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Yep, let it go Ged.
Aston Villa manager Gerard Houllier to leave club by mutual consent due to health problems: Aston Vill... http://bit.ly/ifZfjV telegraph
[quote author=themn link=topic=45549.msg1340762#msg1340762 date=1306841160]
Aston Villa manager Gerard Houllier to leave club by mutual consent due to health problems: Aston Vill... http://bit.ly/ifZfjV telegraph
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What a nice man he is, it was good having him around again >🙁 I hope he finds something less stressful to do with himself.
I also hope villa give mcallister a go, I like him too.
Aston Villa manager Gerard Houllier to leave club by mutual consent due to health problems: Aston Vill... http://bit.ly/ifZfjV telegraph
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What a nice man he is, it was good having him around again >🙁 I hope he finds something less stressful to do with himself.
I also hope villa give mcallister a go, I like him too.
Yup, come and live back in Liverpool Ged, and blag yourself a seat in the directors box.
regards
regards
TalkSport were saying earlier that Villa have released a statement saying this report is premature. I hope it isn't, as I agree with the rest of you.
Yup FFF, he rubs me the wrong way.
Hated his style of football.
Hated his attitude towards some players (See Ginola).
Hated his post match interviews. Blamed everything from the pitch to the ref for our losses.
I was overjoyed when he got sacked.
Not ashamed of it at all.
Hated his style of football.
Hated his attitude towards some players (See Ginola).
Hated his post match interviews. Blamed everything from the pitch to the ref for our losses.
I was overjoyed when he got sacked.
Not ashamed of it at all.
He had his failings and he hung on at LFC at least a season too long, but that's an extremely ungenerous reaction to the man who brought us the Treble and did some very necessary hard work in his early years to clear out the Spice Boys and stop the drift we'd slipped into under Uncle Roy.
I agree JJ, I think Modo has been on something this last few weeks.
regards
regards
This was the original post:
I was replying to FF who wrote:
I'm not "trolling" here I'm just being honest and I don't think I'm alone.
That's my memory of Houllier.
It's not like I look back and think "ahhhh what great manager he was".
First thing that pops up in my mind is a picture of Fowler and McAteer almost crying at their respective press conferences because they were forced to leave.
Diouf , Diao, Cheyrou, Meijer, Ferri, Diomede .....ARGH!!!!!
Post match interviews, utter shambles.
Boring defensive/ counter attacking football even at home.
His treatment of certain players, already mentioned Fowler and McAteer, add Ginola.
Claiming that he won the European cup 2005.
Anelka vs Diouf...
His last 2-3 seasons has probably clouded my judgement.
Maybe the bad just outweighed the good in the end.
I was replying to FF who wrote:
I'm not "trolling" here I'm just being honest and I don't think I'm alone.
That's my memory of Houllier.
It's not like I look back and think "ahhhh what great manager he was".
First thing that pops up in my mind is a picture of Fowler and McAteer almost crying at their respective press conferences because they were forced to leave.
Diouf , Diao, Cheyrou, Meijer, Ferri, Diomede .....ARGH!!!!!
Post match interviews, utter shambles.
Boring defensive/ counter attacking football even at home.
His treatment of certain players, already mentioned Fowler and McAteer, add Ginola.
Claiming that he won the European cup 2005.
Anelka vs Diouf...
His last 2-3 seasons has probably clouded my judgement.
Maybe the bad just outweighed the good in the end.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341964#msg1341964 date=1307004973]
I'm not "trolling" here I'm just being honest and I don't think I'm alone.
That's my memory of Houllier.
It's not like I look back and think "ahhhh what great manager he was".
First thing that pops up in my mind is a picture of Fowler and McAteer almost crying at their respective press conferences because they were forced to leave.
Diouf , Diao, Cheyrou, Meijer, Ferri, Diomede .....ARGH!!!!!
Post match interviews, utter shambles.
Boring defensive/ counter attacking football even at home.
His treatment of certain players, already mentioned Fowler and McAteer, add Ginola.
Claiming that he won the European cup 2005.
Anelka vs Diouf...
