Has Borini got a future with us?

[Spaghetti Legs]

Hes definately more talented than the players (Carroll, Adam, Downing) that i was alluding to.

The similaries are there though, average British player, signed off the back of 1 good half season/season and questionable attitude/mentality.

It was a funny reply, picking one of Kennys few decent signings and probably Rodgers worst to justify Kennys signings somehow?

Might of interpreted it wrong, none of that stuff should really come into it anyway, wasn't having a pop at Kenny by saying that, just would hate to see those types of mistakes made again.

 

[Oncy]

Ive always liked Adam Johnson.

Id trade Aspas for him but not Borini.
Fabio is GOING to make it.

 

[Ryan]

Arf. Or Enrique, or erm Luis Suarez. Notice everyone was quiet about Adam destroying United at the weekend? Same old same old..

Anyway, Johnson's a good player who made a big career move too early, it happens. He's got a lot of talent.

Jesus.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Arf. Or Enrique, or erm Luis Suarez. Notice everyone was quiet about Adam destroying United at the weekend? Same old same old..

Anyway, Johnson's a good player who made a big career move too early, it happens. He's got a lot of talent.

Wasn't there stories that he was a massive coke head at City and that's was ruined him?

 

[keniget]

I don't like Adam Johnson. He's got an annoying face.

 

[StevieM]

Johnson's clearly got talent - but was chatting to a couple of City fans I know and they're of the opinion that he's a lazy bastard.

Probably not one for us unless he's cheap.

 

[Ryan]

Some serious hyperbole going on in here.

First off, I don't mind Borini. He's got some decent attributes; directness, energetic, gets into good positions, and seems to have a decent attitude. On the flipside, his touch is largely poor, his close control very mediocre, and he doesn't seem to be able to play the number 9 role whatsoever. Certainly, not one side he's been at out of his last 5 have played him there consistently.

Let's cut to the chase though. Before Poyet came in, he wasn't getting a game for a side at the bottom of the league, who's best striker - Fletcher - was out injured. Even at the start of Poyet's reign, he had him benched until recently, and he isn't chosen to lead the attack now he's in the side. That role goes to Jozy '2 goals in 50 Premier League games as a striker' Altidore.

He shuffles up and down the left wing, acting as the foil to (the quite impressive I must say) Marcos Alonso, and the yin to Adam Johnson's yang on the other wing.

He's played 19 games in the league, and scored 1 goal from open play. One. To his credit, he takes a mean penalty, which as Daniel Sturridge can attest to - ain't a fucking gimme these days.

So, we've got a striker who - when he's chosen to start (50% of the time in case you're wondering) - is playing on the right wing, because successive managers at his bottom of the table club have chosen a lumbering impotent American over him, who has scored 1 goal from play in 19 league games.

Whether this is worth 2 threads and hundreds of 'Why did we let him go and Keep Aspas/Moses/Dundee/etc...' threads I'm not so sure.

 

[Oncy]

Some serious hyperbole going on in here.

First off, I don't mind Borini. He's got some decent attributes; directness, energetic, gets into good positions, and seems to have a decent attitude. On the flipside, his touch is largely poor, his close control very mediocre, and he doesn't seem to be able to play the number 9 role whatsoever. Certainly, not one side he's been at out of his last 5 have played him there consistently.

Let's cut to the chase though. Before Poyet came in, he wasn't getting a game for a side at the bottom of the league, who's best striker - Fletcher - was out injured. Even at the start of Poyet's reign, he had him benched until recently, and he isn't chosen to lead the attack now he's in the side. That role goes to Jozy '2 goals in 50 Premier League games as a striker' Altidore.

He shuffles up and down the left wing, acting as the foil to (the quite impressive I must say) Marcos Alonso, and the yin to Adam Johnson's yang on the other wing.

He's played 19 games in the league, and scored 1 goal from open play. One. To his credit, he takes a mean penalty, which as Daniel Sturridge can attest to - ain't a fucking gimme these days.

So, we've got a striker who - when he's chosen to start (50% of the time in case you're wondering) - is playing on the right wing, because successive managers at his bottom of the table club have chosen a lumbering impotent American over him, who has scored 1 goal from play in 19 league games.

