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James Milner - Legend ?

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James Milner’s workmanlike image disguises a true Liverpool legend
Tireless on the pitch and conscientious off it, Liverpool’s old master is plodding steadily towards a place in football history
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James Milner during Liverpool’s 3-0 win against Crystal Palace match at Anfield, in which he played at right-back with Trent Alexander-Arnold ill. Photograph: Peter Byrne/PA

Richard Jolly
Sun 19 Sep 2021 14.12 BST




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Emerson Royal is a £25m Brazil international and a specialist right-back. James Milner is a 35-year-old odd-job man who was playing Premier League football before Emma Raducanu and Harvey Elliott were born. On successive Saturdays, each was subjected to trial by Wilfried Zaha. Only one passed and it wasn’t the man bought from Barcelona last month.
Perhaps it is unfair to judge the Tottenham newcomer on the basis of a debut in which he was parachuted into a makeshift defence. And yet Milner was a late call-up for a new-look Liverpool back four on Saturday, charged with flanking the debutant Ibrahima Konaté. His immediate opponent was Zaha and the previous time that was the case, Milner was a youngster of 33 and he was sent off for fouling the speediest of wingers. When Zaha hit the post after a minute after he eluded Milner, this threatened to be a case of cruelty to the elderly.


Ninety minutes later, Liverpool had beaten Crystal Palace 3-0 and Jürgen Klopp, a manager who appreciates illogically fine feats, selfless running and self-sacrificial players, was naming Milner his man of the match. Perhaps it was a triumph of old-fashioned character and timeless fitness. It was Liverpool’s first league game since 2018 without either Andrew Robertson or Trent Alexander-Arnold and Palace thought they had pinpointed a potential weakness: as Klopp noted, part of their gameplan was “chipped balls in behind our full-backs – we had to run a lot”. But rewind a couple of months and Milner posted the times of an 8.5km pre-season run he had done in 34 minutes.
On Saturday, the old workhorse duly put in a shift when it mattered: 19 sprints as he covered 10.93km in a performance encompassing four tackles, four clearances, three interceptions, 13 crosses and 117 touches (and, Palace may note, five fouls and no bookings). “I am pretty sure Millie enjoyed that,” Klopp reflected. Which, as Milner relishes a challenge, he almost certainly did.
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James Milner holds off Birmingham’s Damien Johnson on 1 January 2003, three days before the Leeds player turned 17. Photograph: Michael Steele/Getty Images


While Gareth Southgate had used a Liverpool right-back, Alexander-Arnold, in midfield, this was a midfielder masquerading as a right-back. Alexander-Arnold had reported ill on Saturday morning, Milner jokingly diagnosing “a bit of Zaha-itis” and adding: “Trent’s definitely going to get some ribbing for that.” As Milner’s starts have become rarer, with only 21 in Liverpool’s previous 86 league games, he still seems the invaluable understudy, ready for such emergencies. Klopp is a manager of many midfields, but fewer of them contain Milner. He may be wearily, uncomplainingly familiar with the spot on the bench but part of Milner’s appeal has long been his status as the man for all positions. In 2014, as Manchester City’s forwards were sidelined, Milner faced Palace as an auxiliary striker, running many a mile to free up space for others.

However, he has also been the Yorkshireman for all seasons: 20 of them in the Premier League now. On Saturday, he became the first footballer to take on both Patrick Vieira the player and the manager. Sunday was David Seaman’s 58th birthday: of those who played against him in the Premier League, only Milner and Cristiano Ronaldo are plying their trade in it now.
Like Ronaldo, Milner is a Champions League record holder; it remains remarkable that he has more assists in a single campaign than anyone else in the competition’s history, with nine in Liverpool’s surge to the 2018 final. It can feel incongruous but his skill has been concealed by a cloak of dullness. The Champions League’s most creative force turned into one of its staunchest defenders in April when he spoke out bluntly against the proposed Super League. Where Milner led, others followed and a voice of common sense sounded like football’s conscience.
He can appear a throwback to earlier times, but there is a question of how much longer the Milner era can last. He was not among the glut of Liverpool players to receive new contracts this summer. His deal expires next year. He is already the second oldest outfielder to represent Liverpool in the Premier League, behind only Gary McAllister. Gareth Barry has made the most Premier League appearances of all time but Milner is 87 games away from supplanting his friend as the most glamorous league’s least glamorous record holder. A bit-part role at Anfield may make it harder to claim that, but performances like Saturday’s suggest he will retain the formidable fitness to stand a chance. Milner’s ability to keep on running may yet make him the Premier League’s milestone man.
 
I don't know about legend, but I do know in 20 years from now we will talk about him.
That's what I imagine you would want as a player. When he does hang up his boots I would like to see him goto a few games supporting the team.
 
To be considered a legend, you need to have both won either a league or European cup for Liverpool and also had some kind of consistent run of appearances and influence.

If we look back at 2005 team, who from that is a legend? Gerrard. Anyone else? Sami and Carra, maybe?

