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Cesc Fabregas Called Frederic Kanoute a 'Terrorist' and Other Racist Names
October 22, 2011 09:25 PM EDT

A fight between Barcelona's Cesc Fabregas and Sevilla's Frederic Kanoute is said to have been caused when Fabregas called the Sevilla striker a "terrorist" and a "puto negro de mierda," or "black piece of sh*t."

The incident occurred four minutes into extra time as Sevilla and Barcelona were heading towards a 0-0 draw. A penalty on Barcelona's Andres Iniesta was called and immediately contested by many of the Sevilla players on the field. A video of the incident then shows Frederic Kanoute reacting quite suddenly to something said by Cesc Fabregas, and he attacks Fabregas, who falls to the ground and is surrounded by his teammates. Kanoute is shown a red card and leaves the field.

Spanish television media sources are reporting that the cause of Kanoute's sudden anger was Cesc Fabregas' use of a racial slur, "puto negro de mierda." Roughly translated this means "n***er piece of sh*t." Kanoute is of African descent.

Other sources are saying that in addition to the racial slur, Fabregas referred to Kanoute as a "terrorist." This is similar to an incident at the beginning of the season between fellow Barcelona player David Villa and Real Madrid's Mesut Ozil; Villa allegedly insulted Ozil's religion (Islam) and called him a Nazi (owing to his German nationality).

It can safely be assumed that both La Liga and FIFA will be investigating this incident, as well they should. Football has been routinely marred by racial incidents between players, with black and Muslim players on the receiving end of very poor treatment, particularly in Europe. If found to have used the language he's being accused of using, Cesc Fabregas should be suspended from the league. No self-respecting team should tolerate this kind of behavior from their players, no matter their star quality.


Here's the incident:

Barcelona 0-0 Sevilla Kanoute Red & Messi Penalty Miss HD
 
I saw this ...

I think this should be discussed in 'how much trash talking etc is too much?'

I think IF Cesc said those things, it's disgraceful AND wrong. But if he said, "your mother is a whore" or "I shagged your sister last night" etc, would it have been 'better'?
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415626#msg1415626 date=1319365310]
I saw this ...

I think this should be discussed in 'how much trash talking etc is too much?'

I think IF Cesc said those things, it's disgraceful AND wrong. But if he said, "your mother is a whore" or "I shagged your sister last night" etc, would it have been 'better'?
[/quote]

I think it's easier to deflect slurs about your mother, sister etc.
 
Seriously , how fucking embarrassing are footballers ....if you're going to get in a fight and sent off why not fucking lamp him properly . Ok ok that's a bit immature but i've never understood how the reaction of so many players when hit is to go down screaming ...i'm not even tough but when i played it never even crossed my mind , if something was dirty your red mist reaction is to strike back .
 
[quote author=RedZeppelin link=topic=47264.msg1415632#msg1415632 date=1319365816]
Seriously , how fucking embarrassing are footballers ....if you're going to get in a fight and sent off why not fucking lamp him properly . Ok ok that's a bit immature but i've never understood how the reaction of so many players when hit is to go down screaming ...i'm not even tough but when i played it never even crossed my mind , if something was dirty your red mist reaction is to strike back .
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Agree Duncan Ferguson style.
 
Kanoute's not really one for kicking off, so "something" was said that caused him to react.

I'm surprised at Fabregas if this is true.

He did play for *Arsenal* for fuck's sake !

I have a feeling the Spanish FA won't be charging him with anything worth a damn.

*deep sigh*
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=47264.msg1415630#msg1415630 date=1319365561]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415626#msg1415626 date=1319365310]
I saw this ...

I think this should be discussed in 'how much trash talking etc is too much?'

I think IF Cesc said those things, it's disgraceful AND wrong. But if he said, "your mother is a whore" or "I shagged your sister last night" etc, would it have been 'better'?
[/quote]

I think it's easier to deflect slurs about your mother, sister etc.
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I dunno man ... When I played in England for my boarding school, some kid told me "Hitler should have finished the job." Don't know why I didn't do anything ... I've heard some other stuff re: my fam, but never bothered. I guess it's wrong no matter what.
 