His last 2-3 seasons has probably clouded my judgement.
Maybe the bad just outweighed the good in the end.
[/quote]
Fair enough on some of those, certainly in the second half of his time with us. Personally I tend to remember what he did when he first arrived and all the positive things he achieved with us, much like those who always defend Benitez tend to do when talking about him. Its a matter of perspective.
You can pick out any manager in the history of the game and focus on their bad signings. All of them make mistakes. Similarly most top managers have had occasions when they appear to have treated players 'badly'. Benitez certainly did so at times and so did Kenny back in the day. What you have to consider is whether those decisions actually turned out to be correct ones. In the examples you gave, yes they were both players who loved the club but ultimately they were past their best and we got decent fees for them
I'm not "trolling" here I'm just being honest and I don't think I'm alone.
That's my memory of Houllier.
It's not like I look back and think "ahhhh what great manager he was".
First thing that pops up in my mind is a picture of Fowler and McAteer almost crying at their respective press conferences because they were forced to leave.
Diouf , Diao, Cheyrou, Meijer, Ferri, Diomede .....ARGH!!!!!
Post match interviews, utter shambles.
Boring defensive/ counter attacking football even at home.
His treatment of certain players, already mentioned Fowler and McAteer, add Ginola.
Claiming that he won the European cup 2005.
Anelka vs Diouf...
His last 2-3 seasons has probably clouded my judgement.
Maybe the bad just outweighed the good in the end.
[/quote]
Fair enough on some of those, certainly in the second half of his time with us. Personally I tend to remember what he did when he first arrived and all the positive things he achieved with us, much like those who always defend Benitez tend to do when talking about him. Its a matter of perspective.
You can pick out any manager in the history of the game and focus on their bad signings. All of them make mistakes. Similarly most top managers have had occasions when they appear to have treated players 'badly'. Benitez certainly did so at times and so did Kenny back in the day. What you have to consider is whether those decisions actually turned out to be correct ones. In the examples you gave, yes they were both players who loved the club but ultimately they were past their best and we got decent fees for them
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45549.msg1341979#msg1341979 date=1307007957]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341964#msg1341964 date=1307004973]
I'm not "trolling" here I'm just being honest and I don't think I'm alone.
That's my memory of Houllier.
It's not like I look back and think "ahhhh what great manager he was".
First thing that pops up in my mind is a picture of Fowler and McAteer almost crying at their respective press conferences because they were forced to leave.
Diouf , Diao, Cheyrou, Meijer, Ferri, Diomede .....ARGH!!!!!
Post match interviews, utter shambles.
Boring defensive/ counter attacking football even at home.
His treatment of certain players, already mentioned Fowler and McAteer, add Ginola.
Claiming that he won the European cup 2005.
Anelka vs Diouf...
His last 2-3 seasons has probably clouded my judgement.
Maybe the bad just outweighed the good in the end.
[/quote]
Fair enough on some of those, certainly in the second half of his time with us. Personally I tend to remember what he did when he first arrived and all the positive things he achieved with us, much like those who always defend Benitez tend to do when talking about him. Its a matter of perspective.
You can pick out any manager in the history of the game and focus on their bad signings. All of them make mistakes. Similarly most top managers have had occasions when they appear to have treated players 'badly'. Benitez certainly did so at times and so did Kenny back in the day. What you have to consider is whether those decisions actually turned out to be correct ones. In the examples you gave, yes they were both players who loved the club but ultimately they were past their best and we got decent fees for them
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Like I said Rich, with Houllier the bad just outweighed the good.
With Benitez I'd say there's more good than bad, even though it's pretty close.
Dalglish, come on...
Like you said it's easy to look back and point out mistakes manager have done. But the difference between successful ones like Dalglish and not so successful ones like Houllier is that when you look back at Kenny's time we were still winning and that gives you some leeway.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341964#msg1341964 date=1307004973]
I'm not "trolling" here I'm just being honest and I don't think I'm alone.
That's my memory of Houllier.
It's not like I look back and think "ahhhh what great manager he was".