Maybe there are tiers of legends, with Kenny, Rush, Barnes, Gerrard and on and on. Then a second tier with Sami and Carra?

In those terms, I'd put Milner in that top group. He's won the European Cup and helped set the mentality to win the league after 30 years.

Maybe I had too much wine at dinner. Or maybe I have yet again hit the nail on the head.
 
I love Milner but I’d put him in your second group. Salah gets in the top group.
 
I think its pretty darn close to being a legend.
Won loads of trophies, CL and PL, great influence on and off the field and always plays with his heart on his sleeve.

Its close!
 
Wish we signed Milner earlier. What a player he's been. Legend? Close.
He's been on the sidelines too many times to be a legend, imo.
Legend status is reserved for starters in my book.
Also players who've directly impacted major wins.
Longevity isn't enough.

Question is, is Wijnaldum a legend? He kinda ticks every box. Klopp called him a legend.
 
Nah not even close but that’s because we are absolutely stacked in that department.

Still our best ever free transfer though.
 
Wish we signed Milner earlier. What a player he's been. Legend? Close.
He's been on the sidelines too many times to be a legend, imo.
Legend status is reserved for starters in my book.
Also players who've directly impacted major wins.
Longevity isn't enough.

Question is, is Wijnaldum a legend? He kinda ticks every box. Klopp called him a legend.

He’s averaged over 40 games per season though.
 
Leaning more towards yes.

A leader a machine a workhouse who plays anywhere when asked at any given time. He’s our Mr Reliable from the spot too.
 
He's been instrumental in us winning our first league title in 30 years and he's played in every position, sat on the the bench, never moaned, worn the armband and been a perfect role model to the kids

Of course he's a legend.
 
Chatting with my Chelsea-supporting mate this weekend, and I asked him, "who from our current squad would you consider a cunt?"
"Milner" was his immediate reply. "The rest of the squad is quite likable."

That makes Milner a fucking ledge in my book.
 
To be a legend you need to 'live on' after your playing days end. The kop need to chant/sing about you. Stevie & Kenny are regularly sung in most games, you need a song for greatness. Milner doesn't have a song.

We need him to have a song if he's going to be a legend. Even loius has a song!
 
Chatting with my Chelsea-supporting mate this weekend, and I asked him, "who from our current squad would you consider a cunt?"
"Milner" was his immediate reply. "The rest of the squad is quite likable."

That makes Milner a fucking ledge in my book.
You love a 'cunt' don't you ?
 
He's been instrumental in us winning our first league title in 30 years and he's played in every position, sat on the the bench, never moaned, worn the armband and been a perfect role model to the kids

Of course he's a legend.
Quite right.

The guy is a flat out legend. We are extremely fortunate to have had him wear the red colours. He's worn them with pride and honesty. He's been a major part of the success we have enjoyed in the last 6 years or so. His heart might lie in Yorkshire but his soul is full to the brim with Scouse. He genuinely loves the reds and those with any sense truly love him right back.
 
If you apply the sort of logic that says the likes of Gerrard, Kenny and Souness are legends and that's the standard. Then it's a no, as he's not been anything like as instrumental for us. And there's no real argument against that. If you lean towards the idea that anybody who wins a trophy and seems like a decent person is a club legend then I guess he probably is.

What's surprising is how many people class Milner as a legend, that didn't for Wjinaldum. Wjinaldum was a far bigger part of our success under Klopp than Milner has been.
 
Milner didn't fuck about and lie about his contract situation and then isn't a money grabbing mercenary cunt who fucked off to a oil rich shambles of a club after whoring himself to fucking Barcelona of all clubs for what felt like a year.
 
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We weren't arsed about keeping him, if we were we could have wrapped up his contract ages ago. Where he goes after that is up to him.
 
What is the defintion of a legend? This could be as interesting as the annual "what does world class mean?" debate. I like the song definition the best.

I wonder if Trent should move to midfield to secure legendary world class status
 
To be a legend you need to 'live on' after your playing days end. The kop need to chant/sing about you. Stevie & Kenny are regularly sung in most games, you need a song for greatness. Milner doesn't have a song.

We need him to have a song if he's going to be a legend. Even loius has a song!

We've got more than two legends
 
I'd say a legend is a player that you talk of fondly for years after they're gone. We've loads of them, and Milner is one.
 
He’s averaged over 40 games per season though.
Milner has been a great role player for us.
OK he's averaging 40 games per season, but can you actually say that we wouldn't have won the league or the CL without him?
Would we have won those trophies without Wijnaldum? Fabinho? Allison? Salah? Mane?
Another reason I have trouble calling him a "Liverpool legend" is because he's affiliated with so many other Premier League teams, Leeds, Newcastle, Villa and Man C.
Like @darkstarexodus said he's a Premier League legend and a Liverpool great in my book.
 
Yeah, thats true. As I said its close. I wouldnt be against either calling him a great or a legend.
Its very close imho.
 
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