Line up for Sunderland.

[Vlads Quiff]

You see for all our huffing and puffing over Dirk we don't really appreciate him that much do we, certainly over the last couple of seasons,
and remember in theses figure he is almost an ever present
Last Season
1. Gerrard......................7 MOM........5 2nd..........1 3rd..................................51 points
2. Reina.........................4 MOM........2 2nd..........5 3rd.........19 Bonus........50 points
3. Lucas.........................4 MOM........6 2nd.........9 3rd...................................47 points
4. Meireles.....................5 MOM........4 2nd.........5 3rd..................................42 points
5. Suarez........................6 MOM........1 2nd..........1 3rd....................................34 points
6. Johnson....................2 MOM.........6 2nd.........2 3rd...................................30 points
7. Kyrgiakos..................5 MOM........1 2nd...........1 3rd.................................29 points
8. Torres........................3 MOM.........3 2nd.........3 3rd...................................27 points
9. Kelly...........................1 MOM........5 2nd..........4 3rd...................................24 points
10.Kuyt...........................3 MOM........2 2nd.........2 3rd......................................23 points

The season before

1. Mascherano..................10 first..........9 second.......7 third........84 points
2. Reina..............................9 first...........2 second........6 third........57 points
3. Lucas.............................4 first...........8 second.......5 third.........49 points
4. Torres............................6 first...........2 second.......4 third..........40 points
5. Johnson.........................5 first...........4 second.......1 third.........38 points
6. Gerrard..........................3 first...........6 second.......3 third..........36 points
7. Kuyt.................................4 first...........2 second.......1 third.........27 points

and the one before that, strangely enough when you and I both agreed 😉

1. Alonso.................9 first...6 second...10 third...............73 points
2. Gerrard................10 first...6 second...3 third................71 points
3. Kuyt....................4 first...4 second...7 third.................39 points
4. Torres.................5 first...4 second...1 third.................38 points
5. Reina..................4 first...5 second...2 third.................37 points
6. Benayoun..............3 first...6 second...1 third................34 points
7. Mascherano...........3 first...4 second...3 third................30 points
8. Carragher.............4 first...2 second...1 third.................27 points
9. Hyypia..................4 first...1 second...4 third................27 points
10.Riera.....................5 second...2 third...........................17 points

 

[mark1975]

Some players are just taken for granted Vlad, Carra is the perfect example of that and I've always likened deadly to our Jamie.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46026.msg1362674#msg1362674 date=1310261383]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46026.msg1362671#msg1362671 date=1310261226]
Well yes two good managers have, and Dalglish with very few other options has, but let's see what happens next season.
I never tire of saying this but I feel I need to say it again. I think Dirk is a fantastic chap, and would not want to see him go, but I really do believe he is very limited, he make up for those shortcomings for significant periods by sheer application and hard work, but sadly that is not enough - if we are serious about progression.

regards
[/quote]I do kind of agree. But maybe not to the same degree. I think he has runs of form where he goes missing and the problem is we havnt had the chance to drop him during those periods. But i disagree that he isnt worthy of a first team place.
And i dont think you should discount his goals as mostly penalties. Gerrard is our penalty taker and Kuyt although taking some has scored a bunch of goals too.
[/quote]

I knew I could start to win you round 😉

I fully agree he has been well worthy of first team selection, as has Lucas by the way , last season by way of no real competition. I think next season there is real competition and as I said if he and Lucas are indeed automatic choices with the people we have already brought in and are likely to bring in, we really are in deep do's as we just have not improved or progressed,

regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46026.msg1362691#msg1362691 date=1310262240]
Some players are just taken for granted Vlad, Carra is the perfect example of that and I've always likened deadly to our Jamie.
[/quote]