First thing that pops up in my mind is a picture of Fowler and McAteer almost crying at their respective press conferences because they were forced to leave.
Diouf , Diao, Cheyrou, Meijer, Ferri, Diomede .....ARGH!!!!!
Post match interviews, utter shambles.
Boring defensive/ counter attacking football even at home.
His treatment of certain players, already mentioned Fowler and McAteer, add Ginola.
Claiming that he won the European cup 2005.
Anelka vs Diouf...
His last 2-3 seasons has probably clouded my judgement.
Maybe the bad just outweighed the good in the end.
[/quote]
Fair enough on some of those, certainly in the second half of his time with us. Personally I tend to remember what he did when he first arrived and all the positive things he achieved with us, much like those who always defend Benitez tend to do when talking about him. Its a matter of perspective.
You can pick out any manager in the history of the game and focus on their bad signings. All of them make mistakes. Similarly most top managers have had occasions when they appear to have treated players 'badly'. Benitez certainly did so at times and so did Kenny back in the day. What you have to consider is whether those decisions actually turned out to be correct ones. In the examples you gave, yes they were both players who loved the club but ultimately they were past their best and we got decent fees for them
[/quote]
Like I said Rich, with Houllier the bad just outweighed the good.
With Benitez I'd say there's more good than bad, even though it's pretty close.
Dalglish, come on...
Like you said it's easy to look back and point out mistakes manager have done. But the difference between successful ones like Dalglish and not so successful ones like Houllier is that when you look back at Kenny's time we were still winning and that gives you some leeway.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341981#msg1341981 date=1307009223]
Like I said Rich, with Houllier the bad just outweighed the good.
With Benitez I'd say there's more good than bad, even though it's pretty close.
Dalglish, come on...
Like you said it's easy to look back and point out mistakes manager have done. But the difference between successful ones like Dalglish and not so successful ones like Houllier is that when you look back at Kenny's time we were still winning and that gives you some leeway.
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I think in principle we are certainly in agreement mate. Where we differ is on whether Houllier should be considered as successful overall or not. I would argue that he was and it would appear that you would argue that he was not. That's fair enough. As you say, its pretty close with both him and Benitez.
Like I said Rich, with Houllier the bad just outweighed the good.
With Benitez I'd say there's more good than bad, even though it's pretty close.
Dalglish, come on...
Like you said it's easy to look back and point out mistakes manager have done. But the difference between successful ones like Dalglish and not so successful ones like Houllier is that when you look back at Kenny's time we were still winning and that gives you some leeway.
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I think in principle we are certainly in agreement mate. Where we differ is on whether Houllier should be considered as successful overall or not. I would argue that he was and it would appear that you would argue that he was not. That's fair enough. As you say, its pretty close with both him and Benitez.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45549.msg1341984#msg1341984 date=1307009689]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341981#msg1341981 date=1307009223]
Like I said Rich, with Houllier the bad just outweighed the good.
With Benitez I'd say there's more good than bad, even though it's pretty close.
Dalglish, come on...
Like you said it's easy to look back and point out mistakes manager have done. But the difference between successful ones like Dalglish and not so successful ones like Houllier is that when you look back at Kenny's time we were still winning and that gives you some leeway.
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I think in principle we are certainly in agreement mate. Where we differ is on whether Houllier should be considered as successful overall or not. I would argue that he was and it would appear that you would argue that he was not. That's fair enough. As you say, its pretty close with both him and Benitez.
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True.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341981#msg1341981 date=1307009223]
Like I said Rich, with Houllier the bad just outweighed the good.
With Benitez I'd say there's more good than bad, even though it's pretty close.
Dalglish, come on...
Like you said it's easy to look back and point out mistakes manager have done. But the difference between successful ones like Dalglish and not so successful ones like Houllier is that when you look back at Kenny's time we were still winning and that gives you some leeway.
[/quote]
I think in principle we are certainly in agreement mate. Where we differ is on whether Houllier should be considered as successful overall or not. I would argue that he was and it would appear that you would argue that he was not. That's fair enough. As you say, its pretty close with both him and Benitez.
