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Has Borini got a future with us?

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*runs to the bus door to get a good seat*

*realises there's no one else there, so the running was pointless*

*scratches arse*

*takes a taxi instead*
 
[article=http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25751479?]Sunderland's Fabio Borini says despite predominantly being used out wide, he considers himself a centre-forward.

The 22-year-old has made 19 appearances for the Black Cats after joining on loan from Liverpool in August, although nine of those have come from the bench.

"Lately, I look like a utility player but personally, my role is to play in the centre, nearer the goal," Borini told BBC Newcastle.

"But it is the manager's choice to use me on the wing."

He added: "I'll keep trying to improve every game, even if I think it's not my position."

Then a striker, Borini moved to Anfield for £10.5m in 2012 having scored nine Serie A goals for Roma the previous season.

He has started Sunderland's last six matches after scoring a late equaliser having come on as a substitute in the League Cup win over Chelsea the game before.

During December's match with Cardiff, the Italy forward was taken to hospital after being taken ill at half-time.

He had been unwell prior to the game, but decided to play anyway.

"In that game, I had more chances to score than in any other time this season," Borini explained.

"Because I was sick beforehand, I was not running up and down the pitch as much as I would usually like to.

"So I was closer to the Cardiff area, meaning I could get more shots on goal. Unluckily for me their goalkeeper [David Marshall] was superb."[/article]

[article=http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/360665/Sunderland-striker-Fabio-Borini-will-leave-the-club-to-fight-for-his-place-at-Liverpool]Borini is determined to show he’s no Kop flop, despite being farmed-out loan after his first season on Merseyside was ruined by injury.

The Italian striker has been a hit on Wearside after putting in some impressive displays playing out of position wide left to help Gus Poyet’s team.

He earned cult status with the winner in October’s Wear-Tyne clash against Newcastle, one of the three times he’s found the net so far in 10 starts.

But despite enjoying life in the north east, the 22-year-old says he has unfinished business at Anfield.

“I’ll finish my season here and then after that I’ll go back to Liverpool because that’s my contract,” said the £10m striker.

“It would be nice to go back there as a Premier League player and to have shown them that even in a hard situation I can do well.

”I’ve achieved one of my objectives here at Sunderland of playing every week, but to play for big teams like Liverpool, you don’t just need to perform well.

“As a striker you need to score goals. You can perform well, but at the end of the season people count your goals.

“I needed to prove to myself first that I can play here because I’ve never had a long spell playing in England but now I’m getting a long run of games.

“The main aim is to stay up, we can’t think about going down. With my confidence on the rise, hopefully I can help us in that aim.”[/article]
 
I like Fabio. I think he will be a really good player.
I hope we keep him.
Aspas too.
Assaidi not so much.
 
3 goals in 19 games for Sunderland. There's no way he has a future here. We just need to hope he keeps improving so we can minimise our losses on him.
 
I've said it before, his touch is way too poor for him to be a prolific attacking player. And for all talk about his fantastic movement and work rate which bring these comparisons with Kuyt, I just don't see it. Kuyt didn't have the best of touches, but he had several other things to compensate. A phenomenal work rate, excellent footballing IQ, a cool head, and also a grit which allowed him to carry the ball and run with it down the wing, albeit slightly agriculturally.

I've not seen any of these in Borini - if anything, he seems awfully light on his feet whenever I've seen him play. If he doesn't have that 'physical' grit to compensate for his very ordinary touch, I can't see him being successful in England.
 
That said, he might fare better if we were played as an out and out 'striker' rather than as a wing-forward where everyone seems to be eager to shunt him out to. His striking instincts and finishing were his most advertised qualities, so maybe that's what managers need to try and exploit?
 
I've said it before, his touch is way too poor for him to be a prolific attacking player. And for all talk about his fantastic movement and work rate which bring these comparisons with Kuyt, I just don't see it. Kuyt didn't have the best of touches, but he had several other things to compensate. A phenomenal work rate, excellent footballing IQ, a cool head, and also a grit which allowed him to carry the ball and run with it down the wing, albeit slightly agriculturally.

I've not seen any of these in Borini - if anything, he seems awfully light on his feet whenever I've seen him play. If he doesn't have that 'physical' grit to compensate for his very ordinary touch, I can't see him being successful in England.


For me, he's a player who's significantly better in a good side than a bad one(Sunderland). I think he would be an ideal "Second striker" to play with a Sturridge/Suarez type if we revert to a two striker set.
 
I don't see it. In fact, I have marginally higher hopes for Aspas than Borini. He actually has a pretty good touch, and has shown signs of quite intelligent attacking play on fleeting occasions.

He's just so physically overawed by the PL, and so low on confidence because of that, that he looks like a fish out of water. If he can bulk up and put together a string of decent performances in the Cup games, then I see him as having more of a future here than Borini.
 
3 goals in 19 games for Sunderland. There's no way he has a future here. We just need to hope he keeps improving so we can minimise our losses on him.
Its 3 goals in 10 starts for one of the worst most uncreative dire teams in the league whilst being played as a wing forward.
Not that any of that means he will make it of course but the goal return itself isnt that bad when you scratch the surface.
I think he has excellent technique and looks a really good finisher.
I still have hope.
 
Borini is a good striker lacking confidence or at least he was at Liverpool. I don't see his future with us though. He'll have to improve in leaps and bounds but has time on his side.
 
He has good movement and his finishing & confidence seem to be improving. He's still young so I hope we keep him on our books and depending on how the rest of the season goes, potentially either look to send him out on loan again next season (multiple loans is hardly causing any issues for Lukaku) or bring him back as an option from the bench. I feel for his development another loan would be ideal, although Rodgers might want to get him back to our training ground and working with future team mates should he see his future with us.
 
I'm going to have to invest in a double decker at this rate!
So far you seem to be doing OK with a taxi ( with LTW in the driver's seat).

Peraonally I haven't watched him much playing for Sunderland, but judging by his fee games for us as well as hi games for the Italy U21 in the summer, I'm yet to be convinced.
 
From what I saw of him for the Eyetae U21s he looked really sharp and dangerous. I only saw one whole game and some snatches though.
 
The injuries last season really set him back in my opinion, and trying to fit into a team in transition was always difficult as well. I wish everyone was like a Sturridge or a Coutinho, who came into the team and immediately took off and made an impact, but the likes of Lucas and Henderson serve as reminders of younger people who needed more time to find their feet.

Borini scored 9 league goals in 20 starts for Roma in 2011/2012, when he was 20/21 - he was actually their 2nd highest scorer, with 3 goals behind Osvaldo, and one more than Totti, while starting several games fewer than either of these senior players. Nobody will mistake him for a graceful or silky smooth striker, but I like the determination he shows and his ball sense.

Here are the goals he scored in that 2011/2012 season. Note the lack of gracefulness, but also the number of times he scores pouncing on loose balls at the far post or hangs on the shoulder of the last man and times his run to meet the pass. Of course, I can't say he'll definitely repeat that feat here - he certainly hasn't so far for us; what I'm saying is this is a kid with a good head and football nous IMO, and we could benefit in the long run by having patience and faith in him.

 
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