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This is just a quick post, but when I saw the formation the other night, and one a few weeks ago, I thought "you fucking idiot", you're just like Rafa, being meddlesome for the sake of it, over complicating things, but it worked both times. You can see that, despite looking at the opposition and working out how to nullify their threat, he also knows that we have a game plan. Rather than sending us out there and saying, "stop them" he's saying, play your game, but this is how we'll line up.

I'm loving this so far. I think we might get done by Chelsea, but fuck it, this is a step, not a stride.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44032.msg1277690#msg1277690 date=1296783021]
This is just a quick post, but when I saw the formation the other night, and one a few weeks ago, I thought "you fucking idiot", you're just like Rafa, being meddlesome for the sake of it, over complicating things, but it worked both times. You can see that, despite looking at the opposition and working out how to nullify their threat, he also knows that we have a game plan. Rather than sending us out there and saying, "stop them" he's saying, play your game, but this is how we'll line up.

I'm loving this so far. I think we might get done by Chelsea, but fuck it, this is a step, not a stride.
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I thought similar but mostly because my mate showed me the teams on some sky sports iphone app where those players were put into a 4-4-2.

Who knows what Kenny will do but I trust him. Even if it backfires it won't be because we were too scared to play, like a Hodgson team.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44032.msg1277690#msg1277690 date=1296783021]
This is just a quick post, but when I saw the formation the other night, and one a few weeks ago, I thought "you fucking idiot", you're just like Rafa, being meddlesome for the sake of it, over complicating things, but it worked both times. You can see that, despite looking at the opposition and working out how to nullify their threat, he also knows that we have a game plan. Rather than sending us out there and saying, "stop them" he's saying, play your game, but this is how we'll line up.

I'm loving this so far. I think we might get done by Chelsea, but fuck it, this is a step, not a stride.
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It's Kenny you're thinking 'a fucking idiot'.

Oh right sorry..long live the king !

So if he lost the match, Kenny's an old fart who's past his glory days ?
If he won, he's a legend ?

Whatever happened to unconditional love and respect ?
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44032.msg1277690#msg1277690 date=1296783021]
This is just a quick post, but when I saw the formation the other night, and one a few weeks ago, I thought "you fucking idiot", you're just like Rafa, being meddlesome for the sake of it, over complicating things, but it worked both times. You can see that, despite looking at the opposition and working out how to nullify their threat, he also knows that we have a game plan. Rather than sending us out there and saying, "stop them" he's saying, play your game, but this is how we'll line up.

I'm loving this so far. I think we might get done by Chelsea, but fuck it, this is a step, not a stride.
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It's Kenny you're thinking 'a fucking idiot'.

Oh right sorry..long live the king !

So if he lost the match, Kenny's an old fart who's past his glory days ?
If he won, he's a legend ?

Whatever happened to unconditional love and respect ?
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He has that, don't be a numpty, but it's fair to look at lineups as off the wall as the one against Stoke and question it. If Rafa or Hodge had played that formation, most would have been up in arms. As it was, we still played some good football and we basically stopped their game entirely (until the last 10mins).

My point was, Rafa probably would have played that team with his prerogative being to stop the opposition, we still managed to play our game despite the changes and the unfamiliarity, so you can see where the training is starting to do it's job, pass and move is starting to take shape.

How many times did we look like strangers in Rafa's teams?
 
I liked the Stoke formation. This is what I wrote before the game:

Definitely a 3-5-1-1
We're gonna keep it tight in the middle. Win the aerial battles with 3 central defenders. Attack as a unit. I like the idea. Dunno if it'll work. Question is who's gonna score?

However it'll be too defensive for the Chelsea game. We have to be stronger in attack.
This is the formation I'd like to see:

Reina

Kelly Skrtel Agger Johnson

Lucas

Gerrard Meireles Aurelio

Suarez
Kuyt

Basically the same team that played against Stoke but without the Greek.
Carra isn't ready to start. Wouldn't be surprised if Poulsen started.
 
