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FA Cup Final ... Ratings

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Frogfish

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Pepe (4) - oh dear, clearly out of form. I expect he'll have a storming season in 2012/13.

Enrique (5) - he and Downing do NOT go well together. One of them has to go.

Agger (8) - very good game - I particularly loved the way he brought the ball out of defence.

Skrtel (7) - despite his mistimed block on Drogba for the second goal he otherwise dominated them.

Johnson (7.5) - excellent game defensively, offensively his control and trickery down the right, plus a number of incursions infield and good crosses caused them problems.

Spearing (4) - one of the main culprits in both goals. He seems to do a lot right and then just fuck it all up doing something stupid. Poor concentration rather than poor technique ?

Henderson (6.5) - I though he had a decent game, kept possession well, won the ball as much as he lost it and ran his socks off but, always an issue, he doesn't push the team forward.

Gerrard (9) MoM - I thought he was MoM. In fact I though he was trying to do too much, covering for Spearing/Henderson/Downing/Enrique and then pushing himself and the team forward. He absolutely ran his bollocks off. In the last 30 it was SG pushing that wave after wave of Red forward.

Downing (3+7) - absolutely abysmal in the first half, virtually no understanding with Enrique and constantly passed balls out of play or to a Chelsea player and zero forward impetus. In the second he started getting forward more and taking on Bosingwa, made a few decent crosses and his running with Suarez helped create problems.

Bellamy (5) - he has been off form for the past few weeks and that continued here, lost possession and didn't make use of his pace even when one on one. Plain vanilla game for Bellers.

Suarez (6.5) - isolated for much of the game because of the poor performances of both Downing and Bellamy though he didn't help himself with a few poor lay-offs. Once Carroll came on and Downing started to attack Bosingwa in earnest he got the little space he needs to do his magic and he started to turn it on.

Carroll (9) - Can't give him MoM for a 40 minute run against SG's 90 but this was otherwise a superb cameo. Created problems for the Chelsea defence from the word Go, very unlucky not to have two goals to his name (though he does have a tendency to power headers at saveable height rather than heading the ball down ..... which in this match would have been a certain goal, and the way we were playing maybe the match. His first goal was unbelievable .. I didn't know he possessed those skills and he turned Terry inside/out.

Kuyt (6.5) - An improvement on Bellamy. Got to the byline, won a corner or two and created some problems for them down the right.

Kenny (8) - started the team that most thought was right. Made an early change (55 mins) when we went 0-2 and it changed the complexion of the game entirely. Instead of having possession and no penetration we started to cause panic in their defence and they dropped deeper and deeper. The manager can only put the right team and formation out there and make changes at the right time if necessary - Kenny did that. We were unlucky to lose this, the better team on the day lost. Sometimes I hate football.
 
Such a contrast of two halves. Enrique, Reina and Spearing collectively were a shambles for the first goal. Carroll was nothing shot of sensational, he has found his confidence.
 
Pepe - 5.5
Magic - 8.5
Skrtel - 7.5
Agger - 7.5
Enrique - 5
Henderson - 6
Spearing - 4
Stevie - 6.5
Suarez - 6.5
Bellamy - 5.5
Downing - 6

Carroll - 9 MOTM
Kuyt - 6.5
 
pepe - 5
johnson - 7
skrtel - 7
agger - 7
enrique - 5
henderson - 4
spearing - 4
Stevie - 6
suarez - 6
Bellamy - 6
downing - 5

Carroll - 8
Kuyt - 6
 
Our best players by far was Carroll, Agger, Gerrard and Johnson for me.

Under par: Reina, Skrtel, Suarez

Very very poor: Bellers, Enrique, Spearing

The rest all a bit meh.
 
Johnson is one of the few world class players we have, sadly there's a myth people seem to perpetuate that he cant defend.
 
reina - 4 - didnt really have a lot to do, didnt do it right either
Enrique - 4 - one of the worst games ive seen him have, i still think he was one of our best buys and he can be a great defender, just needs to be more consistent
Agger - 8 - good game
Skrtel - 7 - should have put a tackle in for the drogba goal but still was decent
Glenjo - 7 - played well, didnt see enough of the because for some reason we kept attacking down the left
Spearing - 3 - again one of the worst games ive seen him play, he's had some decent games when alongside lucas, he should be a squad player at best
Henderson - 5 - didnt do anything bad, didnt do anything good
Stevie - 8 - like everyone else had a below par first half, bossed the game in our good spell though
Downing - 6 - put in some decent effort in our good spell, dont think he's generally good enough tbh, or at least he decent suit our style
Carrol - 8 - bullied defenders when he came on, gave space for everyone else
Bellers - 5 - bit anonymous, dont like him on the wing really, think he's a lot better as a striker
Suarez - 7 - quiet game by his standards, looked quite good on the wings though, if carrol is started more next season id like to see him played there more often
 
His positioning is his only weak point IMO, & when he the team aren't struggling in front of him it's rarely an issue, if ever, he gets pulled out of his positioning trying to cover for others, or trying to provide an outlet when others aren't.
 
