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John O' Shea

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45815.msg1353267#msg1353267 date=1308744043]
Touchy!
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Well you just can't resist the opportunity to stick the knife in, and I know you're just trying to get a bite. Well done. I bit. Now stop fucking moaning about him.
 
Can't believe O'Shea is 30. where does time go.

For what it's worth, i think he's a decent player, nothing fancy, but does a job and has played a massive part in United's big games over the years. In some games he excels and Fergie trusts him.

At 30 though, he'd want to be playing more regularly. It won't be at Liverpool, never happen but for a Newcastle/Everton/Sunderland/Villa, he would be a very good signing imo.
 
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=45815.msg1353384#msg1353384 date=1308761474]
Can't believe O'Shea is 30. where does time go.

For what it's worth, i think he's a decent player, nothing fancy, but does a job and has played a massive part in United's big games over the years. In some games he excels and Fergie trusts him.

At 30 though, he'd want to be playing more regularly. It won't be at Liverpool, never happen but for a Newcastle/Everton/Sunderland/Villa, he would be a very good signing imo.
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Bolton is not far away, or indeed Blackburn

regards
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45815.msg1353267#msg1353267 date=1308744043]
Touchy!
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Well you just can't resist the opportunity to stick the knife in, and I know you're just trying to get a bite. Well done. I bit. Now stop fucking moaning about him.
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I'm not actually trying to get a bite, us signing O'Shea would be an admission we hadn't got a fucking clue what we were trying to do- which was the vibe that Benitez's transfers gave for at least about 2 and a half years.
 
John O'Shea can go fuck himself.

I'm sure he's a really nice person, but not for me at our club.
 
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[quote author=vantage link=topic=45815.msg1353379#msg1353379 date=1308761142]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45815.msg1353267#msg1353267 date=1308744043]
Touchy!
[/quote]
Well you just can't resist the opportunity to stick the knife in, and I know you're just trying to get a bite. Well done. I bit. Now stop fucking moaning about him.
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I'm not actually trying to get a bite, us signing O'Shea would be an admission we hadn't got a fucking clue what we were trying to do- which was the vibe that Benitez's transfers gave for at least about 2 and a half years.
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I don't want O Fucking Shea either. You seem to forget that for the last 2.5 years Rafa had to sell to buy whereas Kenny can spend what he wants, so comparasions are somewhat irrelevant. But like I said, don't let that cloud your memory/anti-Rafa agenda.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45815.msg1353463#msg1353463 date=1308777142]
[quote author=vantage link=topic=45815.msg1353379#msg1353379 date=1308761142]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45815.msg1353267#msg1353267 date=1308744043]
Touchy!
[/quote]
Well you just can't resist the opportunity to stick the knife in, and I know you're just trying to get a bite. Well done. I bit. Now stop fucking moaning about him.
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I'm not actually trying to get a bite, us signing O'Shea would be an admission we hadn't got a fucking clue what we were trying to do- which was the vibe that Benitez's transfers gave for at least about 2 and a half years.
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I don't want O Fucking Shea either. You seem to forget that for the last 2.5 years Rafa had to sell to buy whereas Kenny can spend what he wants, so comparasions are somewhat irrelevant. But like I said, don't let that cloud your memory/anti-Rafa agenda.
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This sell to buy excuse is complete fucking nonsense. Fergie has had to do it since the Glazers took over and did it before then too, he still managed to buy good players every now and again and won the fucking league. Wenger has done it for a decade and never been out of the top four.

Kenny had to sell Torres and Babel to finance moves for Suarez and Carroll = improvement with no net spend. Or sell to buy as you call it. We'll sell to buy this summer too.

The difference between those three and Rafa is immeasurable. He's not half the manager you think he is, he's just a good coach who is able to pull the wool over peoples eyes.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45815.msg1353515#msg1353515 date=1308786617]
Ha! Ross is off his head as usual.
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Very rude of you Jon.
 
John O'Shea will only be good for carrying the cones in training and we already have Sammy doing that! :laugh:
 
John O'shea is fucking shit. ALways has been.
I remember having a massive argument on here about 2 years ago with someone who reckons he was well good and i was off my head to say he was shit.

Luckily for them i cant remember who it was.