[/quote]
True.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341761#msg1341761 date=1306964630]
Yup FFF, he rubs me the wrong way.
Hated his style of football.
Hated his attitude towards some players (See Ginola).
Hated his post match interviews. Blamed everything from the pitch to the ref for our losses.
I was overjoyed when he got sacked.
Not ashamed of it at all.
[/quote]
I must admit that I agree with a lot of this. I respect him and like him because I believe he loved the club and he put everything he had into it, but at lot of his actions I didn't agree with. In particular the way he (and his staff) left the youth system was disgraceful.
He did a lot for the club, converted us into a more modern way of thinking however was one of the ones who wanted him sacked a lot earlier and I stand by my thoughts at the time.
Yup FFF, he rubs me the wrong way.
Hated his style of football.
Hated his attitude towards some players (See Ginola).
Hated his post match interviews. Blamed everything from the pitch to the ref for our losses.
I was overjoyed when he got sacked.
Not ashamed of it at all.
[/quote]
I must admit that I agree with a lot of this. I respect him and like him because I believe he loved the club and he put everything he had into it, but at lot of his actions I didn't agree with. In particular the way he (and his staff) left the youth system was disgraceful.
He did a lot for the club, converted us into a more modern way of thinking however was one of the ones who wanted him sacked a lot earlier and I stand by my thoughts at the time.
Oh it was certainly time for him to go. In hindsight it would have been best had he gone in the summer of 2002 even but even at the time I think a growing number were calling for him to leave a year before he actually did.
Good point about the youth team. Not sure quite what went on there but i do know that we did not have many young players coming through or even close to coming through for a long time so there must've been some kind of problem.
Good point about the youth team. Not sure quite what went on there but i do know that we did not have many young players coming through or even close to coming through for a long time so there must've been some kind of problem.
[quote author=refugee link=topic=45549.msg1342028#msg1342028 date=1307013574]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341761#msg1341761 date=1306964630]
Yup FFF, he rubs me the wrong way.
Hated his style of football.
Hated his attitude towards some players (See Ginola).
Hated his post match interviews. Blamed everything from the pitch to the ref for our losses.
I was overjoyed when he got sacked.
Not ashamed of it at all.
[/quote]
I must admit that I agree with a lot of this. I respect him and like him because I believe he loved the club and he put everything he had into it, but at lot of his actions I didn't agree with. In particular the way he (and his staff) left the youth system was disgraceful.
He did a lot for the club, converted us into a more modern way of thinking however was one of the ones who wanted him sacked a lot earlier and I stand by my thoughts at the time.
[/quote]
Forgot about the youth team, there's another thing he messed up.
Didn't the reserves during those days consist of 23-27 year old's who'd fallen out with Houllier.
Diomede, Biscan etc.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1341761#msg1341761 date=1306964630]
Yup FFF, he rubs me the wrong way.
Hated his style of football.
Hated his attitude towards some players (See Ginola).
Hated his post match interviews. Blamed everything from the pitch to the ref for our losses.
I was overjoyed when he got sacked.
Not ashamed of it at all.
[/quote]
I must admit that I agree with a lot of this. I respect him and like him because I believe he loved the club and he put everything he had into it, but at lot of his actions I didn't agree with. In particular the way he (and his staff) left the youth system was disgraceful.
He did a lot for the club, converted us into a more modern way of thinking however was one of the ones who wanted him sacked a lot earlier and I stand by my thoughts at the time.
[/quote]
Forgot about the youth team, there's another thing he messed up.
Didn't the reserves during those days consist of 23-27 year old's who'd fallen out with Houllier.
Diomede, Biscan etc.
I loved Houllier as a man and as a manager. I thought he was so close to getting it right but that last year was utter madness.
That said i think of the good times, and cant possible imagine how anyone could deny his successes.
He took over the spice boys and turned them into one of the best teams we have had. Maybe he wasnt good enough to win the league and maybe he should have left a year earlier, but this is the man who won us FIVE trophies in a year.
Who had us ranked as the number one team in Europe after failing to be there since the early 80's.
