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CB, DM and Semenyo

I would look at Eric Garcia and/or Marcos Sensei if Guehi fails to materelise

Garcia can play RB too. Given we are now financially fucked after the summer's outlays I hope we are paying attention to some of these options. All of Guehi, Senesi & Garcia improve our team.
 
There is interestingly a lot of CBs available on a free in the summer, meaning one might be available for a small fee as a short term squad plaster (which we need). Not commenting on quality or likelihood, but we currently have two fit CBs in the whole squad. This is a bit of an emergency.
  • Ibrahima Konaté (Liverpool)
  • Dayot Upamecano (Bayern Munich)
  • Marc Guéhi (Crystal Palace)
  • Antonio Rüdiger (Real Madrid)
  • John Stones (Manchester City)
  • Andreas Christensen (Barcelona)
  • Harry Maguire (Manchester United)
  • Marcos Senesi (AFC Bournemouth)
  • Niklas Süle (Borussia Dortmund)
  • James Tarkowski (Everton)
  • Eric García (Barcelona)
  • Fabian Schär (Newcastle United)
It also means a lot of clubs are in the market for a top Centre Back. I hope Hughes doesn't try to be too clever for our own good.
 
Garcia can play RB too. Given we are now financially fucked after the summer's outlays I hope we are paying attention to some of these options. All of Guehi, Senesi & Garcia improve our team.

Saw this yesterday and, for a brief moment, thought he might get linked with us — after all, he played under Slot and was signed by Hughes. But then again, he’s 28 and would probably want regular first-team football.


View: https://x.com/NizaarKinsella/status/2001263865150280023
 
There is interestingly a lot of CBs available on a free in the summer, meaning one might be available for a small fee as a short term squad plaster (which we need). Not commenting on quality or likelihood, but we currently have two fit CBs in the whole squad. This is a bit of an emergency.
  • Ibrahima Konaté (Liverpool)
  • Dayot Upamecano (Bayern Munich)
  • Marc Guéhi (Crystal Palace)
  • Antonio Rüdiger (Real Madrid)
  • John Stones (Manchester City)
  • Andreas Christensen (Barcelona)
  • Harry Maguire (Manchester United)
  • Marcos Senesi (AFC Bournemouth)
  • Niklas Süle (Borussia Dortmund)
  • James Tarkowski (Everton)
  • Eric García (Barcelona)
  • Fabian Schär (Newcastle United)
I heard on a podcast (may have been Momo's one) that we can't sign a foreign CB in January unless we ditch one from our squad (Mo?) That cuts down the list a bit.

Also, I believe we are not allowed to sign mongs, so you can remove Maguire
 
None of those CBs bar Guehi would be on my list. Upamecano is a very talented CB but prone to a fuck up.
The rest are meh or getting to old.
 
Saw this yesterday and, for a brief moment, thought he might get linked with us — after all, he played under Slot and was signed by Hughes. But then again, he’s 28 and would probably want regular first-team football.


View: https://x.com/NizaarKinsella/status/2001263865150280023

By going on a free, he is obviously after some dough so he is not going to give up a big pay check that only one of the top clubs can offer him. I will let Konate go since he isn't going to sign, bring in Guehi and Senesi. Senesi is a proven premier league CB, not too bad for a 3rd/4th choice.

Virg, Guehi, Senesi, Gomez, the Italian kid - should be a good lineup with net zero transfer fees.
 
Senesi will be 29 before the start of next season and has already showed he isnt the quickest. Don't think he a particularly good fit for us. Can also only play as a LCB.
 
I mean out of the free transfers he seems the best option if we are going down that route. Premier league proven and probably on the smallest wage on that list.

If we can somehow find another 30-50m quid for a flashy 3rd choice CB obviously it will be the preferred choice.
 
I heard on a podcast (may have been Momo's one) that we can't sign a foreign CB in January unless we ditch one from our squad (Mo?) That cuts down the list a bit.

Also, I believe we are not allowed to sign mongs, so you can remove Maguire

I think that not only are we at the limit for foreign players, but we are only one away from the overall limit as well.

So without removing players we only have space for one home grown player.

There's a few who could be ditched I guess though.
 
Senesi will be 29 before the start of next season and has already showed he isnt the quickest. Don't think he a particularly good fit for us. Can also only play as a LCB.

Not hugely here to make a case for him but we have no credible options at LCB for the cups and we are setting ourselves up for disaster playing Virgil relentlessly
 
I'm 100% convinced that all these young CBs doing the X formerly known as Twitter rounds are pure agent/PR driven nonsense since that supposed Dutch wonderkid who signed for Chelsea last year and looks absolutely terrible whenever he manages to get a game
 
Before we move forward with our signings, we need to create an identity - a style of play. We spent nearly a decade remagining our club - youth teams to first team in Klopp's style of play. When Slot was hired, one of the main reasons put forward was the continuation of that philosophy.

