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Barca never paid us for coutinho.
Barca never paid us for coutinho.
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Loving the insight @Beamrider
I think it’s more about planned change and what the market is looking like.
LW isn’t too dissimilar to CF - not amazing in who’s likely available.
Sounds like we might have an eye on Fofana, buts he’s a bit young and still developing - he hits about the right age where we swoop in 2 years time - which would also be the age we’re Doak would be expected to be pushing for a regular starting place if we decided to stick with him.
The other current names often mentioned, Williams, Simon’s, Gordon, Mitoma - all might work out, but are either risky or costly.
I don’t think letting a player run down a contract and leave for free is necessarily a sign we’re fucked or short term at all.
The success of selling him is entirely dependent on who replaces him and what they contribute. Whatever the transfer fee is or isn’t is just a number that we ultimately want to be high enough to create actual positive change or the argument is the status quo is better and we see what the market is like in one or 2 years.
I’d say we might earmark changing Diaz next year, if the plan was to buy Wirtz and replace Darwin this year, given Salah & Virgil could possibly be the ones needing replaced in 2 years time.
There’s all sorts of potential strategies and ideas at play here - this is probably an example of where it is complicated, until such point as it is uncomplicated by receiving a bid that we’re happy with.
I get the point that the Market Price being whatever anyone is willing to pay, but isn’t that just also like saying that we set the Market Price by whatever price we’re willing to accept - we’re not compelled to accept a bid, even if a player does want to leave.
Unless there’s a release clause… and I mean an actual release clause, not like the one Suarez thought he had.
If there's only one buyer (which there would be if Barca get under his skin) then the price is whatever they will pay, or alternatively you don't do the deal (which was essentially what Ornstein said, and what the player acknowledged).
We can set our price at £1bn if we like. No one is going to pay that. The "market price" is what we can get if we're doing a deal, and when there's only one show in town that price is going to be less than what we want. And let's be fair, it's a game we've played lots of times when we've been the buying club.
If past evidence is to go by then FSG have proved they don't give a shit letting players go for free. But I honestly believe that Diaz - if he don't get the pay rise he wants he will definitely down tools. He is worth a lot more than we are paying him, and the one thing that makes him better than Gakpo is that he don't vanish in games where he is not necessarily at his best - he is a hard worker and often a difference maker.
Replacing him is so difficult - because really this season he has been our main striker, Jotta and Nunez have been very bad, do you think we sell them both this summer ? - we would defo get a striker in, but if Diaz left then his replacement must also be able to play that substitute striker plus give Gakpo a rest and be able to play at LW. Are the players we are linked with able to do that to the same level (or better) than Diaz ?
Yep - get all that - just don’t agree entirely with the premise is going to be less than we want - that depends on how much the other team wants the player.
We’ve seen it time and again where a team sets a ridiculous high price and fleeces someone, because they’ll pay it, even if they’re the only team involved.
Coutinho, Anthony, anyone Brighton has ever sold to Chelsea, Grealish, Enzo Fernandez.
Some mightsay we’re in the process of doing it over Wirtz, etc
I guess what I’m trying to say is, you can set Market Value as a seller if the buyer is desperate enough to want to buy it and you’re disciplined enough to stick to it.
Again though, in most cases it’s framing - if you want to get £75m for a player you either say the price is £75m and refuse to budge or you say price is £100m and “pretend” to give away value by being negotiated down to £75m.
That’s if you’re anywhere near good at negotiating - people that aren’t good at negotiate agree to sell under what they wanted or pay more than they could have gotten the deal at and quite often the people that think they’re really good at negotiating are the ones that aren’t.
I mean, that’s over-simplified but it’s tactics you might employ.
I feel like we’re happy to be fleeced sometimes - like we probably could have got more for Kelleher, but I think we’ve also done the right thing by him and probably solidified our position as a club that’s fair and reasonable to do business with.
The left side isnt his best position though? Don't think thats an option.
It's come to something when I read all of @Beamrider's posts and skip over @StevieM's
I don't think that is right in all honesty. His value is the market fee and what we set after importance to the team and performance wise. Thats why yesterdays statement is good for us. The rumored 45 mill valuation Barca have on him is just not realistic and we'd rather keep him. So its either stump up the cash for Barca, move to Saudi or stay at the club.
Yesterdays interview proved that Diaz is happy staying on his current contract so any move this summer is dependent on us getting paid close to what we want. Barca can do all they like but wont get the player unless they pay close to his valuation.
I agree which is why I didn’t say it.
Thing is - we do t know what’s in his contract.
That’s his rumoured wage - it’s not necessarily accurate and even if it is, we don’t know whether that’s a base with a highly incentivised achievable bonus scheme.
What we do know, is Diaz has indicated he very fucking happy and well looked after at Liverpool and isn’t likely to “down tools”.
No, you said we would get worse.
Not sure what's he playing at. First it was his dad for a couple of years, openly whoring themselves to Barca.
Then it was that Barca's director or whoever openly name dropping him.
So he followed that up with a cryptic post on X, and his gf took it 1 step further and blatantly said goodbye.
Are we to think Diaz himself has nothing to do with all these "noises" and all he wants to do is to stay even without a new contract? Or is he just after a big payday with whoever by self manufacturing a bidding war of sorts?