Who signed Hyppia, Finnan, Riise, Henchoz, Hamann, Smicer, McAllister.
Who made Steven Gerrard, Danny Murphy, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher first team regulars.
Who boast the record of:
Wins 6
Draws 4
Loses 4
Against the Mancs.
Who presided over wins over Roma, Barcelona, Porto on the way to winning the Uefa cup.
Who beat Manchester United in a cup final.
God the decade preceeding his arrival was shit. Maybe he couldnt take us the extra step, but he built a new Liverpool out of the shambles we had become. He did an amazing job.
That said i think of the good times, and cant possible imagine how anyone could deny his successes.
He took over the spice boys and turned them into one of the best teams we have had. Maybe he wasnt good enough to win the league and maybe he should have left a year earlier, but this is the man who won us FIVE trophies in a year.
Who had us ranked as the number one team in Europe after failing to be there since the early 80's.
Who signed Hyppia, Finnan, Riise, Henchoz, Hamann, Smicer, McAllister.
Who made Steven Gerrard, Danny Murphy, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher first team regulars.
Who boast the record of:
Wins 6
Draws 4
Loses 4
Against the Mancs.
Who presided over wins over Roma, Barcelona, Porto on the way to winning the Uefa cup.
Who beat Manchester United in a cup final.
God the decade preceeding his arrival was shit. Maybe he couldnt take us the extra step, but he built a new Liverpool out of the shambles we had become. He did an amazing job.
Doing better than Evans isn't much of a feat and despite reading your post which was very well written I still can't get over the fact that we played shit football during Houllier's tenure.
Sure we beat Man U a couple of times, but does it matter? Didn't they keep winning the league?
Didn't we often get dominated by them only to win because of a Gary Neville handball in the box and set pieces from Danny Murphy.
Weren't we outplayed in the FA cup final? We should have been a goal down early in the game (ref didn't see Henchoz handball) and possibly a man down.
When Benitez came along I really started to see how the team should be playing and beating teams.
Holding Barca to a bore draw at the Bernabeu and then winning at home because of a McAllister penalty is good.
But beating Madrid and Barca in their resp home grounds and also winning 4-0 at home against RM that's something special.
Sure we beat Man U a couple of times, but does it matter? Didn't they keep winning the league?
Didn't we often get dominated by them only to win because of a Gary Neville handball in the box and set pieces from Danny Murphy.
Weren't we outplayed in the FA cup final? We should have been a goal down early in the game (ref didn't see Henchoz handball) and possibly a man down.
When Benitez came along I really started to see how the team should be playing and beating teams.
Holding Barca to a bore draw at the Bernabeu and then winning at home because of a McAllister penalty is good.
But beating Madrid and Barca in their resp home grounds and also winning 4-0 at home against RM that's something special.
Concentrating on what GH got wrong (and there was a fair amount in that category by the end) is as one-eyed as its opposite would be. His mistakes deserve criticism, but his successes deserve better - a lot better - than he's been getting from Modo in this thread.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=45549.msg1342042#msg1342042 date=1307016089]
Doing better than Evans isn't much of a feat and despite reading your post which was very well written I still can't get over the fact that the we played shit football during those Houllier's tenure.
Sure we beat Man U a couple of times, but does it matter? Didn't they keep winning the league?
Didn't we often get dominated by them only to win because of a Gary Neville handball in the box and set pieces from Danny Murphy.
Weren't we outplayed in the FA cup final? We should have been a goal down early in the game (ref didn't see Henchoz handball) and possibly a man down.
Before Benitez came along I really started to see how the team should be playing and beating teams.
Holding Barca to a bore draw at the Bernabeu and then winning at home because of McAllister penalty is good.
But beating Madrid and Barca in their resp home grounds and also winning 4-0 at home against RM that's something special.
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You make it sound like every game was a 1-0 or a 1-1 Modo.
