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Poll Hendo to Silence the Haters this Season?

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How will Hendo perform this season?

  • He's going to have a great year

    Votes: 20 40.0%
  • Poorly– he's just not good enough

    Votes: 4 8.0%
  • He'll do a job but he's not Liverpool quality

    Votes: 26 52.0%

  • Total voters
    50
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Jordan Henderson: Last season it was hard to feel like the Liverpool captain
The 26-year-old endured a 2015-16 season of injuries and self-doubt but kept Jürgen Klopp’s faith and a return to the revamped Anfield seems like a fresh start

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It was, in Jordan Henderson’s own words, “a huge privilege” to succeed Steven Gerrard as Liverpool captain but there must have been times in the intervening 14 months when the armband felt a dubious honour to him. The extra scrutiny, demands and pressure that accompany the role he can handle. The spate of injuries that coincided with the promotion, however, created a despondency that lifted only recently. “I am ready to lead this team and win things,” says Henderson with obvious intent to make up for lost time.

The England international is ebullient before Liverpool’s first Premier League game at a revamped Anfield on Saturday, where capacity will rise above 54,000 for the visit of the champions, Leicester City, thanks to the completion of the long-awaited Main Stand. Henderson shares the anticipation that surrounds the homecoming and Jürgen Klopp’s team, for all their inconsistencies. But the 26-year-old is silenced for several seconds when asked whether, given the heel, toe and knee injuries that blighted last season and the criticism he received while playing in severe pain, he ever revised his opinion on the privilege of being Liverpool captain.
Eventually, having considered his answer with forensic care, the midfielder explains: “I’ve never felt that I didn’t want the captaincy and never doubted I was the right person for it but there were times last season when I was very down because I wasn’t playing and I questioned my contribution as captain because of that. I couldn’t help on the pitch as I wanted to and so Milly [James Milner], as vice-captain, had to take the role on. It was a very difficult time and I was down.
“There were a lot of things going through my head and there were times when it was hard to feel like the captain because I wasn’t contributing on the pitch. I feel as though I’ve come through that now. I’m in a much better place, I feel very confident and feel I am ready to lead this team and win things. There are no doubts about that.”
Henderson admits to “learning everything I can in training” from Klopp, the assistant manager, Zeljko Buvac, and the coach, Peter Krawietz, but his education under the manager is not confined to the pitch. Liverpool suffered a collective failure when losing 2-0 at Burnley but, not for the first time, fierce criticism was reserved for their captain, prompting Klopp to respond: “If I doubted him then he would not be here.” The manager’s defence of Henderson came with the instruction that his skipper should stop trying “to make special things … Just do more of what you need to do rather than what you want to do.” The captain insists the lesson has been learned.
“When you’re not playing it is difficult to feel that you are the leader of the team. You want to help but I couldn’t,” he responds. “That’s a big difference with this season. I feel good, I feel fit but there are a lot of leaders in the team, it’s not just me. There are big characters in the dressing room and we have a very good group of players so I don’t see it as reliant on me, or I have to replace Stevie or I have to do this or that. I might have felt that way a year ago and that was one of the negatives I’d say I had to work on – thinking I needed to do everything when there are people around me who are just as big as leaders and who can drive the team on.”

Klopp’s statement of support was timely but unsurprising to Henderson after a summer when he was linked with a move away from Anfield. “I have a good relationship with the manager,” the midfielder says, “and what he was saying to me was the total opposite to what other people were saying and writing. He knew what was going on. I still don’t think he has seen the best of me yet, which I’m quite excited about.”
Henderson, deployed in a deeper, holding role this season, admits feeling “as though I’ve always had to prove myself” and five years at Liverpool have done nothing to diminish that instinct. First he had to justify a £20m transfer fee under Kenny Dalglish, then win over a manager in Brendan Rodgers who was initially prepared to sell him to Fulham, and now he must prove himself a worthy captain for a coach he describes as “one of, if not the best in the world”. But he draws an important distinction. “The difference with Kenny and Brendan is that I was fit and ready. I was available to play every week but with the new manager I’ve not been able to do that. It is probably only the start of this season where I have been able to and I feel good. Last year I was playing games when I wasn’t 100% and mentally that isn’t great. Mentally I am in a different place this season and I think you can see that in the performances.”
Results and performances have been mixed for Liverpool and Leicester in the embryonic stage of the season but Henderson believes there is firm evidence of progress from Klopp’s new-look side. He says: “We have to give Leicester a lot of respect. The bottom line is they are champions. We wanted to win all the first three away games at the Emirates, Burnley and White Hart Lane and even though we didn’t do that I feel there was an obvious show of intent, particularly in the second half against Arsenal and at White Hart Lane. We are not far away from where we want to get to.”
 
