Job security - arne

[Judge Jules]

Toilet training must have been a breeze.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Guess it depends a bit on your approach to long-term vs short-term. I'm always in favour of the longer-term approach personally. Plus, I don't actually agree that that team would win us another title. Arsenal are so much stronger this year. We've lost our main creator. We've lost another major dynamo in Diaz. Salah might not have declined as much as he looks like if he were still being accommodated by lots of runners, but for me it's still a stretch to say he'd be scoring at that record rate we needed to justify building the entire attack around him.

I just basically don't agree that a transition is sacrificing that much. If it gets to the point where CL qualification looks difficult then that's a harder question.

We won the league at a canter last season. I don’t think Salah needs to be as good but certainly better than what we are getting right now.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Yeah I know. Just saying his faults are genuine and it's totally valid to be frustrated by them.

Of course they are. He’s one of the worst bear players ever and I would have him in the conversation for our best ever. He’s doing the hardest thing in football consistency at one of the biggest clubs in the world under immense pressure where he’s own fans don’t appreciate his greatness.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Listen, I hope you're right ... as you were last year.
But it's quite clear you're unable to look at the player outside of a certain prism.
It's like saying Robbie was the 'same' Robbie when he came back under Rafa - same finisher, but slower than you and I!
He's no longer able to beat players - his best assets are a) finishing b) dangerous passes.
As a LWF - he doesn't get enough chances anymore because he can rarely create them himself with his pace (i.e. making a run, or beating players) ... that means he has to play central (i.e. we cannot play the way we did last year). Playing him central means a shift from a 4-3-3 to a 4-3-1-2 as we're not going to keep Isak and Ekitike on the bench the whole year etc.
It's a clusterfuck and yes, I'm down on Arne but it's not because the sky is falling, it's just what I'm seeing and I'm yet to see *anything* that leads me to believe he can undo what is happening. I hope he can, I really do as I actually like him but I just don't see it.
That's not being fickle, that's being an honest fan who's not blinded by "the red spectacles" ... Granted sports is "what have you done for me lately," but my only concern is can he fix it ...

Fowler ruined his own career and if he had the professionalism, resilience and discipline of Salah he’d have come back the same player. The fat fuck. I’ll always hate that he wastes his talents.

Salah is of course slowly declining but it’s been accelerated by the tactics and playing style.

 

[Dreambeliever]

Replacing Salahs contribution would be easier if he wasn't here.

It would be he is here so that’s not applicable atm.

 

[Dreambeliever]

This is what you aren't getting.

1) we can't revert back. We don't have the same players.
2) for a big chunk of last season the tactics weren't good enough either, this isn't just this season

I think we do or at least good enough replacements

Hugo is an upgrade on Nunez
Gakpo can do a passable job for Diaz and so can Rio or Chiesa

Bradley is an improvement as Trent was awful or injured mostly.

Everyone else is the same.

 

[Dreambeliever]

I'll always love Salah but surely the biggest reward of being a legend is being able to sit on the bench 80% of the time when you're 35, collect a paycheque, and enjoy the trophies that Szoboszlai and Ekitike are winning for you?

You don’t understand what drives the very best players if you think this is even remotely true.

 

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Its not a creative writing forum. The style is not conversational I admit, but it has written a coherent piece text addressing the concerns I have with the squad and how I see we fix those issues

 

[MomoWASright]

You don’t understand what drives the very best players if you think this is even remotely true.

That’s a problem in a team game.

 

[Mamma Mia]

Its not a creative writing forum. The style is not conversational I admit, but it has written a coherent piece text addressing the concerns I have with the squad and how I see we fix those issues

It would be more interesting if you would post the prompt you used so we could read your thoughts.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Fowler ruined his own career and if he had the professionalism, resilience and discipline of Salah he’d have come back the same player. The fat fuck. I’ll always hate that he wastes his talents.

Salah is of course slowly declining but it’s been accelerated by the tactics and playing style.

Yah Robbie lacked professionalism .. pity as I dont think I've ever seen a more gifted finisher ... he was just out of this world.

 

[tombrown]

Of course they are. He’s one of the worst bear players ever and I would have him in the conversation for our best ever. He’s doing the hardest thing in football consistency at one of the biggest clubs in the world under immense pressure where he’s own fans don’t appreciate his greatness.

 

[Woland]

Suarez and Salah were better finishers than Fowler, and that's just our two latest strikers, never mind the rest of the planet. It's always the rose tinted gigs.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Suarez and Salah were better finishers than Fowler, and that's just our two latest strikers, never mind the rest of the planet. It's always the rose tinted gigs.