This season, we seem nothing like a Klopp team. Our signings also lack a common theme. It looks like a bunch of players thrown together, with no clear idea of how they'll work together.

Because of the identity running through this club's veins, Klopp was able to use youngsters to plug the gaps when emergencies arose. Slot was also sold to us as a developer of young talent. We have seen no evidence of that. Every half-decent youngster has been sold. Yes, they were not perfect. But we will never have the money to create an ideal squad. We had several youngsters who could do a job when called upon, and they all have been sold. If I were the parent of any young talent, I would advise my son to stay away from Liverpool.

I don't have any substantial evidence, as I am not party to any inside information. But from the outside, looking at our moves, it appears to be a systematic decision to dismantle and move away from Klopp's style. Which is ok, I guess. To a certain degree, I respect that. The magic sauce that made Klopp-ball work was Klopp. But then, unless we have a new identity, a new vision, a style of play where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, we can buy Guehi, Semenyo, Maldini, Baresi, Aimar, Figo, Zidane, Roberto Carlos, and there will always be holes to plug in the squad.

It was obvious from day one how Klopp wanted us to play. Slot has been here for one and a half seasons, and I have no clue what Slot ball really is. Apparently, neither the transfer committee nor the players have it either. Get that figured out and go from there rather than throwing more money at the problem.
 
I can't shake the feeling that Hughes and Edwards are secretly building a team for Xabi, despite no assurance or encouragement that he'll ever want to manage us.

Meanwhile Slot is basically trying to fit the players he trusts or understand into a first 11. He's abandoned any long term plans.
 
If we don’t sign a CB in Jan that’s top four long gone
Rubbish. We'll make the CL (which is Top 5) with or without. There's very little in it now and we'll get a lot better.

We do need the CB (Guehi) though to push for all the cups. Would love someone of the power and versatility of Semanyo too though I'm not 100% he is the one.
 
Before we move forward with our signings, we need to create an identity - a style of play. We spent nearly a decade remagining our club - youth teams to first team in Klopp's style of play. When Slot was hired, one of the main reasons put forward was the continuation of that philosophy.

This season, we seem nothing like a Klopp team. Our signings also lack a common theme. It looks like a bunch of players thrown together, with no clear idea of how they'll work together.

Because of the identity running through this club's veins, Klopp was able to use youngsters to plug the gaps when emergencies arose. Slot was also sold to us as a developer of young talent. We have seen no evidence of that. Every half-decent youngster has been sold. Yes, they were not perfect. But we will never have the money to create an ideal squad. We had several youngsters who could do a job when called upon, and they all have been sold. If I were the parent of any young talent, I would advise my son to stay away from Liverpool.

I don't have any substantial evidence, as I am not party to any inside information. But from the outside, looking at our moves, it appears to be a systematic decision to dismantle and move away from Klopp's style. Which is ok, I guess. To a certain degree, I respect that. The magic sauce that made Klopp-ball work was Klopp. But then, unless we have a new identity, a new vision, a style of play where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, we can buy Guehi, Semenyo, Maldini, Baresi, Aimar, Figo, Zidane, Roberto Carlos, and there will always be holes to plug in the squad.

It was obvious from day one how Klopp wanted us to play. Slot has been here for one and a half seasons, and I have no clue what Slot ball really is. Apparently, neither the transfer committee nor the players have it either. Get that figured out and go from there rather than throwing more money at the problem.
True and also not true. It's position dependant.

For a CB all we need is a player who can play a high line (pace), strong in the air and technically adept (passing and control) ... oh and isn't made of matchsticks. There are surely lots of CBs who fit that mould.
 
Before we move forward with our signings, we need to create an identity - a style of play. We spent nearly a decade remagining our club - youth teams to first team in Klopp's style of play. When Slot was hired, one of the main reasons put forward was the continuation of that philosophy.

This season, we seem nothing like a Klopp team. Our signings also lack a common theme. It looks like a bunch of players thrown together, with no clear idea of how they'll work together.

Because of the identity running through this club's veins, Klopp was able to use youngsters to plug the gaps when emergencies arose. Slot was also sold to us as a developer of young talent. We have seen no evidence of that. Every half-decent youngster has been sold. Yes, they were not perfect. But we will never have the money to create an ideal squad. We had several youngsters who could do a job when called upon, and they all have been sold. If I were the parent of any young talent, I would advise my son to stay away from Liverpool.

I don't have any substantial evidence, as I am not party to any inside information. But from the outside, looking at our moves, it appears to be a systematic decision to dismantle and move away from Klopp's style. Which is ok, I guess. To a certain degree, I respect that. The magic sauce that made Klopp-ball work was Klopp. But then, unless we have a new identity, a new vision, a style of play where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, we can buy Guehi, Semenyo, Maldini, Baresi, Aimar, Figo, Zidane, Roberto Carlos, and there will always be holes to plug in the squad.

It was obvious from day one how Klopp wanted us to play. Slot has been here for one and a half seasons, and I have no clue what Slot ball really is. Apparently, neither the transfer committee nor the players have it either. Get that figured out and go from there rather than throwing more money at the problem.

