'll end up owing him around £3.75
Fab will probably get offered an Owen type 'pay as you play' deal, I hope so anyway.
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So at the end of the season we'll end up owing him around £3.75
[quote author=RedZeppelin link=topic=46470.msg1380869#msg1380869 date=1313495137]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=46470.msg1380867#msg1380867 date=1313494309]
Fab will probably get offered an Owen type 'pay as you play' deal, I hope so anyway.
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So at the end of the season we'll end up owing him around £3.75
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including bonuses and expenses.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=46470.msg1380867#msg1380867 date=1313494309]
Fab will probably get offered an Owen type 'pay as you play' deal, I hope so anyway.
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So at the end of the season we'll end up owing him around £3.75
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including bonuses and expenses.
T
the_khl
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Carroll every day of the week.
Aguero is a talented footballer but we've already got Suarez, two players whom are pretty much alike.
Carroll on the other hand will be a beast for us and will win us loads of points Aguero wouldn't be able too (unless of course he was stepping on Suarez' feet).
For this post to make any sense actually the initial question should've been:
Carroll or Dzeko?
Otherwise it's nothing but an odd form of a reversed hyperbole towards Carroll.
Aguero is a talented footballer but we've already got Suarez, two players whom are pretty much alike.
Carroll on the other hand will be a beast for us and will win us loads of points Aguero wouldn't be able too (unless of course he was stepping on Suarez' feet).
For this post to make any sense actually the initial question should've been:
Carroll or Dzeko?
Otherwise it's nothing but an odd form of a reversed hyperbole towards Carroll.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46470.msg1380819#msg1380819 date=1313486645]
I don't have a problem with bigging up players from other teams, but give OUR players a chance before writing them off ffs.
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Hmmm. *big caveat* I may be wrong here Neil, but I'm sure you've (and all of us) have been guilty of knee jerk responses regarding transfers before 🙂
I don't have a problem with bigging up players from other teams, but give OUR players a chance before writing them off ffs.
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Hmmm. *big caveat* I may be wrong here Neil, but I'm sure you've (and all of us) have been guilty of knee jerk responses regarding transfers before 🙂
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=46470.msg1380867#msg1380867 date=1313494309]
Fab will probably get offered an Owen type 'pay as you play' deal, I hope so anyway.
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Good player, I like him, but I think we're done with him - just too unreliable from the fitness standpoint. I think we're covered there now with Enrique in the team and Robinson/Johnson as the backups. Robinson should get minutes in the Carling Cup this season, and maybe a few games in the league, and should get better with experience (hopefully anyway) so we're probably in a good position at LB now.
Oh yes, and we still have Insua. Depressing that we haven't been able to shift out much of the deadwood. 2012 and the few expired contracts can't come soon enough!
Fab will probably get offered an Owen type 'pay as you play' deal, I hope so anyway.
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Good player, I like him, but I think we're done with him - just too unreliable from the fitness standpoint. I think we're covered there now with Enrique in the team and Robinson/Johnson as the backups. Robinson should get minutes in the Carling Cup this season, and maybe a few games in the league, and should get better with experience (hopefully anyway) so we're probably in a good position at LB now.
Oh yes, and we still have Insua. Depressing that we haven't been able to shift out much of the deadwood. 2012 and the few expired contracts can't come soon enough!
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