Of all the things going on in politics, this is what annoys you?
I’m sure once Nigel and his mates get in, they will fix it.
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I’m sure once Nigel and his mates get in, they will fix it.
It’s also only open to Indian business sending an Indian employee to the UK on a temporary basis.
If I listed everything that annoys me in politics, geopolitics.
I'd prob need my own forum.
Yup, I'm a massive fan or Farage and the right wingers in the UK and of course abroad.
Huge fan of Trump, Adf, Le Pen et al.
People with my skin colour, religious belief and political views would do incredibly well.
It’s all BS. Stop caring a while ago.
All this is pointless posturing while the job market has had the biggest decline since long as I can remember and all big greedy corps betting on AI and without any sign of recovery.
Anyway, actually thought you were Trump fan till last month…
*sigh*
Everything from lunatic leftie, full Trump fan, Jihadi to SJW.
Maybe it's just easy to label someone who opposes your personal view.
Maybe I'm a retard.
I was joking…
Never had you down as leftie though and no wasn’t opposing your view this time.
Personally I’m just bored divisive politics now.
Curious to see how Reform will run all these councils though and that’s not me labelling anyone.
Just to put things into perspective about this whole double tax agreement… UK already had this already with 17 other countries including the US, the European Union, South Korea, Japan, and Norway I believe. Not sure why getting so worked up especially over this deal with India now, best to follow the current narrative.
It’s because the usual mouthpieces are screaming about immigration.
Double Contributions Convention (DCC)
Alongside the FTA, the UK and India have agreed to negotiate a reciprocal DCC. The DCC will support business and trade by ensuring that employees moving between the UK and India, and their employers, will only be liable to pay social security contributions in one country at a time. The DCC will also ensure that employees temporarily working in the other country for up to 3 years will continue paying social security contributions in their home country, preventing the fragmentation of their social security record.
This agreement will operate on similar principles to the UK's other Social Security Agreements (SSA) with the EU and countries such as Switzerland, Norway, Canada, Japan, Chile and South Korea. As a more limited kind of SSA, the DCC will not affect individuals' rights to access benefits from the country in which they pay social security contributions or the requirement to pay the UK immigration health surcharge. The DCC will come into force in line with the wider trade deal
Alongside the FTA, the UK and India have agreed to negotiate a reciprocal DCC. The DCC will support business and trade by ensuring that employees moving between the UK and India, and their employers, will only be liable to pay social security contributions in one country at a time. The DCC will also ensure that employees temporarily working in the other country for up to 3 years will continue paying social security contributions in their home country, preventing the fragmentation of their social security record.
This agreement will operate on similar principles to the UK's other Social Security Agreements (SSA) with the EU and countries such as Switzerland, Norway, Canada, Japan, Chile and South Korea. As a more limited kind of SSA, the DCC will not affect individuals' rights to access benefits from the country in which they pay social security contributions or the requirement to pay the UK immigration health surcharge. The DCC will come into force in line with the wider trade deal
I'm not bored of it, I hate it with a passion.
I'm hopeful - one day - I'll see politicians on both sides being able to work better with each, disagree respectfully and support valid legislation even if their party didn't propose it. Too much to ask for ... I know.
Was that his actual reply or did they edit it out?
No idea.
Initial reaction is not particularly well!
These are big Councils with big statutory spends which they won't really be able to cut, but even if they do it won't be until next year as budgets were passed in February.
What I suspect they will discover is that they really can't do a lot, they will leave Council officers to run services (which is what happens in a lot of upper tier authorities anyway) and they will throw in a few meaningless gimmicks to keep their supporters happy, like taking down flags, removing statues and plaques, cancelling events etc etc.
Next year when they have to pass a budget and potentially put tax up will be interesting.
watching Richard Tice at Hull on QT last night, there are no actual policies.it was rather obvious there is nothing in the log apart from be like DOGE in UK, create immigrant camps and moan about Indian trade deal (which the DTA bit Tories/Reform I think were previously supportive of)
I didn't see that, but I've seen elsewhere that they are relying on the line about auditing the books. The problem is that local Council budgets are pretty straightforward and very open so I doubt they'll find a lot of savings, apart from a few minor headline-grabbers.
As for the trade deals, trade deals with India and the USA are EXACTLY what these same people wanted (and rightly so, actually). I'm certainly no Labour supporter, but these are good deals.
The real shame is that the EU never agreed trade deals with the likes of India and the USA, otherwise we may not have had to leave in the first place.
It looks that way! My assumption is that there must be something that will improve for the UK as a result of this. Any idea? Haven't heard it yet
I would have expected that to be announced at the same time in an effort to drown out the fishing noise.
Tighter collaboration for defence and security giving access to £100 billion of projects to go to UK business, opening up young person working freedoms across Europe and opening up the e-passport controls to make it easier when going on holiday.
At the expense off allowing the bloody French to fish in the King's sov'rin waters!
Yep. It’s mad the gesturing over this when the only fish most of the mongs on this island eat is cod or haddock.