I'd like him to have a big season and return to that Hendo that tore shit up at times over the past 2 years but I'm not hopeful.
 
I'd like him to have a big season and return to that Hendo that tore shit up at times over the past 2 years but I'm not hopeful.

If he's fit, and he is claiming there that he's back to fitness, he could be a perfect Klopp midfielder. He's all action, high energy, and a great organiser of people around him. If the injury worries return, it just won't happen. His game requires that high mobility.
 
None of the poll options fits my views on this. He's had a good start IMO, I'm hopeful that that will continue and, if it does, he could be a big player (and skipper) for us again. The "but" is twofold for me, (a) the injuries and (b) how much improvement he has left in him, because he - like every other player in the squad - is going to have to keep getting better if we're to get to where we want to be.
 
I can't really judge his performances until I see him playing regularly in his position but as a DM he's crap and I don't see him getting any better.
Just another guy running around on the pitch not doing anything significant. Basically a passenger.

So option 3 for me.
 
He looked good against Spurs, less so in the other games. But people also forget another crucial factor, as well as getting over a big injury, he's also been on the sidelines for ages and completely lacked any match practice. Look at the effects it's had on Sturridge and Flanagan, both are still trying to get form together. It'll be the same with Gomez too.
 
I can't really judge his performances until I see him playing regularly in his position but as a DM he's crap and I don't see him getting any better.
Just another guy running around on the pitch not doing anything significant. Basically a passenger.

So option 3 for me.

He's played that role because we've had no one else. It's fairly obvious that Can is the preferred choice in that role and then that means Henderson will play alongside Can with more license to play his own game. I'm not really sure what his position has to with anything, but deciding after 3 games that he's "crap" in a certain position while only just coming back from a huge injury, it's just slightly premature.
 
If he's fit, and he is claiming there that he's back to fitness, he could be a perfect Klopp midfielder. He's all action, high energy, and a great organiser of people around him. If the injury worries return, it just won't happen. His game requires that high mobility.

His problem recently IMO is that he's trying too hard to force it. He needs to relax a bit more, enjoy being fit and playing and I'm sure the form will come.

The biggest boon to his form right now though, will be if Klopp can get him out of that deep-lying role so he can be a bit more involved with a bit less pressure.
 
He's played that role because we've had no one else. It's fairly obvious that Can is the preferred choice in that role and then that means Henderson will play alongside Can with more license to play his own game. I'm not really sure what his position has to with anything, but deciding after 3 games that he's "crap" in a certain position while only just coming back from a huge injury, it's just slightly premature.

If I remember rightly, his best form was on the right-hand side of Rodgers' diamond. He's never really had a proper run in Klopp's 4-3-3/4-2-3-1.

But I agree, with Can back in hopefully Henderson will be able to relax a bit more.
 
He's played that role because we've had no one else. It's fairly obvious that Can is the preferred choice in that role and then that means Henderson will play alongside Can with more license to play his own game. I'm not really sure what his position has to with anything, but deciding after 3 games that he's "crap" in a certain position while only just coming back from a huge injury, it's just slightly premature.

It's also flat wrong. He's better further forward but he's been far from our worst player. His distribution in particular has been excellent at times.
 
He's played that role because we've had no one else. It's fairly obvious that Can is the preferred choice in that role and then that means Henderson will play alongside Can with more license to play his own game. I'm not really sure what his position has to with anything, but deciding after 3 games that he's "crap" in a certain position while only just coming back from a huge injury, it's just slightly premature.
He's been tested there several times before. Brendan did it a few times and he didn't impress then either so I already knew that playing him there was going to mean trouble.
But like you said Can is first choice. We will just have to wait and see.
 
I dunno. There are hints in both the guardian and telegraph versions of this story that Klopp is 'reinventing' Henderson as a deep-lying midfielder. I get that he's played there before under Brendan and Hodgson, but maybe Klopp and his staff are good enough coaches, and Henderson is intelligent enough that he can learn the new position and excel in it.

Dunno, really.
 
I dunno. There are hints in both the guardian and telegraph versions of this story that Klopp is 'reinventing' Henderson as a deep-lying midfielder. I get that he's played there before under Brendan and Hodgson, but maybe Klopp and his staff are good enough coaches, and Henderson is intelligent enough that he can learn the new position and excel in it.

Dunno, really.

It smacks a bit of Gerrard under Rodgers, which I guess is the root of concern for some.
 
It smacks a bit of Gerrard under Rodgers, which I guess is the root of concern for some.

