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Hugo Boss


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A thread for our main striker. Huge Ekitike. A tall, fast, strong 23-year-old Frenchman. That goal shows what appears to be one of his great skills. He is very strong in a challenge. Notice how at the start of that video above he anticipates the incoming challenge from the defensive player trailing him. So he repositions and readjusts his run to preemptively own and control that challenge. I've seen him do that a few times and it stands out. It is not a skill that is very common or at least not many forwards appear to be good at it. Ekitike is.
 
Even on YouTube it was clear he was a very well-rounded footballer with pace, strength, good awareness and technical ability. There were, however, legitimate doubts about the fee, whether he was proven enough for a big club, and his tendency to take too many low-percentage shots. Since arriving, he has put all of those doubts to rest. He has arguably been our best player since his second pre-season game, rarely dropping below an eight out of ten in any performance.

Many clubs were forced into taking risks in the striker market this summer, and there's plenty of jeopardy about, but so far I’m confident we’ve found a gem.
 
As the sole scorer and creator of goals for Frankfurt (especially after marmoush left), I'm not surprised he took a lot of low percentage shots.

Now the burden of creation is off him (though he still works so fucking hard), he can take better positions for better shots

3 goals on 3 games. Yes please.
 
Hugo Boss. hihi Nice title thread. I missed it. So this should go here then:


Might struggle with holding the ball up and spreading it around when under pressure. And might also need space to run into. Most strikers of his profile (tall and fast) tend to require more space as such pacy players tend to lack technique. That could be a weakness. It is not easy to see on highlights but if you find a link notice how for his goal vs. Newcastle he had a whole lot of space to obtain the ball in the midfield, and then turn, and then he also had a lot of space to run into.
 
If at this point Newcastle had bought Ekiteke and we had bought Isak I suspect we would all be wondering why we just hadn't bought Ekiteke instead and saved ourselves sixty million quid
 
You and I usually agree on stuff, but watching those highlights, I couldn't disagree more. It's only one game, but from what I saw in those highlights, I was actually impressed (not blown away; but I thought it was a good debut; positives to build on). I am not sure if he's ready to be the main man yet, but I don't think he's far off - like one season of acclimatising).

Here's why. In preseason, what I want to see from new players is their ability. When I watched Darwin in his first preseason games, I saw a guy scoring a couple of goals, but also a guy with an average to poor first touch, very poor link-up play, poor decision-making, poor finishing and non-existent dribbling (it was kick and run). I wasn't impressed and whilst he's improved over his time, he's still not at the level we require.

With Hugo, based on the highlighted clips, here's what I saw:

0:25 - Excellent pressing from behind, wins the ball back. Salah heads it out.

0:34 - Quick to loose ball and wins 2 v 1 challenge by using his length to get a lovely little flick off to Szobo and get us possession, who then gets it off to Salah in a dangerous position.

0:38 - Excellent forward run between defenders, decent first touch with the outside of his boot to hold up possession, then a poor 2nd touch as he tries to touch it with the outside of his right foot and he misses the ball (as he's concerned about the defender). Then the defender nudges him off balance as he’s about to try a drag back to retrieve the ball. (replay around 0:55 shows this more clearly)

0:46 - Playing between the lines. Intelligent link up play and awareness with a simple lay-off to Bradley, but what’s more impressive is the desire he shows to join in after the lay off. Gets well away from his tight marker after the lay off.

1:00 - Pressing (although I’d have liked to have seen it more curved).

1:06 - Excellent first touch and positive driving run. Runs into too many players though. Should have retain possession, but I like the fact he control the ball so easily with his studs.

1:19 - Good pressing from behind again. Wins ball back.

1:25 - Checks shoulder and engages with defender, then times his run across CB to get a flick shot at goal. Had the ball been played in from of him and not behind him, it would have likely been a one-touch goal. But the movement here was sharp and well-timed.

1:41 - Tries to step across and hold off defender. Loses ball as he’s nudged off balance. Needs to work on his strength. Would also have liked to have seen him press after losing it.

1:50 - Negative slow play. Could have utilised a 2 v 1 with Gravy there, but could have been instruction from Slot to slow the play down a bit at that moment and not go gung-ho end-to-end as we always did under Jurgen.

2:01 - Reacts fast to loose ball. And good one touch off to Salah, then looks to get the return. Simple, intelligent link-up play. Not greedy poor decision making. He also has a good instinctive reaction (to press) when he sees we lose the ball.

2:13 - Nothing to note here.

2:18 - Finds space in the box, but not a great touch to control. It comes at him fast, and there’s a defender who jumps in front of it; it required a special touch, but wasn’t able to do so.