Being Caucasian and all that it's kinda hard to relate - but about 10 years ago I did 6 months with a bunch of tabloid reading, eastenders watching, cockbulbs in an office in London - and every single fucking day they'd have a laugh about me robbing their footwear or cheating the dole. It didn't bother me, just made me realise how fucking thick these people were and why I was getting paid four hundred a day to figure out why they were all so shit at their jobs - which could be ironic I guess.

What I think I'm saying is that a general slur about my heritage didn't mean much at all compared to something more personal. Not that a personal insult matters when it's being relayed by a massive tit either.
 
Yeah i very much doubt the Spanish FA will do anything ....sure , and i know you point this out alot , Real Madrid fans are always making monkey sounds and nobody does anything . It is a little tiring how it's one rule for some and then for others they just go "ah yeah but it's always like that there, what can you do " .

Actually , and i am no fan of uefa , but is there not a case for them to step in and investigate these things if the local FA won't ?
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=47264.msg1415637#msg1415637 date=1319366475]

I have a feeling the Spanish FA won't be charging him with anything worth a damn.

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Sadly, you're right. Does any FA does fight this stuff actively ?
 
There's no way for UEFA, or any FA to really sort these things.

They should just let cunts like Fabregas take a proper hiding every now and again , that'll learn em
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415645#msg1415645 date=1319367165]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47264.msg1415637#msg1415637 date=1319366475]

I have a feeling the Spanish FA won't be charging him with anything worth a damn.

[/quote]

Sadly, you're right. Does any FA does fight this stuff actively ?
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I'd like to believe that if what Evra claims happened between himself and Suarez, went off like this incident, the English FA would be on it like white on rice....oops !
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47264.msg1415646#msg1415646 date=1319367165]
There's no way for UEFA, or any FA to really sort these things.

They should just let cunts like Fabregas take a proper hiding every now and again , that'll learn em
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This, I reckon.
 
[quote author=Woland link=topic=47264.msg1415657#msg1415657 date=1319368144]
The Spanish FA aren't bothered by racism. They appointed and stuck by Aragones for a start.
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In hindsight it was a pretty good decision. Won them the European championships and built the team who currently are world champions.

Regarding the Kanoute - Fabregas incident, judging by the video clip I don't think Kanoute was the only one who heard the alleged slur.
 
I'm not sure there is any self respecting team left in top tier football.
The players are generally a bunch of twats and generally allowed to get away with a shed load of stuff
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415626#msg1415626 date=1319365310]
I saw this ...

I think this should be discussed in 'how much trash talking etc is too much?'

I think IF Cesc said those things, it's disgraceful AND wrong. But if he said, "your mother is a whore" or "I shagged your sister last night" etc, would it have been 'better'?
[/quote]


It isn't racist is the point
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=47264.msg1415637#msg1415637 date=1319366475]
I'm surprised at Fabregas if this is true.
[/quote]


I'd like to know for sure if he said it, but it's impossible unless Fabregas came out and said, "Yeah, I said it. And I meant it."


However, not that I'm in a position to judge, but Kanoute seems like a nice chap, and I wouldn't be astonished if Fabregas was actually a bit of a little shit. He always seemed a bit up himself. (Apologies Cesc, if this is unfair and not at all true.)
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47264.msg1415703#msg1415703 date=1319374137]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415626#msg1415626 date=1319365310]
I saw this ...

I think this should be discussed in 'how much trash talking etc is too much?'

I think IF Cesc said those things, it's disgraceful AND wrong. But if he said, "your mother is a whore" or "I shagged your sister last night" etc, would it have been 'better'?
[/quote]


It isn't racist is the point
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Go tell a Druze his mother is a whore in a football game, and tell me if you'll get the same reaction if you call him a 'fucking druze' or whatever.

Zidane went ape shit b/c his sister was cursed out ...

How far is too far? Try and see what I'm saying before pursuing your continuing agenda mate.
 