Liverpool 4 - 1 Newcastle
Forest 1 - 5 Liverpool
Liverpool 7 - 1 Southampton
Scored 83 goals in all comps
Liverpool 4 - 0 Derby
Aston villa 1 - 3 Liverpool
Arsenal 0 - 4 Liverpool
Liverpool 3 - 0 Aston Villa
Liverpool 3 - 2 Everton
Spurs 1 - 3 Liverpool
Newcastle 0 - 3 Liverpool
Charlton 0 - 4 Liverpool
Liverpool 8 - 0 Stoke
Fulham 0 - 3 Liverpool
Scored 109 goals in all comps including more than one in a game 36 times.
Won 3 trophies
Liverpool 4 - 1 Leicester
Manchester United 1 - 3 Liverpool
Liverpool 4 - 0 Leeds
Ipswich 0 - 6 Liverpool
Newcastle 0 - 3 Liverpool
Blackburn 3 - 4 Liverpool
Liverpool 5 - 0 Ipswich
Scored 99 goals in all comps.
Won 2 trophies
Southampton 0 - 3 Liverpool
City 0 - 3 Liverpool
Liverpool 3 - 0 West ham
Liverpool 3 - 2 Spurs
Leeds 0 - 3 Liverpool
Liverpool 6 - 0 West Brom
Scored 92 goals in all comps
Won 1 trophy.
Doing better than Evans isn't much of a feat and despite reading your post which was very well written I still can't get over the fact that the we played shit football during those Houllier's tenure.
Sure we beat Man U a couple of times, but does it matter? Didn't they keep winning the league?
Didn't we often get dominated by them only to win because of a Gary Neville handball in the box and set pieces from Danny Murphy.
Weren't we outplayed in the FA cup final? We should have been a goal down early in the game (ref didn't see Henchoz handball) and possibly a man down.
Before Benitez came along I really started to see how the team should be playing and beating teams.
Holding Barca to a bore draw at the Bernabeu and then winning at home because of McAllister penalty is good.
But beating Madrid and Barca in their resp home grounds and also winning 4-0 at home against RM that's something special.
[/quote]
You make it sound like every game was a 1-0 or a 1-1 Modo.
Liverpool 4 - 1 Newcastle
Forest 1 - 5 Liverpool
Liverpool 7 - 1 Southampton
Scored 83 goals in all comps
Liverpool 4 - 0 Derby
Aston villa 1 - 3 Liverpool
Arsenal 0 - 4 Liverpool
Liverpool 3 - 0 Aston Villa
Liverpool 3 - 2 Everton
Spurs 1 - 3 Liverpool
Newcastle 0 - 3 Liverpool
Charlton 0 - 4 Liverpool
Liverpool 8 - 0 Stoke
Fulham 0 - 3 Liverpool
Scored 109 goals in all comps including more than one in a game 36 times.
Won 3 trophies
Liverpool 4 - 1 Leicester
Manchester United 1 - 3 Liverpool
Liverpool 4 - 0 Leeds
Ipswich 0 - 6 Liverpool
Newcastle 0 - 3 Liverpool
Blackburn 3 - 4 Liverpool
Liverpool 5 - 0 Ipswich
Scored 99 goals in all comps.
Won 2 trophies
Southampton 0 - 3 Liverpool
City 0 - 3 Liverpool
Liverpool 3 - 0 West ham
Liverpool 3 - 2 Spurs
Leeds 0 - 3 Liverpool
Liverpool 6 - 0 West Brom
Scored 92 goals in all comps
Won 1 trophy.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45549.msg1342035#msg1342035 date=1307014935]
I loved Houllier as a man and as a manager. I thought he was so close to getting it right but that last year was utter madness.
That said i think of the good times, and cant possible imagine how anyone could deny his successes.
He took over the spice boys and turned them into one of the best teams we have had. Maybe he wasnt good enough to win the league and maybe he should have left a year earlier, but this is the man who won us FIVE trophies in a year.
Who had us ranked as the number one team in Europe after failing to be there since the early 80's.
Who signed Hyppia, Finnan, Riise, Henchoz, Hamann, Smicer, McAllister.
Who made Steven Gerrard, Danny Murphy, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher first team regulars.
Who boast the record of:
Wins 6
Draws 4
Loses 4
Against the Mancs.