I agree Modo, more or less anyway (not sure about Aurelio wide, but anyway), I wasn't advocating the formation for good, just saying that it didn't really effect the way we played, much.
 
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I agree Modo, more or less anyway (not sure about Aurelio wide, but anyway), I wasn't advocating the formation for good, just saying that it didn't really effect the way we played, much.
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I know you weren't and I don't think that formation will be a one-off under Dalglish.
Reason I picked Aurelio is because he's a balanced player IMO. Good at defending and attacking. The natural choice would be to have Maxi but this is an away game and we really need to hold on to the ball.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44032.msg1277753#msg1277753 date=1296807578]
I agree Modo, more or less anyway (not sure about Aurelio wide, but anyway), I wasn't advocating the formation for good, just saying that it didn't really effect the way we played, much.
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I know you weren't and I don't think that formation will be a one-off under Dalglish.
Reason I picked Aurelio is because he's a balanced player IMO. Good at defending and attacking. The natural choice would be to have Maxi but this is an away game and we really need to hold on to the ball.
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And he's gash away from home anyway...
 
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=44032.msg1277759#msg1277759 date=1296808071]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44032.msg1277753#msg1277753 date=1296807578]
I agree Modo, more or less anyway (not sure about Aurelio wide, but anyway), I wasn't advocating the formation for good, just saying that it didn't really effect the way we played, much.
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I know you weren't and I don't think that formation will be a one-off under Dalglish.
Reason I picked Aurelio is because he's a balanced player IMO. Good at defending and attacking. The natural choice would be to have Maxi but this is an away game and we really need to hold on to the ball.
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And he's gash away from home anyway...
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true
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44032.msg1277748#msg1277748 date=1296807372]
I liked the Stoke formation. This is what I wrote before the game:

Definitely a 3-5-1-1
We're gonna keep it tight in the middle. Win the aerial battles with 3 central defenders. Attack as a unit. I like the idea. Dunno if it'll work. Question is who's gonna score?

However it'll be too defensive for the Chelsea game. We have to be stronger in attack.
This is the formation I'd like to see:

Reina

Kelly Skrtel Agger Johnson

Lucas

Gerrard Meireles Aurelio

Suarez
Kuyt

Basically the same team that played against Stoke but without the Greek.
Carra isn't ready to start. Wouldn't be surprised if Poulsen started.
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The tactics will be totally different against Chelsea. We need to keep it tight at the back while being able to hit them in force on counter. Here's my idea for a lineup:

------------Pepe------------
Kelly-Skrtel-Agger-Magic
-----Lucas----Aurelio-----
Gerrard---Ming---Suarez
------------Kuyt------------
 
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=44032.msg1277759#msg1277759 date=1296808071]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44032.msg1277753#msg1277753 date=1296807578]
I agree Modo, more or less anyway (not sure about Aurelio wide, but anyway), I wasn't advocating the formation for good, just saying that it didn't really effect the way we played, much.
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I know you weren't and I don't think that formation will be a one-off under Dalglish.
Reason I picked Aurelio is because he's a balanced player IMO. Good at defending and attacking. The natural choice would be to have Maxi but this is an away game and we really need to hold on to the ball.
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And he's gash away from home anyway...
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with regards to maxi, from a tactical point of view I always thought it best to play a pacy winger away from home (young, lennon) soak up pressure then have these players hit teams on the break and at home having players with the vision and technical ability to play intricate passes and make intelligent runs in tight areas (maxi, garcia).
 
as for the time on sunday I think it will be the same personnel but suarez replace the greek

------------Pepe------------
Kelly-Skrtel-Agger-Magic
-----Lucas----Aurelio-----
Gerrard---Ming---Suarez
------------Kuyt------------

kenny may also change poulsen for aurelio
 
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Well cut and pasted, mate. 😉
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44032.msg1277775#msg1277775 date=1296809013]
as for the time on sunday I think it will be the same personnel but suarez replace the greek

------------Pepe------------
Kelly-Skrtel-Agger-Magic
-----Lucas----Aurelio-----
Gerrard---Ming---Suarez
------------Kuyt------------

kenny may also change poulsen for aurelio
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If we're playing that formation I'd rather have Poulsen than Aurelio.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=44032.msg1277753#msg1277753 date=1296807578]
I agree Modo, more or less anyway (not sure about Aurelio wide, but anyway), I wasn't advocating the formation for good, just saying that it didn't really effect the way we played, much.
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Actually, I thought the formation was one of the real reasons that we played so well. I thought its effect was decisive - and positively so.