I don't care about "better" - it's not the point. Slagging off somebody's mum isn't very nice, but it isn't *racist*.


Zidane said Materazzi called him a terrorist, which is clearly a slur based on his ethnicity and religion. Materazzi said that he said something about Zidane's mum. Who is telling the truth, we'll never know. But only one of those potential comments was racist.
 
It's not an "agenda", but if Fabregas was saying racist shit to Kanoute, then it makes Fabregas look like a particular kind of cunt, whereas if he was just saying mum shit, then he can't be called a racist.


Also, what the fuck are you on about "pursuing your continuing agenda"


I can't believe you keep serving up this shit.
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47264.msg1415757#msg1415757 date=1319378940]
I don't care about "better" - it's not the point. Slagging off somebody's mum isn't very nice, but it isn't *racist*.


Zidane said Materazzi called him a terrorist, which is clearly a slur based on his ethnicity and religion. Materazzi said that he said something about Zidane's mum. Who is telling the truth, we'll never know. But only one of those potential comments was racist.
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I used the example of the Druze because I thought you were a bit more aware of other faiths - I guess you aren't. Insulting their mother (or any female member of their family) is as offensive as it gets - I saw a few fights b/c of it because 'jokes' were taken far too seriously.

So if you call me a 'terrorist', it's racist too? Or it's only racist to call Muslims 'terrorists'?
 
You're calling quite a few posters racist and have insinuated a few times I am ... So you're going on and on trying to prove it, though I'm not sure how exactly when you don't really have much to fall on (bar your world view).
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415760#msg1415760 date=1319379258]I used the example of the Druze because I thought you were a bit more aware of other faiths - I guess you aren't. Insulting their mother (or any female member of their family) is as offensive as it gets - I saw a few fights b/c of it because 'jokes' were taken far too seriously.

So if you call me a 'terrorist', it's racist too? Or it's only racist to call Muslims 'terrorists'?
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It might be as offensive as it gets to them, but it wouldn't actually be racist.


I think currently it wouldn't make sense to call an Israeli a terrorist as a slur, although maybe in the past it could have worked in the same way.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415762#msg1415762 date=1319379380]
You're calling quite a few posters racist and have insinuated a few times I am ... So you're going on and on trying to prove it, though I'm not sure how exactly when you don't really have much to fall on (bar your world view).
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I haven't insinuated anything. You tried to convince me that Arabs fundamentally hate Jews, and I didn't agree with it. That's all!


And that conversation has NOTHING to do with this thread. And I don't understand how you have got from me pointing out that mum slurs aren't racist to thinking I am trying to prove that you are racist. It's crackers!
 
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=47264.msg1415777#msg1415777 date=1319379794]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415762#msg1415762 date=1319379380]
You're calling quite a few posters racist and have insinuated a few times I am ... So you're going on and on trying to prove it, though I'm not sure how exactly when you don't really have much to fall on (bar your world view).
[/quote]


I haven't insinuated anything. You tried to convince me that Arabs fundamentally hate Jews, and I didn't agree with it. That's all!
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I didn't say that - I said it's been a active part of the Jewish experience in the Arab world. There's a big difference in what I'm saying, and what you're 'hearing' that I'm saying

However, to wrap it up - it's only racist to call Muslims (or Arabs) terrorists. What slurs are considered racist for other religions/ethnicities? Just curious ....
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415762#msg1415762 date=1319379380]
You're calling quite a few posters racist [/quote]


No I haven't.


I said there was some xenophobic shit going on in that thread. That is not the same as saying "you lot are racist".


Honestly LTW, it's clearly you that has it in for me. The amount of misrepresentation that goes on in your retelling of my posts is getting pretty disgusting.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47264.msg1415781#msg1415781 date=1319379915]However, to wrap it up - it's only racist to call Muslims (or Arabs) terrorists.[/quote]


I didn't say that. What is going on with you?


I have to conclude either one of two things, bud:


1) You're not very bright
or
2) You're trying to make it look like I am kind of evil or something
 
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