Fishing
- A new deal will keep the current status quo giving EU boats continued access to UK waters until 2038
- The 2020 Brexit deal, which saw the UK regain 25% EU fishing quotas, was due to run out next year
- The UK will continue to agree yearly quotas with the EU and Norway and issue licences to control who fishes in its waters
- A £360m "fishing and coastal growth fund" to invest in new technology and equipment
Farming exports
- In return for extending current fishing rules, the UK has secured a deal to reduce checks on food exports to the EU
- Officials will drop some routine border checks on animal and plant shipments to and from the EU
- The new sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) agreement means the UK can sell raw burgers and sausages back into the EU for the first time since Brexit
- Under the deal the UK will be expected to follow EU rules it does not write – overseen by the European Court of Justice. But it can break away if it keeps similar standards and avoids harming EU trade
Defence and security
- A formal UK-EU defence and security pact has been established
- UK and EU officials will meet every six months to talk about defence and foreign policy
- Both sides will coordinate on sanctions, share more information and develop a space-related security policy
- The government says the agreement "paves the way" for UK-based arms firms to access the Security Action for Europe (Safe) - a £150bn EU fund providing loans for defence projects
Youth experience scheme
- The UK and the EU have agreed to co-operate further on a "youth experience scheme" - but this will be subject to further negotiations
- The government says such a scheme "could see young people able to work and travel freely in Europe again" but would be "capped and time-limited"
- It says the idea would mirror existing schemes the UK has with countries like Australia and New Zealand, where there is an annual quota of visas allowing people between the ages of 18 and 35 to work in each other's countries for up to three years
- The UK is also negotiating to rejoin the Erasmus+ programme, which allows students to study or do an internship abroad
Passport e-gates
- British holidaymakers will be able to use e-gates at more European airports
- When Brexit ended freedom of movement, it changed the rules for people travelling to European countries. Now, British passport holders can't use "EU/EEA/CH" lanes at EU border crossings
- A new passport system will make it easier for UK pets to travel, ending the need for repeat vet certificates
Carbon tax
- The UK and EU will link their carbon markets to avoid taxes on carbon-intensive goods like steel and cement travelling between the UK and EU
- The government says it will save £800m in taxes and shield British steel from EU tariffs, thanks to a UK-only deal worth £25m a year
Seems largely positive. The right-wing press will do anything to trash this country.
All of those seem sensible.
It does doesn't it.
BBC reporting it would be almost twice as much as the india deal (9b v 5bn)
I want to like it, because I want to see improvement. You have to expect good things and bad things from any deal because there is always likely to be competing priorities.
However, this doesn't read like one big deal at all. It reads like a number of different issues that are still at different stages of completion.
The fishing access is obviously the big issue, it is something that the EU clearly wanted and the big card that the UK had to play.
It is essentially a continuation of the situation that is currently in place but is due to expire in 2026. The previous plan was to renegotiate every year. So the government has said that this can continue for 12 years.
The fishing industry hasn't exactly LOST anything in the short term. In fact, it has GAINED in the short term, along with other food producers, because this deal makes it easier to export, with less checks etc etc.
However, one may ask, is that enough in exchange for giving the concession for 12 years? Could the UK have asked for more for this? I genuinely am not sure. If it makes exporting easier and helps UK companies then I would probably fall on the side of yes, but the question would still remain.
The other aspects of this don't appear to be related.
The defence and security deal is obviously good, but the principles of that can't possibly have been a sticking point. That benefits both sides. The money side of it (access to EU funding) hasn't been agreed.
Similarly, the youth experience scheme is not agreed yet either. That is just an aspiration. Again, a good thing, but not part of this deal.
The e-passport gates removes an inconvenience, but again, it puts the decision on individual countries, who are not obliged to allow it, and there is no timescale. It's also not a done deal.
On a more positive note, the carbon and steel sounds positive to me.
I'm certainly not trashing it. I may not like the government very much, but given how much I detest Reform I'm certainly rooting for the government to do better, but I am not sure quite how great this is yet.
However, this doesn't read like one big deal at all. It reads like a number of different issues that are still at different stages of completion.
The fishing access is obviously the big issue, it is something that the EU clearly wanted and the big card that the UK had to play.
It is essentially a continuation of the situation that is currently in place but is due to expire in 2026. The previous plan was to renegotiate every year. So the government has said that this can continue for 12 years.
The fishing industry hasn't exactly LOST anything in the short term. In fact, it has GAINED in the short term, along with other food producers, because this deal makes it easier to export, with less checks etc etc.
However, one may ask, is that enough in exchange for giving the concession for 12 years? Could the UK have asked for more for this? I genuinely am not sure. If it makes exporting easier and helps UK companies then I would probably fall on the side of yes, but the question would still remain.
The other aspects of this don't appear to be related.
The defence and security deal is obviously good, but the principles of that can't possibly have been a sticking point. That benefits both sides. The money side of it (access to EU funding) hasn't been agreed.
Similarly, the youth experience scheme is not agreed yet either. That is just an aspiration. Again, a good thing, but not part of this deal.
The e-passport gates removes an inconvenience, but again, it puts the decision on individual countries, who are not obliged to allow it, and there is no timescale. It's also not a done deal.
On a more positive note, the carbon and steel sounds positive to me.
I'm certainly not trashing it. I may not like the government very much, but given how much I detest Reform I'm certainly rooting for the government to do better, but I am not sure quite how great this is yet.
Temporary accommodation for families burnt out of another shithole, Ballymena.