*eyeballs the Irish suspiciously*
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45815.msg1353615#msg1353615 date=1308815649]
John O'shea is fucking shit. ALways has been.
I remember having a massive argument on here about 2 years ago with someone who reckons he was well good and i was off my head to say he was shit.

Luckily for them i cant remember who it was.

*eyeballs the Irish suspiciously*
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Pat maybe?
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45815.msg1353615#msg1353615 date=1308815649]
John O'shea is fucking shit. ALways has been.
I remember having a massive argument on here about 2 years ago with someone who reckons he was well good and i was off my head to say he was shit.

Luckily for them i cant remember who it was.

*eyeballs the Irish suspiciously*
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Pat maybe?
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Take the safe option.

Blame it on Paddy.
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45815.msg1353615#msg1353615 date=1308815649]
John O'shea is fucking shit. ALways has been.
I remember having a massive argument on here about 2 years ago with someone who reckons he was well good and i was off my head to say he was shit.

Luckily for them i cant remember who it was.

*eyeballs the Irish suspiciously*
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Pat maybe?
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That would make sense, his love for all things Man U suggests he's the number one suspect.
 
If he is shit then he's extremely lucky! Ten years playing for the top side in the league and how many medals has he got? Must be about 5 league titles for starters.

Not saying we should sign him as he's probably expensive and past his best but a few years ago he would have been an ideal squad player.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45815.msg1353650#msg1353650 date=1308818707]
If he is shit then he's extremely lucky! Ten years playing for the top side in the league and how many medals has he got? Must be about 5 league titles for starters.

Not saying we should sign him as he's probably expensive and past his best but a few years ago he would have been an ideal squad player.
[/quote]Course he's lucky.
He's the noughties Phil Neville, can do a passable job in a number of positions so is kept around to do that and picks up a medal each time Ronaldo, Rooney etc win them the league.
 
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45815.msg1353515#msg1353515 date=1308786617]
Ha! Ross is off his head as usual.
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Very rude of you Jon.
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Typical of you. Everything I posted is factually correct, you can't dispute it so instead decide to make a snide remark.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45815.msg1353669#msg1353669 date=1308819488]
Well that itself would make him a good squad player then wouldn't it Oncy?
[/quote]Given some of the shite we've had then yeah i would have had him in our squad for the past 10 years yeah. But not now.
 
Ross is bang on about Rafa and the 'oh, he had to sell players to buy' bollocks.

People forget that half the time he fucked up in the first place with buys. If he hadn't squandered so much and had spent it well in the first place we wouldn't have ended up in such a position.

Have a look at our team from 5 years ago, it's unrecognisable from the team now. Actually, have a look at the team two seasons later, it was barely recognisable then, because we were constantly buying bit part players and overspending on players that either weren't good enough or just didn't fit the system. The season he bought Dosenna, Riera and Robbie Keane (and that shit Brazilian keeper for £3m) we should have won the league, we ended up finishing 2nd with the only real positive out of a £40m outlay being a half decent left winger who lasted little more than a season.

Soz, poor Rafa had to sell Alonso (not his fault at all, honest) and Mascherano. I guess it's someone else's fault we bought the shite above, Alberto and a defender that can't defend. I know we balanced the books (blah blah, before someone starts banging on about how well we did in selling players) but we still spent £80m on shite.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=45815.msg1353700#msg1353700 date=1308820422]
Ross is bang on about Rafa and the 'oh, he had to sell players to buy' bollocks.

People forget that half the time he fucked up in the first place with buys. If he hadn't squandered so much and had spent it well in the first place we wouldn't have ended up in such a position.

Have a look at our team from 5 years ago, it's unrecognisable from the team now. Actually, have a look at the team two seasons later, it was barely recognisable then, because we were constantly buying bit part players and overspending on players that either weren't good enough or just didn't fit the system. The season he bought Dosenna, Riera and Robbie Keane (and that shit Brazilian keeper for £3m) we should have won the league, we ended up finishing 2nd with the only real positive out of a £40m outlay being a half decent left winger who lasted little more than a season.

