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Post Match EPL Man City (H) 1-2 Sunday February 8th

Every waking minute makes the Isak transfer seem more and more like ego stroking than an actual football plan. We've sacrificed depth for clicks

I don't think so. He'd have played quite a lot of minutes if he wasn't injured. This would have led to both gakpo playing less, and tekkers not playing more than the 70 he can manage of effective play.

Just because we are fucked for depth in general, just because we didn't sign others we need, doesn't mean us having elite attacking options wasn't necessary. It was.

I think Isak would have helped quite a bit over the last few games.
 
Amazingly he's not a right back, so colour me surprised when he can't hold an offside line and he can't defend as well as others.
So I repeat, yet again, Ramsey is almost certainly not a good enough player to play for us regularly and certainly nowhere near the sort of level that Szobo is BUT it is hard to believe that he is not competitive as a RB when we are in a pickle. He trains as a RB, he's played professional football for years as a RB.

If it was as simple as picking your best 11 and putting them on the pitch and letting them work out who plays where then it really is "jumpers for goalpost" time
 
I don't think so. He'd have played quite a lot of minutes if he wasn't injured. This would have led to both gakpo playing less, and tekkers not playing more than the 70 he can manage of effective play.

Just because we are fucked for depth in general, just because we didn't sign others we need, doesn't mean us having elite attacking options wasn't necessary. It was.

I think Isak would have helped quite a bit over the last few games.

I've no qualms with needing elite attacking talent, but overpaying in one area (I'm sure we could have gotten another striker for 60-90m), left us short on us getting depth on the wing and getting depth at CB.

We arent a club who can afford to spend 210m on 1 position. Now us leaving ourselves short means we didn't have a chance of getting a winger (semenyo), getting a CB (Guehi), and now have potentially overpaid for Jacquet.

It may all work out, and by Christ I hope it does, but by the time we've got the winger position sorted, we're going to be knee deep in difficult CM contact negotiations and may have to start rebuilding there. And that's just assuming Konate signs and vvd picks his performances up.

Last summer was step 1 of a rebuild. We should have been sensible. 1 elite striker, 1 elite CB, 1 elite winger, 1 elite lb. You update all departments equally as you go.

The fact slot sanctioned sales and loans because he didn't trust players, and then doesn't play what he's got left is even more damning.

Top to bottom we're on completely different wavelengths as a club.
 
I blame the players for the slow, side to side shite we are watching. If you look back at the start of last season, it's the same fucking turgid shite. We just had a better squad last season, had no real challengers and seemed to be able to grind out wins with shite performances.

We are the worse champions in history, absolutely shite. But we don't care cos were champions.


Fast forward to now, the players are shite (not Slot's fault they're shit) but it is his fault that he's too weak to do anything about it. That's on him and he should go as he hasn't got the personality for such a big job.

VVD should be nowhere need the team, he's shot

Konate has always been shite and always relies on getting away with fouls

Robertson is past it and we bought in Ketkez how is worse than a shot Robertson

Right back is a mess, but after Trent leaving we bought in Frimpong, just looking at him physically you can tell he's not a full back. That alone is incredibly bad recruitment.

Wirtz doesn't have the physicality for this league and is slow, again bad recruitment.

Gakpo - shite, no more needs to be said.

Salah - worse player on the part every fucking week.

Ekeiteke - a player who on one hand has done well, but on the other is in the peak of his fitness and can't play a full 90 mins

The squad of players we have are so bad that no manager past or present could turn this squad around, it's shite. No aggression, no pace, no physicality. No fucking nothing.

It's hard to comprehend that we've just spent 400 million and got this shite.

We are not a club that can do that every transfer window. We are lucky if we do this once a decade.

We are truly fucked, it could take decades to come back from this if we ever do.

Slot has to go.
Whoever is in charge of transfers has to go.
MOST of the first team need to go.
Who gave @binomial two logins?
 
I mean this sincerely, that I think the only thing making me optimistic is that we are the best awful team I've ever seen. Sure, we can't win games on the same level as hodgson, but that team never occasionally sparked into life or completely and spectacularly stabbed itself in public. It just plodded along with the enthusiasm of someone walking to their death.

We still produce moments of real magic... That ultimately abort themselves one way or another. We still have players who look quite dominant in moments... And don't look part of any cohesive team. We contrive to find amazing new ways of shitting ourselves, again and again.

We look extremely poorly coached in very basic ways. You see it with our playing out the back, with our clueless buildup, with our largely improvised pressing. Whatever we accidentally do well, we can't hold on to for more than 20 minutes.

We also went into this season weaker than last due to chronic neglect and deferred maintenance of the squad.

Our biggest deficiencies are obvious and solvable.

Why you would entrust any of the architects of this doomed lot to fix it, though, I haven't got a clue.

If you want slot to teach a young group of defenders how to play football whatever way his is, then I'd love to hear why.
Yep. That's why it's absolutely imperative we get rid of the manager. It should have happened months ago. Anyone capable of coaching and instilling the mere basics would have done more with our build up play, our pressing, our movement, our attacking. I'm certain of that. The players are that good and the league is that bad that it wouldn't actually take that much to see a marked improvement if someone came in and just did the bare minimum. Slot is having a detrimental effect on these players.

I said it last night in the match thread... At some point during the second half, the players started to press, get the ball forward urgently, move off the ball. The full backs suddenly decided to overlap the wingers and get to the byline. Absolute basic stuff and it made a huge difference. We could've had 2 or 3 goals.