RE: Skrtel

For all those saying he was under par, he kept Didier Drogba, who we seen over the years is a player for the big occasions, quiet for 90 minutes bar one excellent shot (which unfortunately for us resulted in a goal). Not many defenders in the world can make that boast. Sure he didn't make eye-catching runs into the opponent's half, but to rate his efforts below Agger and Johnson would be unjust.
 
RE: Skrtel

For all those saying he was under par, he kept Didier Drogba, who we seen over the years is a player for the big occasions, quiet for 90 minutes bar one excellent shot (which unfortunately for us resulted in a goal). Not many defenders in the world can make that boast. Sure he didn't make eye-catching runs into the opponent's half, but to rate his efforts below Agger and Johnson would be unjust.
Both Johnson and Agger had their encounters with Drogba in the game as well and they also kept him well quiet.

Skrtel had a good game until he in very sloppy fashion failed to block Drogba's shot. After that incident he made a few other very strange calls inside our own penalty area. He was not as good as he has been overall in this game imo.
 
I completely disagree! I wouldn't blame any of the players (except possibly Gerrard on the assumption that his instructions were to play behind Suarez). I think the defeat was entirely down to Kenny's shit team selection and tactics.

It is easy to say in hind-sight Portly but if you check the pre-match thread almost everyone, on here at least, was happy with the team when announced.
 
It is easy to say in hind-sight Portly but if you check the pre-match thread almost everyone, on here at least, was happy with the team when announced.
*cough......wanted Carroll to start *cough* check match thread....cough*
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It is easy to say in hind-sight Portly but if you check the pre-match thread almost everyone, on here at least, was happy with the team when announced.

It seems to me that the problem with the team setup was that unless Gerrard played further forward than usual, we weren't going to get enough players into the Chelsea penalty area and Suarez was going to end up isolated and ineffective up front. It wasn't difficult to predict that, because that's happened in so many of our dreary league games this season. Gerrard likes to play deep so we ended up with three men in the middle when we only needed two. It became clear after about ten minutes that the way to put this right was to take Spearing off and put Carroll on as target man for Suarez to play off. It took Kenny a whole hour to work that out by which time it was too late.
 
Both Johnson and Agger had their encounters with Drogba in the game as well and they also kept him well quiet.

Skrtel had a good game until he in very sloppy fashion failed to block Drogba's shot. After that incident he made a few other very strange calls inside our own penalty area. He was not as good as he has been overall in this game imo.

As soon as Drogba scored, I knew you'd be on Skrtel's case. Drogba simply scored a magnificent goal, that neither defender nor goalkeeper would be able to stop. Do you seriously think he didn't mean for it to go between Skrtel's legs and just inside the post? By you reasoning, every brilliant goal we ever seen go in between the legs of a goalkeeper or defender is really down to sloppy defending. "Sloppy"! That's just laughable!
 
Reina 4.5 - Can't actually think of a save he had to make except the two goals. Know what he was trying to do for the first - just didn't work.

Enrique 4 - I'm with most other people; can't figure out what's happened to him in the last two months. He's become the player I thought we'd bought at the start of the season. Terrible decision for the first goal.

Agger 7.5 - Had a pretty good game but poor efforts to head the ball away as well as in their penalty area.

Skrtel 7 - Could have given a pen away with his rugby tackle on Terry in 2nd half, wasn't close enough to Drogba for the 2nd goal. Other than that he was very good and he popped up forward and back in the last 30 minutes.

Glenjo 8 - Thought he was outstanding. Only criticism was we didn't see enough of him because the ball kept going down the other side. Composed in defense, quick and skilfull in attack.

Spearing 3.5 - Feel for Jay. Made a few silly errors but two of them got magnified because the started what turned out to be the 2 goals. He's better than championship for those silly enough to claim it but he's not a first choice for a team like us. Couldn't help thinking of the way Lucas harrassed the crap out the Chavs when he's played them recently. Next season.