Soz, poor Rafa had to sell Alonso (not his fault at all, honest) and Mascherano. I guess it's someone else's fault we bought the shite above, Alberto and a defender that can't defend. I know we balanced the books (blah blah, before someone starts banging on about how well we did in selling players) but we still spent £80m on shite.
[/quote]STOP FUCKING EDITING THIS!!!
 
Agree totally Mark

And worse still that practice of moving players on quickly has been made out to be a positive trait! Well it certainly isn't positive when he was doing it every single year, losing little bits of cash here and there along the way.

It can be argued that he made improvements but certainly in the latter part of his time with us we stood still at best.
 
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45815.msg1353515#msg1353515 date=1308786617]
Ha! Ross is off his head as usual.
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Very rude of you Jon.
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Typical of you. Everything I posted is factually correct, you can't dispute it so instead decide to make a snide remark.
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I just get fed up with the anti-Rafa agenda. How many trophies has Wenger won in the last 5 years Ross?
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=45815.msg1353720#msg1353720 date=1308821033]
Agree totally Mark

And worse still that practice of moving players on quickly has been made out to be a positive trait! Well it certainly isn't positive when he was doing it every single year, losing little bits of cash here and there along the way.

It can be argued that he made improvements but certainly in the latter part of his time with us we stood still at best.
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It's also worth mentioning that in actively looking to sell players you often get stung in Golden Handshakes, giving the player a healthy wad of cash to pay up part of their remaining contract. Grrrrr....

(lol @ Oncy)
 
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45815.msg1353515#msg1353515 date=1308786617]
Ha! Ross is off his head as usual.
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Very rude of you Jon.
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Typical of you. Everything I posted is factually correct, you can't dispute it so instead decide to make a snide remark.
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I just get fed up with the anti-Rafa agenda. How many trophies has Wenger won in the last 5 years Ross?
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Rafa isn't near as bad as Ross can make out at times, but he does have a fair point Vant, his record in the transfer market is too often papered over on here as him being a victim of tight spending. He was pretty instrumental in how things ended up, because if he'd spent well in the first place and capitalised on us being in a position of strength, we wouldn't have needed to constantly try to over spend (or find gems) to play catch up.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=45815.msg1353660#msg1353660 date=1308819120]
[quote author=vantage link=topic=45815.msg1353600#msg1353600 date=1308814098]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=45815.msg1353515#msg1353515 date=1308786617]
Ha! Ross is off his head as usual.
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Very rude of you Jon.
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Typical of you. Everything I posted is factually correct, you can't dispute it so instead decide to make a snide remark.
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I just get fed up with the anti-Rafa agenda. How many trophies has Wenger won in the last 5 years Ross?
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If Benitez had won us a few league titles and kept us in the top four despite financial restraints (which Arsenal have also had on account of their new stadium) I would probably be more sympathetic.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45815.msg1353615#msg1353615 date=1308815649]
John O'shea is fucking shit. ALways has been.
I remember having a massive argument on here about 2 years ago with someone who reckons he was well good and i was off my head to say he was shit.

Luckily for them i cant remember who it was.

*eyeballs the Irish suspiciously*
[/quote] I seem to remember you having that argument all right.
You got your ass kicked as I recall.
The other bloke, whoever he was, reasonably argued that while O Shea wasn't brilliant in any shape or form he was a decent enough utility player and this was evidenced by his regular appearances with a title winning team.
You off course with your penchant for hyperbole argued that he was totally shit.

At least you are being consistent with your arguments for once 😉
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45815.msg1353615#msg1353615 date=1308815649]
John O'shea is fucking shit. ALways has been.
I remember having a massive argument on here about 2 years ago with someone who reckons he was well good and i was off my head to say he was shit.

Luckily for them i cant remember who it was.

*eyeballs the Irish suspiciously*
[/quote] I seem to remember you having that argument all right.
You got your ass kicked as I recall.
The other bloke, whoever he was, reasonably argued that while O Shea wasn't brilliant in any shape or form he was a decent enough utility player and this was evidenced by his regular appearances with a title winning team.
You off course with your penchant for hyperbole argued that he was totally shit.

At least you are being consistent with your arguments for once 😉
[/quote]Oh yeah...it was you. I knew it was someone Irish.
He's fucking shit. And i believe that since that argument took place (about 2 years ago) he has played about 20 games.
 
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