Yeah that's true. And I'm not sure I can immediately recall a player who has been successful coached to play a different position and they've done well there. So I'm not convinced myself.

EDIT: Saying that, the people who Klopp is trying to coach to play new roles - Henderson and Milner - are probably more likely to listen to instruction and not just do their own thing, which I think Gerrard was prone to do. And Brendan was a bit too in thrall to Gerrard at times; not sure he should have been in the team ahead of Lucas at the time. And we're talking about Lucas here.
 
I'm not yet convinced either, but it's interesting that Allardyce also picked him there for England.

Incidentally we've had players successfully change position in our time. One who springs to mind is Alec Lindsay, a decent midfielder whom we switched to LB with such effect that he got into the England side before his private life went haywire and he disappeared off the radar. It certainly can be done.
 
I dunno. There are hints in both the guardian and telegraph versions of this story that Klopp is 'reinventing' Henderson as a deep-lying midfielder. I get that he's played there before under Brendan and Hodgson, but maybe Klopp and his staff are good enough coaches, and Henderson is intelligent enough that he can learn the new position and excel in it.

Dunno, really.
Oh no, Hendo clearly lacks the defensive skill to play in that position. Sure he can harass and chase players but he just lacks the awareness to intercept and win balls and his tackling isn't good enough either. It's been quite evident. It's not enough just being a presence in front of the defence he needs to put his body in line and he doesn't.
Can also lacks awareness and positioning but he does win balls and he does put his body in line.

If Can had Lucas brain he'd be perfect.
 
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I know I normally just say 'he's shite' at this point, but his long passing is ace and his vision is good, he's very physically good... So what's up? I think he rushes stuff and picks the wrong ball coz of it very often. If you could inject a little bit of Molby or Alonso's coolness into him he'd probs be ace. Just doubt that's possible.
 
I'm not yet convinced either, but it's interesting that Allardyce also picked him there for England.

Incidentally we've had players successfully change position in our time. One who springs to mind is Alec Lindsay, a decent midfielder whom we switched to LB with such effect that he got into the England side before his private life went haywire and he disappeared off the radar. It certainly can be done.

Yeah, and Emlyn Hughes and Steve Nicol both played a number of roles and were very, very good at them all. So it's possible, but it's an idea that has gone out of fashion really, with the increase in transfers and money spent.
 
I can't really judge his performances until I see him playing regularly in his position but as a DM he's crap and I don't see him getting any better.
Just another guy running around on the pitch not doing anything significant. Basically a passenger.

So option 3 for me.

He had a terrific game against Spurs, unless you had the blinkers on.
 
Yeah that's true. And I'm not sure I can immediately recall a player who has been successful coached to play a different position and they've done well there. So I'm not convinced myself.

EDIT: Saying that, the people who Klopp is trying to coach to play new roles - Henderson and Milner - are probably more likely to listen to instruction and not just do their own thing, which I think Gerrard was prone to do. And Brendan was a bit too in thrall to Gerrard at times; not sure he should have been in the team ahead of Lucas at the time. And we're talking about Lucas here.
Klopp turned Eric Durm from a striker into a LB

http://bundesligafanatic.com/how-erik-durm-has-benefitted-from-borussia-dortmunds-defensive-crisis/

Piszczek was turned from a winger with occasional CF appearance into a RB.
 
Klopp turned Eric Durm from a striker into a LB

http://bundesligafanatic.com/how-erik-durm-has-benefitted-from-borussia-dortmunds-defensive-crisis/

Piszczek was turned from a winger with occasional CF appearance into a RB.

Yeah. That side of things isn't done too much anymore, so it would be nice if it works. I like Henderson, I know he has flaws but he has a really good attitude most of the time, is encouraging to the younger players and gets on well with everyone. I'd like to see him do well.
 
I'd prefer he just get on with it and show he's good enough on the pitch rather than in the press like the rest of them. I'm not interested in him or anyone else telling me how good they will be in the future.
 
Sissoko was turned into defensive midfielder being a striker originally.
Alan Smith was turned into a midfielder as well.
John Barnes went from being a winger to a central midfielder.

Some times you've got it, some times you don't.
 
Sissoko was turned into defensive midfielder being a striker originally.
Alan Smith was turned into a midfielder as well.
John Barnes went from being a winger to a central midfielder.

Some times you've got it, some times you don't.

John Barnes got plenty of flack for his midfield performances. So did Alan Smith.
 
John Barnes got plenty of flack for his midfield performances. So did Alan Smith.
Well obviously Alan Smith was shit.
John Barnes mostly got shit for his midfield performances because he was never the same after those injuries.
 
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