I wouldn't say that Carra has ever been taken for granted Mark

When he has been at the top of his game that has been acknowledged, sadly for the last three seasons he has declined and that has been accepted

regards

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46026.msg1362687#msg1362687 date=1310261968]
You see for all our huffing and puffing over Dirk we don't really appreciate him that much do we, certainly over the last couple of seasons,
and remember in theses figure he is almost an ever present
Last Season
1. Gerrard......................7 MOM........5 2nd..........1 3rd..................................51 points
2. Reina.........................4 MOM........2 2nd..........5 3rd.........19 Bonus........50 points
3. Lucas.........................4 MOM........6 2nd.........9 3rd...................................47 points
4. Meireles.....................5 MOM........4 2nd.........5 3rd..................................42 points
5. Suarez........................6 MOM........1 2nd..........1 3rd....................................34 points
6. Johnson....................2 MOM.........6 2nd.........2 3rd...................................30 points
7. Kyrgiakos..................5 MOM........1 2nd...........1 3rd.................................29 points
8. Torres........................3 MOM.........3 2nd.........3 3rd...................................27 points
9. Kelly...........................1 MOM........5 2nd..........4 3rd...................................24 points
10.Kuyt...........................3 MOM........2 2nd.........2 3rd......................................23 points

The season before

1. Mascherano..................10 first..........9 second.......7 third........84 points
2. Reina..............................9 first...........2 second........6 third........57 points
3. Lucas.............................4 first...........8 second.......5 third.........49 points
4. Torres............................6 first...........2 second.......4 third..........40 points
5. Johnson.........................5 first...........4 second.......1 third.........38 points
6. Gerrard..........................3 first...........6 second.......3 third..........36 points
7. Kuyt.................................4 first...........2 second.......1 third.........27 points

and the one before that, strangely enough when you and I both agreed 😉

1. Alonso.................9 first...6 second...10 third...............73 points
2. Gerrard................10 first...6 second...3 third................71 points
3. Kuyt....................4 first...4 second...7 third.................39 points
4. Torres.................5 first...4 second...1 third.................38 points
5. Reina..................4 first...5 second...2 third.................37 points
6. Benayoun..............3 first...6 second...1 third................34 points
7. Mascherano...........3 first...4 second...3 third................30 points
8. Carragher.............4 first...2 second...1 third.................27 points
9. Hyypia..................4 first...1 second...4 third................27 points
10.Riera.....................5 second...2 third...........................17 points
[/quote]Football fans are idiots Vlad.
Ive seen two hat tricks scored last season and that player not given man of the match by most. Most...MOST of this and all other Liverpool (and football) websites is populated by unbelievable morons.

Also i notice you stopped just before the seasons when Deadders was first on the list.

 

[Ryan]

Aaah the annual pre-season Dirk bashing.

It generally ends when the football actually starts, and he makes the same people look foolish. Again. And again. And again.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46026.msg1362723#msg1362723 date=1310288246]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46026.msg1362687#msg1362687 date=1310261968]
You see for all our huffing and puffing over Dirk we don't really appreciate him that much do we, certainly over the last couple of seasons,
and remember in theses figure he is almost an ever present
Last Season
1. Gerrard......................7 MOM........5 2nd..........1 3rd..................................51 points
2. Reina.........................4 MOM........2 2nd..........5 3rd.........19 Bonus........50 points
3. Lucas.........................4 MOM........6 2nd.........9 3rd...................................47 points
4. Meireles.....................5 MOM........4 2nd.........5 3rd..................................42 points
5. Suarez........................6 MOM........1 2nd..........1 3rd....................................34 points
6. Johnson....................2 MOM.........6 2nd.........2 3rd...................................30 points
7. Kyrgiakos..................5 MOM........1 2nd...........1 3rd.................................29 points
8. Torres........................3 MOM.........3 2nd.........3 3rd...................................27 points
9. Kelly...........................1 MOM........5 2nd..........4 3rd...................................24 points
10.Kuyt...........................3 MOM........2 2nd.........2 3rd......................................23 points