Henderson 5 - Hard to know with Hendo. Can't get over how often he passes the ball backwards but then the same criticism has been levelled at others at times due to lack of movement. He kept trying and ran non stop but offered little to no threat. His two "shots" bought me near to tears.

Stevie 8.5 - Thought he would be closer to Luis but Spearing was struggling and Hendo couldn't get the ball forward so he dropped further to pick it up and bring it forward. From 52 minutes with Carroll he started to show he's still got it to dominate a game. He still needs more help but this game gave me comfort that Stevie is far from finished. Thought he'd bury that volley but was the wrong height.

Downing 6 - Tried hard and put in some very good crosses which were either wasted or a vacant penalty area. First half was atrocious.

Carrol 8.5 - Beast of a performance when he came on and Chelsea weren't prepared for him at all. Thought he had 2 but not to be. Would have been our best if he'd been there for 90 and produced that same performance.

Bellers 5.5 - Age seemed to catch up to Bellers for this one. Thought he'd get in the middle a bit more often but looked a yard slower and less sure of himself.

Suarez 7 - Suffered from Stevie being too far back for the first 50 minutes. Looked far more dangerous once Carroll came on and gave Stevie some focus up front. Wonderful player whom Chelsea were clearly prepared for unlike with Carroll.


Kenny 8 - Surprised by Portly who's clearly had enough of this season. His starting side was good and there's always going to be someone who would have picked another player but this was fine. Didn't wait for 60.0000 minutes to bring a sub on like certain other managers and made exactly the right choice when he did it. Only criticism was not bringing Kuyt on earlier. Thought the struggle was with Spearing and Henderson unable to get the ball forwards. He needed Kuyt and his work rate to help connect Stevie and the rest of the forward line. Made up for the change his bought about in Carroll which for me stems from the Newcastle game. Needs to ensure that Carroll doesn't go backwards over the off season.
 
Agree with most of that, but 8.5 rating for Gerrard's performance? that's extremely generous.
 
As soon as Drogba scored, I knew you'd be on Skrtel's case. Drogba simply scored a magnificent goal, that neither defender nor goalkeeper would be able to stop. Do you seriously think he didn't mean for it to go between Skrtel's legs and just inside the post? By you reasoning, every brilliant goal we ever seen go in between the legs of a goalkeeper or defender is really down to sloppy defending. "Sloppy"! That's just laughable!
Come on, the reason you knew "I'd be on Skrtel's case" was because it wasn't very convincing defending at all. First of all he backed off instead of actually close him down.

He then failed to get into the right position to actually block the shot now he had given him the chance to even shoot. He got a whole of the size of garage between his legs.

It was sloppy defending.

Nothing more to it. He's had a great Season that just wasn't his proudest moment, hope you'll get over it.
 
Carroll - beast of a performance?

Cech shouldn't have got near that ball for the save from his header. Poor finish cost us a chance to get back into the Cup final. Good finish for his first and some good movement and touches but yeah, big miss for me..
 
Seems like many are forgetting that Downing created the goal out of nothing with a beautiful tackle to win the ball and pass it to Big Andy all in one motion.
 
Carroll - beast of a performance?

Cech shouldn't have got near that ball for the save from his header. Poor finish cost us a chance to get back into the Cup final. Good finish for his first and some good movement and touches but yeah, big miss for me..

Come on it was a world class save
 
Come on it was a world class save

It was a decent save BUT Cech should never have got near it, it wasn't a great header, as I said he should have broke the net from where he was - I was that confident that he'd bury it I was up and away celebrating on Saturday night only to see it be kept out.

It was much closer to a poor finish from Carroll than it was a class save from Cech.
 
It was a decent save BUT Cech should never have got near it, it wasn't a great header, as I said he should have broke the net from where he was - I was that confident that he'd bury it I was up and away celebrating on Saturday night only to see it be kept out.

It was much closer to a poor finish from Carroll than it was a class save from Cech.
Whatever the arguments that can be made for Carroll not giving Cech a chance with the header to make the save, I don't think it can be denied that it was a top drawer, superb one.
 
It was a decent save BUT Cech should never have got near it, it wasn't a great header, as I said he should have broke the net from where he was - I was that confident that he'd bury it I was up and away celebrating on Saturday night only to see it be kept out.

It was much closer to a poor finish from Carroll than it was a class save from Cech.

I think that's harsh HC, he was at a fairly narrow angle anyway. I was more annoyed that he celebrated straight away, if you watch it again he could have followed it up and buried it. That said, it was a very good performance by Carroll.
 
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