Dont think so ... but its ok, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Woland]

I'm guessing Fowler was our striker when you were in your teens. It's like those records you still put on when you're stoned. They weren't better, they just happened as your mind went through a crazy euphoric expansion.

 

[tomasjj]

Suarez and Salah were better finishers than Fowler, and that's just our two latest strikers, never mind the rest of the planet. It's always the rose tinted gigs.

Nah.
Fowler was a more complete and natural finisher, certainly than Salah.
When it is Suarez, it is more even, but I still think Fowler edges Suarez.

 

[jexykrodic]

I'm guessing Fowler was our striker when you were in your teens. It's like those records you still put on when you're stoned. They weren't better, they just happened as your mind went through a crazy euphoric expansion.

Bit like remembering back in the day when my dick was permanently hard and I couldn't leave my missus alone. Now I need erm 'stimulation' and if my missus entered the room in the nude I'd think she'd simply misplaced her housecoat.

If she told me she was leaving now I'd probably just ask her to make me a sandwich beforehand.

 

[Modo]

Nah.
Fowler was a more complete and natural finisher, certainly than Salah.
When it is Suarez, it is more even, but I still think Fowler edges Suarez.

Fowler peaked too early. Best finisher we've ever had, but Suarez was better all round and could create his own chances.
Hate to say it, but if we had a better manager back when Fowler was at his peak his career might have turned out differently.

Unpopular opinion maybe, but I think we ruined both Owen and Fowler by playing them too much.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

I'm guessing Fowler was our striker when you were in your teens. It's like those records you still put on when you're stoned. They weren't better, they just happened as your mind went through a crazy euphoric expansion.

Before I hit my teens actually *but* I rarely watched full games back then ...
I'm not saying SUarez and Salah aren't brilliant - but both just weren't "he was born to score goals" type of finishers IMO ...
THen again, I put Marco Van Basten as one of the best strikers ever - like basically in the same bracket Ronaldo (the real one), so what do I know 🙂

 

[Dreambeliever]

That’s a problem in a team game.

No it’s not. Every successful team has players like that and they are crucial to success.

 

[Woland]

Nah.
Fowler was a more complete and natural finisher, certainly than Salah.
When it is Suarez, it is more even, but I still think Fowler edges Suarez.

It's all subjective and we've all got great memories of these kids breaking through, proving everyone wrong and doing things to other teams they had no right to. It's nice that we can have these memories. I think if anyone is about to enter the chat it's Ekitike but time will tell.

I have found myself quietly arguing with a mirror, full of red wine at three in the morning about whether Dalglish or Maradona was the best player ever, when we all know it's really Messi, even if we don't like the little turd. It's all a moving target, no right, no wrong.

 

[MomoWASright]

No it’s not. Every successful team has players like that and they are crucial to success.

Yes it is. Salah didn’t pass to either Wirtz or Isak vs Man U. What was the end result?

 

[Hyena]

You don’t understand what drives the very best players if you think this is even remotely true.

Obviously they don't love it. That's why Milner and Hendo are at Brighton and Brentford, and Ron and Messi are in Al and LA.

Point is most players don't even get that option. Hit the age bracket and they'll flog you off to the Saudis or release you

 

[LeTallecWiz]

It's all subjective and we've all got great memories of these kids breaking through, proving everyone wrong and doing things to other teams they had no right to. It's nice that we can have these memories. I think if anyone is about to enter the chat it's Ekitike but time will tell.

I have found myself quietly arguing with a mirror, full of red wine at three in the morning about whether Dalglish or Maradona was the best player ever, when we all know it's really Messi, even if we don't like the little turd. It's all a moving target, no right, no wrong.

#1 Messi
#2 Maradona

Not sure I'd put Kenny in the top 10 BUT he'd be #1 for best footy player + human being award.

 

[tomasjj]

That Yamal kid looks special, but it seems Barca are in the process of ruining him.

 

[Modo]

Yes it is. Salah didn’t pass to either Wirtz or Isak vs Man U. What was the end result?

I honestly don't know how some can just brush it aside as if it's nothing. That decision probably cost us the game.

 

[Judge Jules]

Fowler peaked too early. Best finisher we've ever had, but Suarez was better all round and could create his own chances.
Hate to say it, but if we had a better manager back when Fowler was at his peak his career might have turned out differently.

Unpopular opinion maybe, but I think we ruined both Owen and Fowler by playing them too much.

I don't think any manager would have changed Fowler - once a scally, always a scally. What might have helped him more would have been not being around at the same time as McMoneyman. I do think there's a case for what you say about Owen though.