Whether this is worth 2 threads and hundreds of 'Why did we let him go and Keep Aspas/Moses/Dundee/etc...' threads I'm not so sure.

That paragraph 'lets cut to the chase' is awful Ryan.
He was t getting a game until Poyet came in?
What when they were bottom of the table and Paolo Di Canio was in charge?
I could go over every line but its pointless as youve clearly seen enough to decide he isnt all that.
Hes 22 has played 90 first team games so far in his life 53 starts and has 22 goals.

I dunno at all if he will make it. But id like to find out before we sell him.

 

[Gary25]

I can't imagine Borini being the type to be content as 3rd or 4th choice so I'm not convinced he'll be at LFC next season.

Although I suppose if we make Champions League (please God we do) and Rodgers' makes it known to him that he still wants him in his squad, he might want to stick it out and fight for his place.

 

[Ryan]

That paragraph 'lets cut to the chase' is awful Ryan.
He was t getting a game until Poyet came in?
What when they were bottom of the table and Paolo Di Canio was in charge?
I could go over every line but its pointless as youve clearly seen enough to decide he isnt all that.
Hes 22 has played 90 first team games so far in his life 53 starts and has 22 goals.

I dunno at all if he will make it. But id like to find out before we sell him.

I'm the one being ludicrous?

Mate, your argument is based on his age, your opinion, and a collection of goal stats the half of which came from Italy. I don't give a fuck about what happens in Italy.

Let me give you some facts:

He has played for 3 teams in the Premier League; 2 of whom didn't want him, and the latest of which play him 50% of the time, on the wing 100% of the time.

He has played 36 Premier league games and scored 4 goals. So he's a 1 in 9 striker. And 2 of those 4 came from the penalty spot. And we've already got somebody in our team who's pretty good from there.

He did score 6 goals for Swansea in the Championship, butright now David Nugent is tearing the Championship apart so y'know.

He's barely first choice at Sunderland and he's scored 1 goal in 19 games for them from open play. It's a fairly safe bet to suggest that were he with us, not only would he be getting fuck all gametime, but he'd be scoring fuck all goals.

Now you may be right in that he could come good, as I said above - he does have some decent attributes, and he's certainly got age on his side, but your argument is based entirely on hope.

So don't be calling my argument "awful" mate.

 

[Ryan]

And while we're at it, the whole "he's only 22, I'd like to see him get a bit more games before I judge him, you've seen very little of him and made up your mind" schtick is fucking rich coming from you given your Raheem Sterling comments of the last 6 months.

 

[mark1975]

He didn't call your argument "awful" he called your "let's cut to the chase", typical self-cock-blowing comment "awful"

People might go head to head with you in a civil discussion, if weren't such a self absorbed dick about it. As it is, it's pretty pointless with all this obsessive, self posturing.

 

[keniget]

He is right really - I don't see much evidence for placing any kind of faith in Borini either. Apart from Borini playing on the right wing - he's always been on the left when I've seen him and Johnson on the right so he can cut inside. But that's a bit pedantic.

 

[Oncy]

I'm the one being ludicrous?

Mate, your argument is based on his age, your opinion, and a collection of goal stats the half of which came from Italy. I don't give a fuck about what happens in Italy.

Let me give you some facts:

He has played for 3 teams in the Premier League; 2 of whom didn't want him, and the latest of which play him 50% of the time, on the wing 100% of the time.

He has played 36 Premier league games and scored 4 goals. So he's a 1 in 9 striker. And 2 of those 4 came from the penalty spot. And we've already got somebody in our team who's pretty good from there.

He did score 6 goals for Swansea in the Championship, butright now David Nugent is tearing the Championship apart so y'know.

He's barely first choice at Sunderland and he's scored 1 goal in 19 games for them from open play. It's a fairly safe bet to suggest that were he with us, not only would he be getting fuck all gametime, but he'd be scoring fuck all goals.

Now you may be right in that he could come good, as I said above - he does have some decent attributes, and he's certainly got age on his side, but your argument is based entirely on hope.