2:24 - Wins a duel for a loose ball he’s not favourite for, and gets it off in one touch to Bradley.

2:33 - Excellent pressing. Almost wins the ball.


To surmise:
Good intelligent link-up play.
Reacts fast to loose balls.
Generally a good first touch.
Sharp movement in box. Understood it would take a one-touch finish and positioned himself as such.
Generally good pressing and first reaction when we lose the ball.
Good aggression to attack space once he’s laid it off.
He looks pretty mobile too.

Needs to work on his body strength as he may get bullied in PL, if he tries to be physical and hold off defenders; which may affect his link up and hold up play.

This is my opinion just based on the clips alone. Maybe he had another 100 shocking touches that I haven't seen that wasn't clipped. But on these clips, I see a technical foundation that can be built upon and is good enough to be effective in the PL.

Yo @Modo, only 3 games in so I might be going early on this one, but I think it's safe to say he's better than Darwin? And there are some promising signs now?
 
Hugo Boss. hihi Nice title thread. I missed it. So this should go here then:


Might struggle with holding the ball up and spreading it around when under pressure. And might also need space to run into. Most strikers of his profile (tall and fast) tend to require more space as such pacy players tend to lack technique. That could be a weakness. It is not easy to see on highlights but if you find a link notice how for his goal vs. Newcastle he had a whole lot of space to obtain the ball in the midfield, and then turn, and then he also had a lot of space to run into.
He's got room for improvement in this area, for sure. For his age though, I'm impressed with the strength he's showing. Where he needs to improve is the speed/choice of his decision making.

But in the clip with Dan Burn, against 95% of defender, he makes that pass. Dan Burn is 6'7 and has long legs and was able to wrap his legs around and block that pass.
 
Yo @Modo, only 3 games in so I might be going early on this one, but I think it's safe to say he's better than Darwin? And there are some promising signs now?
Hahaha...no disagreement here. Was never a Darwin fan.

Love Ekitike though, instant difference.
One chance, one goal. The way its supposed to be.
Imagine if we had him instead of Darwin the last two season...
 
I wish he'd stop getting subbed off. I suppose it'll be ok once he's got his goal against Arsenal if we give the last twenty minutes to Isak.
It's clear him and Florian still aren't strong enough for the league. And by strong, I mean maintaining their running power for 90mins.

I think that's why they both keep on getting subbed. They've got like 70 very good minutes in them.

Hopefully in the next few weeks they'll have 90 very good minutes in their legs.
 
Hahaha...no disagreement here. Was never a Darwin fan.

Love Ekitike though, instant difference.
One chance, one goal. The way its supposed to be.
Imagine if we had him instead of Darwin the last two season...
Anything above 1 in 3 is good for a forward. He's started very well and shown a calmness in front of goal he never showed at Frankfurt. I think this comes from training with better players/facilities/coaching.
 
I wish he'd stop getting subbed off. I suppose it'll be ok once he's got his goal against Arsenal if we give the last twenty minutes to Isak.
I agree. He is already a critical outlet with his size and strength, while also dropping deep to receive and link up.

I think that would have been very useful in last 20 minutes last night. I am hoping he is being withdrawn because the physios are not confident yet in his conditioning.
 
Yeah, let's assume we sign Isak - we're kinda weak on the wings. Slot spoke after the PSG game about width and 1v1 ability, but we've gotten worse there with Diaz's departure.

Salah, Gakpo, Chiesa - none of these excel at keeping width or creating advantages in 1v1 situations.

Diaz did that in spades, even if his final output was lacking. Rio is in that mould of player, but he's simply too young to offer anything meaningful this year. Was really hoping for something in that Barcola link.
Hang on. Both Ekitike and Isak can play off the wing and Wirtz absolutely can and does for Germany. I'd say LW is by far our most stocked forward position. We also have 3-4 players who can play CF. RW on the other hand ...

EDIT. Oops didn't realise that was a post from 10 days ago !
 
against 95% of defender, he makes that pass. Dan Burn is 6'7 and has long legs and was able to wrap his legs around and block that pass.

Hopefully you are right about that. He is young though and will also have time to improve. Also, the intensity in England is much higher than in Germany. There is much less time on the ball. So it could also be the case that it is a matter of adjustment. He might've never actually experienced anything even close to how intense that Newcastle Liverpool game was. It is a great sign that he scored and that he keeps scoring. That is a tremendous sign for a young striker that has just arrived in England from Germany. He has already proved very valuable for LFC. He is already paying off his wages and the transfer fee.