There were two very imporant factors IMO: one was the formation gave us a real presence up front because Kuyt constantly kept their defense on edge with his continuous hassling. Factor two was that the formation gave our best player the freedom to go anywhere and do anything. He looked the best he's been (in a league match) for some time and even gave us a reminder of his shooting prowess near the end.

The unexpected consequences were the very positive performances of Lucas and the Greek. I think without them stepping up we get only a point. Instead we get three - and convincingly so.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44032.msg1277775#msg1277775 date=1296809013]

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Well cut and pasted, mate. 😉
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you pretty much said what I was going to say word for word I should have said 'agreed' and left it at that 😉
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44032.msg1277775#msg1277775 date=1296809013]
as for the time on sunday I think it will be the same personnel but suarez replace the greek

------------Pepe------------
Kelly-Skrtel-Agger-Magic
-----Lucas----Aurelio-----
Gerrard---Ming---Suarez
------------Kuyt------------

kenny may also change poulsen for aurelio
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If we're playing that formation I'd rather have Poulsen than Aurelio.
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aurelio can tackle
aurelio takes great set pieces
aurelio has a better range of passing

poulsen is probably more solid but aurelio will give you more.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44032.msg1277775#msg1277775 date=1296809013]
as for the time on sunday I think it will be the same personnel but suarez replace the greek

------------Pepe------------
Kelly-Skrtel-Agger-Magic
-----Lucas----Aurelio-----
Gerrard---Ming---Suarez
------------Kuyt------------

kenny may also change poulsen for aurelio
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If we're playing that formation I'd rather have Poulsen than Aurelio.
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I wouldn't. Aurelio is more than capable of shielding the defense but his passing ability would also be very useful when starting counter attacks. He'd also be able to cover for Johnson and allow him to get forward more often.
 
I think Kenny explained he put this formation to stop Stoke playing their game and that would allow us to play ours. It's hard to disagree with that as it's what happened
 
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=44032.msg1277781#msg1277781 date=1296809206]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44032.msg1277775#msg1277775 date=1296809013]
as for the time on sunday I think it will be the same personnel but suarez replace the greek

------------Pepe------------
Kelly-Skrtel-Agger-Magic
-----Lucas----Aurelio-----
Gerrard---Ming---Suarez
------------Kuyt------------

kenny may also change poulsen for aurelio
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If we're playing that formation I'd rather have Poulsen than Aurelio.
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I wouldn't. Aurelio is more than capable of shielding the defense but his passing ability would also be very useful when starting counter attacks. He'd also be able to cover for Johnson and allow him to get forward more often.
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*the neil and Akakabooto tag team*

*slaps Akakabooto's hand*

*Akakabooto jumps in the ring*
 
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*the neil and Akakabooto tag team*

*slaps Akakabooto's hand*

*Akakabooto jumps in the ring*
[/quote]

*Akakabooto is wondering if there's some sexual agenda involved here*
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44032.msg1277799#msg1277799 date=1296809671]

*the neil and Akakabooto tag team*

*slaps Akakabooto's hand*

*Akakabooto jumps in the ring*
[/quote]

*Akakabooto is wondering if there's some sexual agenda involved here*
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😱
 
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[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=44032.msg1277802#msg1277802 date=1296809795]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=44032.msg1277799#msg1277799 date=1296809671]

*the neil and Akakabooto tag team*

*slaps Akakabooto's hand*

*Akakabooto jumps in the ring*
[/quote]

*Akakabooto is wondering if there's some sexual agenda involved here*
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😱
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You mean there's not?

*zips*
*leaves thread*
 
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