So don't be calling my argument "awful" mate.

I didnt. I said that paragraph is awful. And it is.
A manager who it was widely acknowledged hadnt a clue and took his team to rock bottom didnt play him. Then a new manager comes in who plays him. And they are doing better in the league and look a stronger team and youve taken that as a negative.
Thats awful.
The rest I agree with although a lot of his games have been as sub for 10 minutes here and there so it isnt really a 1 in 9 stat.
And yes its based on hope, but then you sign any player its based on hope right? In the main part.
I assume you still hope Joe Allen makes it because you see enough in his attributes to hope he sticks around and gets a chance?

And regarding Raheem I think thats a bit rich given I was saying what almost every other liverpool fan was saying, that he looked like he was going backwards. Granted I said I didnt think he would make it, but i dont ever remember saying we should get rid, simply that he wasnt doing it and shouldnt be in the team. And guess what, this time last year he shouldnt.

Anyway, I like Borini, cant put my finger on why, I hope he gets a season. I dont want him to be our Guisesppe Rossi, and I think he might be.

 

[mark1975]

He is right really - I don't see much evidence for placing any kind of faith in Borini either. Apart from Borini playing on the right wing - he's always been on the left when I've seen him and Johnson on the right so he can cut inside. But that's a bit pedantic.

Well like I said, it wasn't his point that was an issue, its the manner in which he has to be to get it across, constantly.

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

Anyway, I like Borini, cant put my finger on why, I hope he gets a season. I dont want him to be our Guisesppe Rossi, and I think he might be.

Maybe he reminds you of the Benitez version of Dirk Kuyt? Because he certainly reminds me of the Dutchman.

Their profiles match - mediocre first touch, not that good at creating his own shot because of a lack of trickery, dribbling skills or explosive pace, but one hell of a workhorse, doesn't shirk from a challenge, and shows good positional sense as well as good sense of where his teammates are.

I used to hate it when Benitez kept playing Kuyt week in week out despite him being out of form or awful at times, but I grew to appreciate him as he just kept on fighting on and contributing, especially in the big games. Hence why I have a soft spot for Borini as well, as I like the spirit he's shown.

Here's Borini vs Chelsea and the Mancs. I think this is typical of what we can expect from the lad - his first touch is mediocre but the fight in him is good.





His Sunderland season is actually a tale of 3 parts (so far): he hardly got a sniff under Di Canio and then Poyet came in and gave him a couple of starts but still used him as a sub in most games from Oct to mid-Dec. Then the Chelsea CC game happened, where he scored and was (generously) credited with an assist on a goal (it was a good spot and pass by Borini but Ki still had a fair bit of work to do to the shot). He's been getting more minutes since then, and is currently on a good run with 3 goals and an assist in the last 7 games he's played (6 starts, 1 sub).

It's too early to give up on him. I think he won't give up on fighting for a place too.

 

[TheRedCrusade]

I think it would be a fair comparison with Kuyt, agree slightly there as of now. He has always scored important goals for Sunderland, like the equaliser against Southamton and the winner against Newcastle. If he keeps pergorming to this level, he deserves at least a chance at Anfield

 

[Red Astaire]

I don't think he's good enough - Hopefully he makes us a few quid when we sell him. Of course I'd be delighted if suddenly turned mint. As Ryan said I just don't see it happening given the chances he's had.

 

[Ryan]

He didn't call your argument "awful" he called your "let's cut to the chase", typical self-cock-blowing comment "awful"

People might go head to head with you in a civil discussion, if weren't such a self absorbed dick about it. As it is, it's pretty pointless with all this obsessive, self posturing.

Mark, you just need to accept I know more about football than you and stop getting so worked up about it. You get very anxious about the whole thing pet.

 

[mark1975]

Mark, you just need to accept I know more about football than you and stop getting so worked up about it. You get very anxious about the whole thing pet.

Haha.. I'm not, I just wish you wouldn't act like such a tool when putting your thoughts across, tsk x

 

[hamstrung_pigeon]

Fuckin' Wes Brown. Got sent off early on and Borini has been sacrificed for a defender.