Here is the situation from his goal vs. Newcastle. Notice how much space he had when he received the ball. Had plenty of space to turn and then run into. He exploited it well. Players like him tend to like that. Excel in such situations and struggle absent such opportunities.



 
Hopefully you are right about that. He is young though and will also have time to improve. Also, the intensity in England is much higher than in Germany. There is much less time on the ball. So it could also be the case that it is a matter of adjustment. He might've never actually experienced anything even close to how intense that Newcastle Liverpool game was. It is a great sign that he scored and that he keeps scoring. That is a tremendous sign for a young striker that has just arrived in England from Germany. He has already proved very valuable for LFC. He is already paying off his wages and the transfer fee.

Here is the situation from his goal vs. Newcastle. Notice how much space he had when he received the ball. Had plenty of space to turn and then run into. He exploited it well. Players like him tend to like that. Excel in such situations and struggle absent such opportunities.



Exactly. Look at how long it took Bobby to adjust to the speed of the PL. He had at least a year in attacking midfield before anyone knew what exactly what he could become playing up top (I didn't see CF in him). Like I said, Hugo's got room for improvement in this area. There was another break in this game where I thought he made the wrong passing option outwide to Gakpo, where he should have gone right to Wirtz. This is an area I see him growing in. But he's actually quite good here already, just not world class. I actually see a lot of his idol in him (Benzema). He's got the potential to be just an all around good footballer. Does make me question the size of the Isak outlay though, as to whether it's stunts his progress. But we do need another CF.
 
Exactly. Look at how long it took Bobby to adjust to the speed of the PL. He had at least a year in attacking midfield before anyone knew what exactly what he could become playing up top (I didn't see CF in him). Like I said, Hugo's got room for improvement in this area. There was another break in this game where I thought he made the wrong passing option outwide to Gakpo, where he should have gone right to Wirtz. This is an area I see him growing in. But he's actually quite good here already, just not world class. I actually see a lot of his idol in him (Benzema). He's got the potential to be just an all around good footballer. Does make me question the size of the Isak outlay though, as to whether it's stunts his progress. But we do need another CF.

I don't agree with that analysis of Bobby's earliest days. To me the essential problem was that Brodgers had no clue what to do with him and stuck him out wide more often than not. If he'd been played centrally, as he was in Germany, we'd have got more out of him. Klopp soon fixed that.
 
I don't agree with that analysis of Bobby's earliest days. To me the essential problem was that Brodgers had no clue what to do with him and stuck him out wide more often than not. If he'd been played centrally, as he was in Germany, we'd have got more out of him. Klopp soon fixed that.

Add in Rodgers used benteke as the 9, is there any wonder Bobby took time to stamp himself?
 
I don't agree with that analysis of Bobby's earliest days. To me the essential problem was that Brodgers had no clue what to do with him and stuck him out wide more often than not. If he'd been played centrally, as he was in Germany, we'd have got more out of him. Klopp soon fixed that.
In Germany he was played as a 10. In England people initially thought he too weak and slow to play there, and Brodgers fudged him out wide.

Even when Klopp came in, I never thought he'd stick him up top as a sole 9, and he'd be able to physically hold off, sometimes bully (Stones), CBs. It was quite the transformation.

Hugo already is showing signs of being able to hold off the most physical CBs (Burns/Schar). And he hasn't even settled in yet. Some very promising early signs that he's built for the league, and this is before we put him and Florian on the pills and and asthma pumps!
 
I don't agree with that analysis of Bobby's earliest days. To me the essential problem was that Brodgers had no clue what to do with him and stuck him out wide more often than not. If he'd been played centrally, as he was in Germany, we'd have got more out of him. Klopp soon fixed that.
Firmino was brilliant in Germany. I wanted him a year before we got him and I was both shocked and delighted when it happened.
 
Add in Rodgers used benteke as the 9, is there any wonder Bobby took time to stamp himself?
Rodgers walked into a team with Suarez already there, had so much success with it, yet preferred Benteke over Firmino once Suarez was gone. How crazy is that.
 
Does make me question the size of the Isak outlay though, as to whether it's stunts his progress. But we do need another CF.
This is a very fair point. The thing is that they appear to be very similar players. Both are Number 9s, and both are kinda tallish. They play the same position and they feed on the same sort of service. Which, BTW, is another reason I didn't like seeing Diaz go. He was . d i f f e r e n t .

It would be very hard to play both Ekitike and Isak at the same time. Neither of them is a winger. But we do need cover among the forward line.
 
Should have said "Too many cunts parading as 80s band cast offs"

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