The season before

1. Mascherano..................10 first..........9 second.......7 third........84 points
2. Reina..............................9 first...........2 second........6 third........57 points
3. Lucas.............................4 first...........8 second.......5 third.........49 points
4. Torres............................6 first...........2 second.......4 third..........40 points
5. Johnson.........................5 first...........4 second.......1 third.........38 points
6. Gerrard..........................3 first...........6 second.......3 third..........36 points
7. Kuyt.................................4 first...........2 second.......1 third.........27 points

and the one before that, strangely enough when you and I both agreed 😉

1. Alonso.................9 first...6 second...10 third...............73 points
2. Gerrard................10 first...6 second...3 third................71 points
3. Kuyt....................4 first...4 second...7 third.................39 points
4. Torres.................5 first...4 second...1 third.................38 points
5. Reina..................4 first...5 second...2 third.................37 points
6. Benayoun..............3 first...6 second...1 third................34 points
7. Mascherano...........3 first...4 second...3 third................30 points
8. Carragher.............4 first...2 second...1 third.................27 points
9. Hyypia..................4 first...1 second...4 third................27 points
10.Riera.....................5 second...2 third...........................17 points
[/quote]Football fans are idiots Vlad.
Ive seen two hat tricks scored last season and that player not given man of the match by most. Most...MOST of this and all other Liverpool (and football) websites is populated by unbelievable morons.

Also i notice you stopped just before the seasons when Deadders was first on the list.
[/quote]

Hahaha. I stopped whilst I could still see through the haze of a couple of bottles and a bit of red at 3 in the morning. I am quite proud that I was as lucid as I was, but am a little apologetic for the smart arse tone.

I think it only went back the season before that and he was third.

regards

 

[KopKing]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46026.msg1362740#msg1362740 date=1310292781]
Aaah the annual pre-season Dirk bashing.

It generally ends when the football actually starts, and he makes the same people look foolish. Again. And again. And again.
[/quote]

Yup.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Dirk's the fucking man.

 

[Squiggles]

Dirk is getting better and better, IMO.


Age will not weaken him.

 

[Cerberus]

BUMP!




--------------Reina

Kelly----Carra--Agger--Johnson

-------------Adam

------Gerrard-----Ming

---Kuyt----Carroll---Downing


Subs: Gulacsi, Flanagan, Skrtel, Lucas, Maxi, Cole, Suarez


Lucas and Suarez will probably be fucked after the Copa America.

2-0

Carroll and the Dirkalizer

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46026.msg1362740#msg1362740 date=1310292781]
Aaah the annual pre-season Dirk bashing.

It generally ends when the football actually starts, and he makes the same people look foolish. Again. And again. And again.
[/quote]

before going on his usual two month slump, only this time henderson is waiting in the wings to usurp his place.

 

[J Macleod]

[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=46026.msg1365094#msg1365094 date=1310650346]
BUMP!




--------------Reina

Kelly----Carra--Agger--Johnson

-------------Adam

------Gerrard-----Ming

---Kuyt----Carroll---Downing


Subs: Gulacsi, Flanagan, Skrtel, Lucas, Maxi, Cole, Suarez


Lucas and Suarez will probably be fucked after the Copa America.

2-0

Carroll and the Dirkalizer
[/quote]

No room for Henderson against his old club? Not even on the bench?

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46026.msg1365096#msg1365096 date=1310650525]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46026.msg1362740#msg1362740 date=1310292781]
Aaah the annual pre-season Dirk bashing.

It generally ends when the football actually starts, and he makes the same people look foolish. Again. And again. And again.
[/quote]

before going on his usual two month slump, only this time henderson is waiting in the wings to usurp his place.
[/quote]

I don't expect them to be in direct competition for places. A pound to a penny says Deadly will be used predominantly as a striker from here on.

 

[Cerberus]

Good point! Options options everywhere! Ok swap maxi for hendo.

 

[spider-Neil]

with regards to the s'land game, if gerrard isn't fully fit then don't risk him. with lucas, ming, aqua, adam, spearing, shevley, there is no need to rush the captain back into action which may aggravate his injury.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46026.msg1365096#msg1365096 date=1310650525]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46026.msg1362740#msg1362740 date=1310292781]
Aaah the annual pre-season Dirk bashing.

It generally ends when the football actually starts, and he makes the same people look foolish. Again. And again. And again.
[/quote]

before going on his usual two month slump, only this time henderson is waiting in the wings to usurp his place.
[/quote]

I couldn't be bothered fucking replying Spidey

regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=J Macleod link=topic=46026.msg1365100#msg1365100 date=1310651107]
[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=46026.msg1365094#msg1365094 date=1310650346]
BUMP!