I agree to an extent, but the transition away from Klopp football started pretty quickly after Slot came in.
More controlled, less chaotic and heavy metal football. Must be pretty difficult for a manager to come in after Klopp and try to change the DNA of the team. I pretty sure he has an idea of how this team will look and play, but at the moment I think we are far from it. Very far. Whether that is down to him, a generational change of players or that we're in the middle of a rebuild is unknown. But we're selling him short in many ways and discredit his managerial ability.

We're at a crossroads though, so interesting to see where we go from here. Edwards and Hughes are building a team and a structure though. For who is the bigger question.
 
Rubbish. We'll make the CL (which is Top 5) with or without. There's very little in it now and we'll get a lot better.

We do need the CB (Guehi) though to push for all the cups. Would love someone of the power and versatility of Semanyo too though I'm not 100% he is the one.
Based on what? We have looked abysmal all season and Santa if ready to empty his sack. We still look an absolute mess and thinking we will definitely get there is pure hope.
True and also not true. It's position dependant.

For a CB all we need is a player who can play a high line (pace), strong in the air and technically adept (passing and control) ... oh and isn't made of matchsticks. There are surely lots of CBs who fit that mould.
We ended up signing the names rather than the profile. We got a list of the best names we could’ve got and got them. Then went oh shit. How do we get these to play in a team.
 
Based on what? We have looked abysmal all season and Santa if ready to empty his sack. We still look an absolute mess and thinking we will definitely get there is pure hope.
No we haven't and we don't. Stop being so hyperbolic you pussy.
We ended up signing the names rather than the profile. We got a list of the best names we could’ve got and got them. Then went oh shit. How do we get these to play in a team.
You know as well as I do that isn't how the analytics / Green / Slot would work. That's just a frustrated throwaway statement that isn't in the slightest bit true.
 
What games have we played like champions?

It’s not a throw away statement at all. Had we done real analytics looking at profiles we wouldn’t have broken our transfer record three times.

We started playing 4-3-3. With a massive fee for Wirtz who can’t play in that system. Same for Frimpong. Two CFs for over £200 million to share the same place. Now we’ve switched to a more accommodating 4-4-1-1/4-4-2 which means Salah isn’t needed meaning his contract renewal was stupid. Had it been a proper plan to have a formation to accommodate the signings we would’ve played that from day one of preseason. Not fumbling our way into November and throwing away the league.

We still didn’t address centre back or more defensive minded midfielder. So yes. We signed names not profiles.
 
What games have we played like champions?
You said we've looked abysmal all season. We haven't.
It’s not a throw away statement at all. Had we done real analytics looking at profiles we wouldn’t have broken our transfer record three times.
Because a billion dollar company like LFC didn't do their homework. Sure.
We started playing 4-3-3. With a massive fee for Wirtz who can’t play in that system. Same for Frimpong. Two CFs for over £200 million to share the same place.
As you well know Ekitike was the backup. Just because he's turned out to be fantastic doesn't mean that was the plan. It clearly wasn't so stop conflating. We lost Diaz, Nunez and Jota, two replacements were needed. Does this really need to be stated time and time again ad. infinitum?
Now we’ve switched to a more accommodating 4-4-1-1/4-4-2 which means Salah isn’t needed meaning his contract renewal was stupid. Had it been a proper plan to have a formation to accommodate the signings we would’ve played that from day one of preseason.
Nobody foresaw Salah falling off a cliff. Did you? That's called hindsight.
We still didn’t address centre back or more defensive minded midfielder. So yes. We signed names not profiles.
Gravy was DM of the PL last season and Endo is the de facto emergency stand in. We also had Badger but injury ruled him out. Again hindsight.

We should have, and almost did, sign Guehi. Glassner intervened and CP caved. Unfortunate. Yes we could have got someone else and you'll say (as you always do) why didn't we go for him earlier or just pay more? We almost got it right - a little unfortunate how it turned out but still - hindsight.
 
we have looked shit all season. Nobody can say we looked boss in any games because we’ve been shit. Not playing like champions.

They haven’t done their homework because it has all gone to shit. There’s no plan. If there was one we wouldn’t be sitting in 7th place. We would be right up the top.

We signed Ekitike and then pointlessly signed Isak because they are too similar. We needed a yin and yang. Nunez and Jota. One to swap out depending on who we are playing or even playing together to compliment each other. That isn’t going to happen with these two.

You’re asking the wrong person if the foresaw Salah’s drop off. I was one saying all of last season his numbers masked the shit football he was playing.

Endo was never getting a game under Slot, Badger has been injured for three years and we were actively looking for him to leave the club. We needed a defensive midfielder no matter how good Gravy is because we all saw how he tailed off from being overworked.

We didn’t get Guehi because we fucked around over a few million in January and only tested their resolve when it was too bloody late.

None of this is hindsight. It was obvious for all to see.
 
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