Then, as you say, we scored and Slot shit his undies and we sat back and went back to playing how we did in the first half.

Fundamentally, he's a coward. He's too scared to start the game with any impetus or aggressive intent. He wants to feel out the opposition and not risk maybe going a goal down - which we invariably do anyway. As soon as we score, he wants us to desperately fall back and cling on to what we've got rather than build on that momentum.

When we go behind and chase the game in the dying minutes, that's when he shows some false semblance of courage by throwing Virgil up front and actually making substitutions, or ludicrously as he did last night, throwing Alisson up front. But it's all a pretence. It's school playground kick and rush stuff because he can't do the basics. He can then point to his desperate, wild gung ho "tactics" and say, "look, we went for it. Look at all the attackers I threw on at the end of the game." But he's actually too scared to trust them in the first place, and he's too scared to win the game before all is already lost.

Get someone in who can do the basics. Just a decent coach. Not a shithouse. Someone who doesn't kill the spirit or confidence of the team. It doesn't have to be some generational tactician. Get the players pressing, moving the ball quickly, moving off the ball. We'd gain significantly more points. Had we done it months ago, we would be in a decent position.
 
I'm not really bothered by the Ref - think he got most things right. Technically, he was right to disallow the City goal and send Szobo off, although the rules are fucking stupid.

The moments which really cost us were of our own making—the Ekitke miss. Haven't seen that mentioned on here as much as it should. If we're a side that only plays well for 20 minutes, against decent opposition, then you sure as hell have to take the easy chances when on top. The second is the Alisson blunder. I don't know why he rushed out. The ball seemed to be going out of play. All he had to do was stand by the near post and respond if he was able get a foot onto it. Even if he had done so, it would been a stabbed low cross towards the six-yard box. Easy enough to respond to. He panicked, misreading the situation badly, and turned a point into none. The third, although the game was done then, is the Szozbo red. I'll give Szobo all the love. If there was one player who was going to be chasing back, doing his all to prevent us losing by 2 goals, then it's him. But for fuck sake, don't take a red card for the sake of a token goal. Donnarruma deserves some credit for that Mac Allister save, too.

The players deserve some accountability for those moments. But the bigger questions always come back to Slot. Why can we only show some intensity and drive for 25 minutes, at home, against one of our recent rivals? We play like we're happy to get in level at halftime. Anfield is never going to respond to that. It's only a fortress and intimidating either when the team are winning and playing well or is on the front foot and being aggressive in all aspects of the game. At a time when Michael fucking Carrick is showing that it's not even that hard, we've got a coach who cannot get the best out of the first team, the squad, the kids, and the crowd, and that's largely why we're drifting into the Europa League, at best.
 
The defensive performance and commitment from Macca and Jones for the Nunes run which resulted in the penalty was horrendous.
Jones had been on the pitch for minutes and can’t even be arsed to track back.
 
Genuine question here, why does that mean he should go and support Chelsea? Because he called the manager a cunt? (I don't agree with that either, by the way)

Or is it wanting him sacked? The manager isn't good enough. We'd improve with him gone. We all want the side to improve...

We have spent a significant amount on a title winning side only to find ourselves scrounging around with Everton, Sunderland, Brentford, Fulham etc...
Well for one thing I was in a pub in town topping up on the pints I had pre match.

I am not in favour of sacking Slot, but I realise many are and I am clever enough to recognise there is a strong possibility he will go, probably at the end of the season. But yes, my main concern is the disrespect shown by calling him a cunt & so on. People go on about how we are a special club with good fans, but calling a title winning manager names like that does not fit that image we like to portray. It would seem more fitting for Chelsea fans who call for sackings every 6 months or so.
 
Well for one thing I was in a pub in town topping up on the pints I had pre match.

I am not in favour of sacking Slot, but I realise many are and I am clever enough to recognise there is a strong possibility he will go, probably at the end of the season. But yes, my main concern is the disrespect shown by calling him a cunt & so on. People go on about how we are a special club with good fans, but calling a title winning manager names like that does not fit that image we like to portray. It would seem more fitting for Chelsea fans who call for sackings every 6 months or so.

Pints, fair enough. And I'm with you on the name calling. Although, I have called him a coward and a fraud myself. The former I mean in the literal sense, not as a slur. The latter, maybe a bit unfair, but I just don't think he's a very good manager.

We are a special club, and we do have some special fans left, but at what point are we avoiding the obvious just so we can point to our reputation as supporters in spite of all falling apart around us?

Hodgson wasn't good enough and was taking us backwards. The fans didn't want him and he was deservedly sacked. Slot has a record that is slightly worse than Hodgson's over the last 20 games with a much superior squad. He is taking us backwards.

Blind faith and unconditional support isn't always what's best for the club. If Slot stays much longer, we'll be in midtable mediocrity and out of Europe altogether. God knows what next season would look like as we're not getting any better under him. Had we not won those first 5 games of the season - which we easily might not have done given the nature of the wins - we'd be in a relegation battle. A relegation battle. That's not hyperbole.

I'll always be grateful that Slot helped us win the league. But there comes a time when a change is needed. It happened with Houllier, Rafa, Kenny etc...

We all want Liverpool to win and do better. Our best chance of that is getting a different manager.
 
Agree on that. He is not good enough and out of his depth but he IS still a League winning Liverpool Head Coach
You can credit someone's accomplishments but still think they're a cunt. Respect someone professionally but think they're a prick.
 
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