--------------Reina

Kelly----Carra--Agger--Johnson

-------------Adam

------Gerrard-----Ming

---Kuyt----Carroll---Downing


Subs: Gulacsi, Flanagan, Skrtel, Lucas, Maxi, Cole, Suarez


Lucas and Suarez will probably be fucked after the Copa America.

2-0

Carroll and the Dirkalizer
[/quote]

No room for Henderson against his old club? Not even on the bench?
[/quote]

Exactly so, I just can't see Dirk holding off Henderson on the right

regards

 

[Judge Jules]

You still think Deadly will be regarded primarily as a RW then, Vlad?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46026.msg1365119#msg1365119 date=1310653700]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=46026.msg1365096#msg1365096 date=1310650525]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46026.msg1362740#msg1362740 date=1310292781]
Aaah the annual pre-season Dirk bashing.

It generally ends when the football actually starts, and he makes the same people look foolish. Again. And again. And again.
[/quote]

before going on his usual two month slump, only this time henderson is waiting in the wings to usurp his place.
[/quote]

I couldn't be bothered fucking replying Spidey

regards
[/quote]

heh heh 🙂

dirk is very good and an asset, lets just agree that if dirk 'does' have a dip in form we now have better options to step in and pull up the slack.

 

[Hansern]

Depending on who is fit after the Copa, this is my team;

Reina

Kelly. Carra. Skrtel. Johnson

Gerrard. Lucas. Adam


Kuyt. Carroll. Downing

If suarez is fit he starts for kuyt. Im guessing a new lb will be in there aswell.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46026.msg1361085#msg1361085 date=1310001308]
-------------------------Reina-----------------------------
Kelly----------Agger-------------Carragher-------Johnson
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------Lucas----------------------------
----------------Gerrard---------Meireles-----------------
Kuyt-------------------------------------------------Maxi
-------------------------Suarez--------------------------

Henderson and Adam dont improve the first team.
Good bench though - Skrtel, Aquilani, Carroll, Adam, Henderson, Cole, Downing
[/quote]

 

[MaBigTip]

Really? You aren't going to swap Downing in for Maxi, really?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Shelvey link=topic=46026.msg1365229#msg1365229 date=1310662053]
Really? You aren't going to swap Downing in for Maxi, really?
[/quote]Yah.

Im being 'different'

 

[gene hughes]

...............................Reina

...........Carragher.........Skrtel............Agger........

Johnson..........Gerrard......Adam...............Downing

....................Kuyt..................Suarez

.................................Carroll

 

[ArneSlot4PM]

You're just making pretty shapes.

 

[redsar]

Provided Gerrard still isn't ready, I'd go with...

---------------- Reina ----------------

Johnson --- Carra --- Agger --- Aurelio

---------- Lucas ------ Adam ----------

--- Kuyt ---- Suarez ---- Downing ---

---------------- Carroll ----------------


Subs: Jones, Skrtel, Flannagan, Kelly, Maxi, Meireles, Henderson

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46026.msg1365138#msg1365138 date=1310654412]
You still think Deadly will be regarded primarily as a RW then, Vlad?
[/quote]

No, i don't know why people keep puttingnhim in there in preference to Henderso.
I think his main role is going to be supporting the forwards, and i don't think that will be every game. I can't see Lucas featuring that much either. Some may say that is an opinion based on deep seated prejudice, it' not, i just think its reality, I may be wrong of course

Regards

 

[Buddha]

----------------Reina---------------

Kelly-----Carra------Agger-------Johnson

Gerrard------Lucas-----Adam------Downing

------------Carroll---------Suarez-----------

I expect we'll bring at least two more in though (LB and CB?)

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46026.msg1365264#msg1365264 date=1310666855]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46026.msg1365138#msg1365138 date=1310654412]
You still think Deadly will be regarded primarily as a RW then, Vlad?
[/quote]

No, i don't know why people keep puttingnhim in there in preference to Henderso.
I think his main role is going to be supporting the forwards, and i don't think that will be every game. I can't see Lucas featuring that much either. Some may say that is an opinion based on deep seated prejudice, it' not, i just think its reality, I may be wrong of course

Regards
[/quote]

I agree with you, vlad. however, I suspect kuyt and lucas to be picked more often than not.