Who presided over wins over Roma, Barcelona, Porto on the way to winning the Uefa cup.
Who beat Manchester United in a cup final.
God the decade preceeding his arrival was shit. Maybe he couldnt take us the extra step, but he built a new Liverpool out of the shambles we had become. He did an amazing job.
[/quote]
Getting us ranked number1 in Europe was Rafa's accomplishment, not Gerard's.
I loved Houllier as a man and as a manager. I thought he was so close to getting it right but that last year was utter madness.
That said i think of the good times, and cant possible imagine how anyone could deny his successes.
He took over the spice boys and turned them into one of the best teams we have had. Maybe he wasnt good enough to win the league and maybe he should have left a year earlier, but this is the man who won us FIVE trophies in a year.
Who had us ranked as the number one team in Europe after failing to be there since the early 80's.
Who signed Hyppia, Finnan, Riise, Henchoz, Hamann, Smicer, McAllister.
Who made Steven Gerrard, Danny Murphy, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher first team regulars.
Who boast the record of:
Wins 6
Draws 4
Loses 4
Against the Mancs.
Who presided over wins over Roma, Barcelona, Porto on the way to winning the Uefa cup.
Who beat Manchester United in a cup final.
God the decade preceeding his arrival was shit. Maybe he couldnt take us the extra step, but he built a new Liverpool out of the shambles we had become. He did an amazing job.
[/quote]
Getting us ranked number1 in Europe was Rafa's accomplishment, not Gerard's.
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=45549.msg1342060#msg1342060 date=1307017842]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45549.msg1342035#msg1342035 date=1307014935]
I loved Houllier as a man and as a manager. I thought he was so close to getting it right but that last year was utter madness.
That said i think of the good times, and cant possible imagine how anyone could deny his successes.
He took over the spice boys and turned them into one of the best teams we have had. Maybe he wasnt good enough to win the league and maybe he should have left a year earlier, but this is the man who won us FIVE trophies in a year.
Who had us ranked as the number one team in Europe after failing to be there since the early 80's.
Who signed Hyppia, Finnan, Riise, Henchoz, Hamann, Smicer, McAllister.
Who made Steven Gerrard, Danny Murphy, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher first team regulars.
Who boast the record of:
Wins 6
Draws 4
Loses 4
Against the Mancs.
Who presided over wins over Roma, Barcelona, Porto on the way to winning the Uefa cup.
Who beat Manchester United in a cup final.
God the decade preceeding his arrival was shit. Maybe he couldnt take us the extra step, but he built a new Liverpool out of the shambles we had become. He did an amazing job.
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Getting us ranked number1 in Europe was Rafa's accomplishment, not Gerard's.
[/quote]Oh right. I know we were under Rafa, but i thought we were after the Leverkusen game thanks to winning the Uefa the year before. Obviously not then.
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I loved Houllier as a man and as a manager. I thought he was so close to getting it right but that last year was utter madness.
That said i think of the good times, and cant possible imagine how anyone could deny his successes.
He took over the spice boys and turned them into one of the best teams we have had. Maybe he wasnt good enough to win the league and maybe he should have left a year earlier, but this is the man who won us FIVE trophies in a year.
Who had us ranked as the number one team in Europe after failing to be there since the early 80's.
Who signed Hyppia, Finnan, Riise, Henchoz, Hamann, Smicer, McAllister.
Who made Steven Gerrard, Danny Murphy, Michael Owen and Jamie Carragher first team regulars.
Who boast the record of:
Wins 6
Draws 4
Loses 4
Against the Mancs.
Who presided over wins over Roma, Barcelona, Porto on the way to winning the Uefa cup.
Who beat Manchester United in a cup final.
God the decade preceeding his arrival was shit. Maybe he couldnt take us the extra step, but he built a new Liverpool out of the shambles we had become. He did an amazing job.
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Getting us ranked number1 in Europe was Rafa's accomplishment, not Gerard's.
[/quote]Oh right. I know we were under Rafa, but i thought we were after the Leverkusen game thanks to winning the Uefa the year before. Obviously not then.
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